Flashplayer not working on fresh installation

Eraph · 2016-05-11 22:28:36

johnraff wrote:

...or figure out how to use html5.

Does this mark the post as solved? [/cheeky]

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hhh · 2016-05-12 01:11:40

Eraph wrote:

Does this mark the post as solved? [/cheeky]

No it doesn't.

I recommend we remove Chrome from our install menu (no 32 bit support) and make all flash/pepperflash support opt-in only via the welcome script or the user.

johnraff · 2016-05-12 01:14:45

hhh wrote:

I recommend we remove Chrome from our install menu (no 32 bit support) and make all flash/pepperflash support opt-in only via the welcome script or the user.

This is the current situation.

Chrome is no longer offered for 32bit users, and flash has been opt-in for quite some time...

hhh · 2016-05-12 01:22:23

Sweet! I didn't realize that Chrome removal had already been committed.

johnraff · 2016-05-12 01:43:03

It came up while you were in the middle of iso-building so maybe forgot this: https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic … 368#p25368

brack11 · 2016-05-14 15:14:10

isnt there simpler ways to return to adobe flash on 32 bit laptop?

johnraff · 2016-05-17 08:28:50

In view of pepperflash's key change issue, and support for 32bit systems ending, along with the likelihood of flashplugin-nonfree soon being abandoned, shall we just drop that "flash" page from bl-welcome for now, and encourage Firefox users to try html5?

damo · 2016-05-17 09:11:32

^ I just did a fresh install, and chose the "Adobe" option for flash - everything plays OK.

Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but HTML5 is not as user-friendly as Flash, eg often there are no play controls, the player window may be waaay too big. And BBC news items are still using Flash AFAICS, although their iPlayer back catalogue uses HTML5.

I foresee a lot of unhappy people if there is no easy Flash available - it would be a deal-breaker for many I reckon.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2016-05-17 09:18:17

johnraff wrote:

pepperflash's key change issue

I think that has been resolved already, or will be soon.

Unpleasant as it may be, Flash is essential for many users and should be left as an option IMO.

Also, HTML5 is more resource-intensive than FlashPlayer as the former cannot use hardware acceleration under GNU/Linux.

johnraff · 2016-05-18 01:54:13

Fair enough. My testing of html5 consisted of disabling the flash plugin on Firefox and checking out a video on YouTube. It seemed to play OK...

But we'll still have to drop the offer to install pepperflash on 32bit systems.
How much longer is flashplugin-nonfree likely to be usable? A warning might have to be added there.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2016-05-18 07:10:33

I think we should simply suggest installing Google Chrome Stable if FlashPlayer is needed.

Unfortunately, the pepperflashplugin-nonfree package still won't install from the live environment and even if it's fixed this may happen again.

On the other hand, Google Chrome Stable will install from the menu entry at the moment and Flash works and is up to date:

Chrom{e,ium+pepperflashplugin-nonfree} is more secure than Firefox+browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash thanks the the SUID sandbox offered unprivileged namespaces & seccomp-bpf sandbox used by the former so it should be the preferred option anyway.

EDIT: SUID is old and crusty, apparently.

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ciretto · 2016-05-19 14:49:14

Ok it's Thursday May 19th 2016 and I've finished BL-hydrogen amd64 installation. Same nightmare here.

Here's my solution for all Bun-Banger out there after bl-welcome finished and still no YouTube joy :

1) sudo apt-get purge flashplugin-nonfree or sudo apt-get purge pepperflashplugin-nonfree
2) sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
3) sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree

AAA : Now sudo su otherwise you got troubles and :
4)#update-alternatives --auto flash-mozilla.so
5)#update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so
HERE CHOOSE NUMBER "2"

If no luck then :
6)sudo apt-get install chromium
and if now for some unexplicable reason you got VIDEO but NO AUDIO :
sudo su
7)#alsactl init

WISH YOU MY BEST BUN-BANGIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN !!!

Ciro

johnraff · 2016-05-20 01:04:12

ciretto wrote:

2) sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
3) sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree

flashplayer-mozilla is only available from the deb.multimedia repositories, and conflicts with flashplugin-nonfree.

johnraff · 2016-05-20 01:07:39

damo wrote:

I foresee a lot of unhappy people if there is no easy Flash available - it would be a deal-breaker for many I reckon.

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

I think we should simply suggest installing Google Chrome Stable if FlashPlayer is needed.

So we no longer offer flash for Firefox/Iceweasel?
And we have no flash at all for 32bit systems?

damo · 2016-05-20 03:01:25

johnraff wrote:

...
So we no longer offer flash for Firefox/Iceweasel?
And we have no flash at all for 32bit systems?

Can we assume that the key problem will be fixed upstream soon, like it was last time - in which case nothing needs changing?

johnraff · 2016-05-20 03:52:15

The Google stuff is only available for 64bit now, so the offer to install pepperflash will have to be disabled in bl-welcome for 32bit systems, just as google-chrome was from the network pipemenu.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2016-05-20 06:40:15

johnraff wrote:

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
I think we should simply suggest installing Google Chrome Stable if FlashPlayer is needed.
So we no longer offer flash for Firefox/Iceweasel?
And we have no flash at all for 32bit systems?

I think Google Chrome Stable is the best option -- it's the most secure and it's also the only one that is pretty much guaranteed to be up to date.

As we already offer a menu option to install that program (which works now when the repository-based solution doesn't), I think we can drop the pepperflashplugin-nonfree & browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash options and change that section to an offer to install Google Chrome Stable if FlashPlayer is required.

And no, no Flash for 32-bit

johnraff · 2016-05-21 04:33:15

Is flashplugin-nonfree now less secure than it used to be? It was installed by default on #! and still supports 32bit and Firefox.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2016-05-21 08:56:17

johnraff wrote:

Is flashplugin-nonfree now less secure than it used to be?

No, not at all -- it has always been this terrible, 0-day exploits on new FlashPlayer releases are very common indeed.
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For this reason, recommending the use of the latest upstream version (ie, that supplied by Google in Chrome) is the only responsible course of action in my opinion.

EDIT: 32-bit Flash only "works" in respect of the videos playing -- the outdated version means that it is a wide open security hole in any system that uses it.

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johnraff · 2016-05-22 07:34:00

damo wrote:

^ I just did a fresh install, and chose the "Adobe" option for flash - everything plays OK.
...
I foresee a lot of unhappy people if there is no easy Flash available - it would be a deal-breaker for many I reckon.

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

And no, no Flash for 32-bit
...recommending the use of the latest upstream version (ie, that supplied by Google in Chrome) is the only responsible course of action in my opinion.
EDIT: 32-bit Flash only "works" in respect of the videos playing -- the outdated version means that it is a wide open security hole in any system that uses it.

So we have a policy conflict here.

I tend to lean towards Damo's POV to be honest. Unlike the deb-multimedia repos, lack of Flash is something that will affect many many people. Are there any statistics on Linux users' system damage caused by Adobe Flash vulnerabilities?

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