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#21 2016-02-24 05:06:22

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Re: Once Again, The Default Terminal

Since all the BunsenLabs menu, rc.xml entries and scripts call for "x-terminal-emulator" rather than Terminator specifically it really is the easiest thing in the world to install something different and carry on as if nothing had changed, except perhaps for some config tweaking.

The only reason I can think of for changing the default BL install from Terminator to something else is that it is rather big, with a good load of python dependencies, and slow.


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#22 2016-02-24 16:54:38

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Re: Once Again, The Default Terminal

Horizon_Brave wrote:

Is getting rid of Terminator as a default really that critical? To the user who really wants to maximize performance of xterm/terminator, they'll be just fine with downloading their own. Terminator seems to be a good "all around" terminal. For the more power inclined user, it won't hurt them to download and modify their own.  Just my two cents

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#23 2016-02-24 22:35:33

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Re: Once Again, The Default Terminal

Horizon_Brave wrote:

Is getting rid of Terminator as a default really that critical? To the user who really wants to maximize performance of xterm/terminator, they'll be just fine with downloading their own. Terminator seems to be a good "all around" terminal. For the more power inclined user, it won't hurt them to download and modify their own.  Just my two cents

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Terminator is fast enough and featured enough for most of us, familiar, easy to configure, and if necessarily, easily replaced.

Perhaps there's an opportunity here to satisfy everyone - what about a 'Choose your terminal option' in BL Welcome which apt installs your choice and updates debian alternatives?

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#24 2016-02-25 00:48:33

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Re: Once Again, The Default Terminal

brontosaurusrex wrote:

Combo of terminator and urxvt is working for me. That would work even better if there is a good way to make copy paste behaviour the same for the two (no, I don't know how).

There are perl extensions available that allow for copy - paste in urxvt with the keyboard; these are just a couple:

copy past urxvt - perl extension

urxvt perls - I think an Arch user wrote these so there are some usage examples on their forum.

I haven't used either of them so can't say if they're actually useful or not - but there are a lot of user contributed perl extension out there for urxvt - would not surprise me if there are a lot available from CPAN.

back on topic - LXTerminal is a decent low-resource terminal with tabbing, --geometry directives, and pseudo transparency. Xfce4-terminal provides the same as well as --drop-down capability.

A question for the BL dev crew though - why was terminator chosen as the default for #! (BL) to begin with? I know it has the tiling capabilities, but does it bring something else to the table?

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#25 2016-02-25 01:20:21

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Re: Once Again, The Default Terminal

PackRat wrote:

A question for the BL dev crew though - why was terminator chosen as the default for #! (BL) to begin with?

Philip (corenominal) chose it when he started #! and that was that.


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#26 2016-02-25 02:34:14

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Re: Once Again, The Default Terminal

^ I think when terminator started out it was fairly lean. Later, it ...just grew...

redcollective wrote:

what about a 'Choose your terminal option' in BL Welcome which apt installs your choice and updates debian alternatives?

Actually, the debian alternatives get updated automatically any time a terminal emulator that satisfies the requirements of x-terminal-emulator is installed. If terminator was then uninstalled, then x-terminal-emulator would be automatically pointed to whatever terminal remained on the system with the highest "priority" number. Users can also manually set x-terminal-emulator to their choice of what's installed, from the BL "System" submenu > "Edit Debian Alternatives".

I'm not sure if a bl-welcome option would add all that much to the functionality that already exists.


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#27 2016-02-25 02:48:46

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Re: Once Again, The Default Terminal

JohnRaff:
Wait... So there's other terminals installed that are "lower priority" on BL? where do I find the listing via command line?


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#28 2016-02-25 03:04:29

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Re: Once Again, The Default Terminal

^

update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator

will show you a list and their priority. Run that command with "sudo" if you want to make a change.

update-alternatives --display x-terminal-emulator

will just show you a list.

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#29 2016-02-25 03:07:19

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Re: Once Again, The Default Terminal

And from the menu: "System -> Edit Debian Alternatives -> x-terminal-emulator"


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#30 2016-02-25 03:40:38

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Re: Once Again, The Default Terminal

PackRat wrote:

^

update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator

will show you a list and their priority. Run that command with "sudo" if you want to make a change.

update-alternatives --display x-terminal-emulator

will just show you a list.

Thanks! Not to de-rail... but is this update-xxx command, exclusive to debian? Why are there specific update commands for certain programs? (update-passwd, update-grub,  update-ca-certificates etc..)
These seem very specific, why are these chosen to have their own update commands?


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#31 2016-02-25 04:31:00

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Re: Once Again, The Default Terminal

Horizon_Brave wrote:

Thanks! Not to de-rail... but is this update-xxx command, exclusive to debian? Why are there specific update commands for certain programs? (update-passwd, update-grub,  update-ca-certificates etc..)
These seem very specific, why are these chosen to have their own update commands?

They aren't the same as $package update wink

man <the command you are interested in>

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#32 2016-02-25 08:33:10

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Re: Once Again, The Default Terminal

Well, the feature of bunsenlabs should could be "nicely preconfigured urxvt (installed by default or not)", not just urxvt preinstalled, otherwise it really doesn't make sense (I thought we are talking about that all the time).

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#33 2016-02-25 10:01:56

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Re: Once Again, The Default Terminal

^+10

brontosaurusrex, you took words form my mouth smile


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#34 2016-02-25 13:10:48

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Re: Once Again, The Default Terminal

What Brontie said; urxvt as the default terminal in something like BunsenLabs only makes sense if it comes well-configured out-of-the-gate.


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#35 2016-02-25 13:24:25

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Re: Once Again, The Default Terminal

hhh wrote:
PackRat wrote:

A question for the BL dev crew though - why was terminator chosen as the default for #! (BL) to begin with?

Philip (corenominal) chose it when he started #! and that was that.

based on this, I would take a more minimalist route and go with a LXTerminal as the default - low resources, fewer dependencies, user friendly with the pull-down menu etc ... Anyone that [power] uses the terminal on a regular basis is going to install their favorite terminal, tmux, and whatever else blows their skirt up.

Then follow the advice of iMBeCil, and brontosaurusrex and set up a the .Xdefaults so that urxvt and xterm are well configured and aesthetically pleasing out of the box.


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#36 2016-02-25 23:21:40

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Re: Once Again, The Default Terminal

redcollective wrote:

Perhaps there's an opportunity here to satisfy everyone - what about a 'Choose your terminal option' in BL Welcome which apt installs your choice and updates debian alternatives?

What would one use as a terminal beforehand then?

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#37 2016-02-25 23:33:31

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Re: Once Again, The Default Terminal

KrunchTime wrote:
redcollective wrote:

Perhaps there's an opportunity here to satisfy everyone - what about a 'Choose your terminal option' in BL Welcome which apt installs your choice and updates debian alternatives?

What would one use as a terminal beforehand then?

I feel like we need a philosophy class to answer this. Sounds like a chicken or the egg question! big_smile


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#38 2016-02-26 00:03:41

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Re: Once Again, The Default Terminal

Xterm - should be installed by default with X and the x11-apps packages.


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#39 2016-02-26 00:44:22

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Re: Once Again, The Default Terminal

Bearing in mind that we're discussing Helium/Stretch, "Difficult to see the future is.  [Wayland] clouds everything."

If Helium is still based on Openbox (and we've been discussing behind the scenes how best to carry on the #! tradition if WMs like Openbox become a thing of the past in a Wayland-based future) then LXTerminal is probably the most likely default terminal.  Same thing if Helium ends up based on LXQt (or whatever LXQt has for a default terminal, if different).


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#40 2016-02-26 01:02:04

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Re: Once Again, The Default Terminal

pvsage wrote:

Bearing in mind that we're discussing Helium/Stretch, "Difficult to see the future is.  [Wayland] clouds everything."

If Helium is still based on Openbox (and we've been discussing behind the scenes how best to carry on the #! tradition if WMs like Openbox become a thing of the past in a Wayland-based future) then LXTerminal is probably the most likely default terminal.  Same thing if Helium ends up based on LXQt (or whatever LXQt has for a default terminal, if different).

I'm not familiar with Wayland, but even if Wayland becomes a thing, why is it necessary to move away from from openbox, if it's currently working as is?


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