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Pretty scrots, everyone.
Trying to install pure Arch onto metal for the first time. Ok, no LIVE ISO (can't check hardware compatibility), fine. Configure WiFi via iwctl, time consuminng for no reason, but fine. The archinstall script wants to overwrite the entire disk, I can't specify a partition? Really? If so, goodbye Arch for me. Not worth the effort to get the same thing as Debian but less stable. Incremental bleeding-edge package updates (with the bugs those always come with) aren't worth it. It's 2025, it shouldn't be this difficult...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd7MlVG2C2o
Get your ass to Mars.
No, he can't sleep on the floor. What do you think I'm yelling for?!!!
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^ BTW, I don't use Arch?
Is that Xfce panel then?
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^ Yes, all xfce4 except for labwc and foot terminal.
You must unlearn what you have learned.
-- yoda
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Sweet. What do you think about it? As a system and as a Wayland system?
No, he can't sleep on the floor. What do you think I'm yelling for?!!!
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Sweet. What do you think about it? As a system and as a Wayland system?
I like it. Xfce Wayland runs smooth and stable on this old HP. The only thing lacking is setting the wallpaper in Wayland. Xfce devs still working on that. Right now using swaybg. Xfce X11 is reliable as ever.
Currently testing OnlyOffice on it as well. Ramps up the CPU a bit, so LibreOffice may be the better option on this machine.
After some test installs for BL carbon, I will probably retire this testing laptop with Xfce and trixie. Office suite to be determined.
You must unlearn what you have learned.
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Been testing XFCE 4.20 on Linux Lite 7 with labwc.
https://dbts-analytics.com/ll7xfce42waylandtoc.html
I hope that labwc becomes the default myself. Wayvnc works excellent as well.
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^ That is a thorough review, thanks! I'll do an install.
Should also note that all the xfce4 plugins that I tried work. The CPU, temps, whisker menu .... The basic ones.
Xfce4 has also implemented a ~/.config/xfce4/labwc location for the labwc files. So you can set up an independent labwc config for xfce4 and keep your ~/.config/labwc configuration for labwc only.
Use the ~/.config/xfce4/labwc/rc.xml file to set key bindings. Xfce4 copies over the default rc.xml.
I created a ~/.config/xfce4/labwc/autostart file for the wallpaper:
sleep 5s && swaybg -i [path to image file] -m fill &
Need a few seconds for xfce4 to finish loading before setting a wallpaper.
Other than that, it really isn't much different than using openbox as the window manager for xfce4. Sound, desktop notifications etc ... work OOTB.
Screenshot or it didn't happen. Xfce4 Wayland with some added plugins:
2 spreadsheet files open with OnlyOffice.
You must unlearn what you have learned.
-- yoda
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Pretty scrots, everyone.
Trying to install pure Arch onto metal for the first time. Ok, no LIVE ISO (can't check hardware compatibility), fine. Configure WiFi via iwctl, time consuminng for no reason, but fine. The archinstall script wants to overwrite the entire disk, I can't specify a partition? Really? If so, goodbye Arch for me. Not worth the effort to get the same thing as Debian but less stable. Incremental bleeding-edge package updates (with the bugs those always come with) aren't worth it. It's 2025, it shouldn't be this difficult...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd7MlVG2C2o
Get your ass to Mars.
LOL, use Debian sid. It's the same cutting-edge as Arch is. If you wanna try Arch, there're a few Arch-based distros which do provide calamares installer, for example EndeavourOS, Archman, etc. That's supposed to be easier.
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hhh wrote:^ That is a thorough review, thanks! I'll do an install.
Should also note that all the xfce4 plugins that I tried work. The CPU, temps, whisker menu .... The basic ones.
Xfce4 has also implemented a ~/.config/xfce4/labwc location for the labwc files. So you can set up an independent labwc config for xfce4 and keep your ~/.config/labwc configuration for labwc only.
Use the ~/.config/xfce4/labwc/rc.xml file to set key bindings. Xfce4 copies over the default rc.xml.
I created a ~/.config/xfce4/labwc/autostart file for the wallpaper:
sleep 5s && swaybg -i [path to image file] -m fill &
Need a few seconds for xfce4 to finish loading before setting a wallpaper.
Other than that, it really isn't much different than using openbox as the window manager for xfce4. Sound, desktop notifications etc ... work OOTB.
Screenshot or it didn't happen. Xfce4 Wayland with some added plugins:
https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/73/e1/j8HjLQkn_t.png
2 spreadsheet files open with OnlyOffice.
xfce4 setting's session manager can auto start swaybg?
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PackRat wrote:hhh wrote:^ That is a thorough review, thanks! I'll do an install.
Should also note that all the xfce4 plugins that I tried work. The CPU, temps, whisker menu .... The basic ones.
Xfce4 has also implemented a ~/.config/xfce4/labwc location for the labwc files. So you can set up an independent labwc config for xfce4 and keep your ~/.config/labwc configuration for labwc only.
Use the ~/.config/xfce4/labwc/rc.xml file to set key bindings. Xfce4 copies over the default rc.xml.
I created a ~/.config/xfce4/labwc/autostart file for the wallpaper:
sleep 5s && swaybg -i [path to image file] -m fill &
Need a few seconds for xfce4 to finish loading before setting a wallpaper.
Other than that, it really isn't much different than using openbox as the window manager for xfce4. Sound, desktop notifications etc ... work OOTB.
Screenshot or it didn't happen. Xfce4 Wayland with some added plugins:
https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/73/e1/j8HjLQkn_t.png
2 spreadsheet files open with OnlyOffice.
xfce4 setting's session manager can auto start swaybg?
It might. It must do something to distinguish between X11 and Wayland so xfwm doesn't launch.
You must unlearn what you have learned.
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xfce4 setting's session manager can auto start swaybg?
Checked it out.
Did not work running the swaybg command directly.
Did work if I put it in a simple bash script. Did not need the sleep command.
Probably fails silently when logging into xfce4 X11. I suppose you could write a script that checks for wayland then runs swaybg.
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+1 Wonderful!
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Last edited by unklar (2025-07-17 16:36:31)
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Pretty scrots, everyone.
Trying to install pure Arch onto metal for the first time. Ok, no LIVE ISO (can't check hardware compatibility), fine. Configure WiFi via iwctl, time consuminng for no reason, but fine. The archinstall script wants to overwrite the entire disk, I can't specify a partition? Really? If so, goodbye Arch for me. Not worth the effort to get the same thing as Debian but less stable. Incremental bleeding-edge package updates (with the bugs those always come with) aren't worth it. It's 2025, it shouldn't be this difficult...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd7MlVG2C2o
Get your ass to Mars.
Slackware-current is just as up to date (if not sooner ) and you can do WTF you want to the system including breaking it ! You can compile whatever and just install it - so long as you make a SlackBuild script to install it; rather easier than making a compliant debian package.
But it is not for the feint of heart, although OOTB you do get a quite nice KDE (albeit on 5 - did I say "up to date"? ).
Slackware is different, but in my experience that difference is good .. for me at least. It offers me true freedom to fuck it up and learn how to fix it. If you want to dive in it really is a good experience, but it does suck up some time.
Just FYI.
#!/bin/sh
echo '#include <stdio.h>\nvoid main() { printf("Hi, bunsenlabs\\n"); return; }' > bunsen.c
gcc bunsen.c -o bunsen
./bunsen
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