Carbon suggestions

exe · 2024-07-10 14:33:26

sorry, is there a forum on Carbon suggestions ?

Last edited by exe (2024-07-11 09:02:50)

Bearded_Blunder · 2024-07-10 23:40:42

You appear to have started a thread for them.
My only criticism is you omitted to suggest anything.
Other than the thread itself should exist.

Sector11 · 2024-07-11 03:01:13

exe wrote:

sorry, is there a forum on Carbon suggestions ?

Edit your first post, but leave it alone just change the subject from:

Carbon suggestions ?

to

Carbon suggestions

And there you have it.

Then make a new post with a suggestion.

exe · 2024-07-11 09:09:54

OK...

I am not a configuration expert, but I would like Carbon to be a bit more simplified in reference to for example the openbox menu.
I know you can always configure it your own way, but I find it a bit extensive and a lot of options are repeated.

Going back to the essence of crunchbang is always a good thing.

To suggest another option, I would like to have the option to install flatpak in the startup script.

Greetings to all !

Bearded_Blunder · 2024-07-11 16:47:05

exe wrote:

OK...

I am not a configuration expert, but I would like Carbon to be a bit more simplified in reference to for example the openbox menu.
I know you can always configure it your own way, but I find it a bit extensive and a lot of options are repeated.
Going back to the essence of crunchbang is always a good thing.

If you were to do a netinstall & pick base rather than the full install, the menu is way more "Crunchbang like", even for Boron.

To suggest another option, I would like to have the option to install flatpak in the startup script.
Greetings to all !

Never used flatpack, no idea how popular or otherwise that idea will prove. Looking here and also here it doesn't look particularly difficult to set up anyhow.

We'll see what @johnraff thinks as well, since he's the one maintaining the welcome script.

johnraff · 2024-07-12 02:52:48

It's quite simple to add a page to the welcome script offering to install some package.
On the other hand, if a package can be easily installed the usual way via apt or synaptic, then not much is gained by having it in the welcome script. Recently, the trend has been to remove things from bl-welcome, if anything.
What remains is:
*) things that need some scripting to work, like the check for missing apt repos
*) important things new users might not know about, like whether to enable the backports
*) big collections of packages for some specific purpose or other

We also have a submenu Menu > System Settings > Install Favourite Packages where some popular apps, or apps the team recommend or suggest, can be quickly installed. Flatpack could perhaps be added there - but only if the team recommend it in spite of the security issues mentioned on the wiki page.

Bearded_Blunder · 2024-07-13 06:51:03

The security issues appear to be more about what people might choose to install rather than flatpack itself, if they're silly about what they pick, in my opinion that's pretty much on them.

Were it added to the favourite packages menu, a brief warning (yes /no question) & chance to back out would seem more than sufficient to me...

I might be tempted by flatpack myself if the Seamonkey suite is available...

johnraff · 2024-07-13 08:57:37

The security issue with Flatpack mentioned in the wiki is that the necessary libraries come built-in. If a security issue with one of those libraries is discovered later there is no mechanism to upgrade it inside the flatpack, or even to notify the user. The only hope is that the flatpack maintainer will put out an upgraded version including the fixed library.

In the normal Debian ecosystem shared libraries get upgraded when security issues are found, and all the packages using those libraries benefit.

Another potential thing with flatpacks is that they might take up more disk space. How important that is depends on the individual's machine.

But they are certainly convenient for some situations.

B_B wrote:

a brief warning (yes /no question) & chance to back out would seem more than sufficient to me

Yes that might work.

Sector11 · 2024-07-14 03:08:03

DUMB question: What are/is flatpacks?

hhh · 2024-07-14 03:59:31

^ @Sector11

https://flatpak.org/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatpak

IMO AppImages are better because they don't require running a daemon, but older ones can be problematic because of requiring libuse2 instead of libfuse2t64, which is what's current...

https://packages.debian.org/search?sear … ibfuse2t64

snaps are also similar but I hate them. Removing snap from a system because you wanted to try a few packages is a PITA...

https://itsfoss.com/remove-snap/

Sector11 · 2024-07-14 16:07:21

I'll stick with .deb as long as I can thank you.

I'd heard of flatpacks before but since I didn't need it didn't look around. And this is first time I have heard of "AppImage" YUP another I can live without.

Maybe someday it will be forced down our throats like sysd was but until then. . . .
colour me out of the game.

Then we come to "snap"

Snap is a software packaging and deployment system developed by Canonical

Canonical - NO THANK YOU! Not even on someone else's computer!

johnraff · 2024-07-15 02:40:53

Regardless of Ubuntu, I don't think Debian will be going down that path for a long time, if ever.

hhh · 2024-07-15 03:47:49

^ No by default, but yes.

https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=snapd

johnraff · 2024-07-15 06:14:56

^ & ^^^ sure they'll make packages available, but "forcing snap/appimage/flatpak down our throats" isn't going to happen I'm pretty sure.

Sector11 · 2024-07-15 13:27:33

I've known about snapd in the repos, but after doing some reading on the interwebs I had to ask myself: WHY?

On Debian 9 (Stretch) and newer, snap can be installed directly from the command line:
sudo apt update
sudo apt install snapd
After this, install the snapd snap in order to get the latest snapd:
sudo snap install snapd
Install GNU Image Manipulation Program
To install GNU Image Manipulation Program, simply use the following command:
sudo snap install gimp

OR do it the way Debian has always done it.

sudo apt install gimp

hhh · 2024-07-15 13:54:57

@Sector11, some more info...

https://snapcraft.io/docs

https://snapcraft.io/

Gimp 2.10.34 is available in Debian stable, Gimp 2.99.18 is available at the Snap Store (in dropdown menu)...

https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/gimp

https://snapcraft.io/gimp

Sector11 · 2024-07-15 17:32:56

GIMP 2.10.34 comes with Debian 12 bookworm. It does a hell of a lot more that I need it for and that's good enough for me.

Unless you are a graphic artist using GIMP and use all of it's commands to its fullest having v2.99.18 is just another

"Look what I have "

My computer isn't even the latest and greatest and uses onboard graphics because they aren't importing graphics cards here.

Besides I have apt
I like this part: Happy is flexible:

 2024·07·15 @ 14:20:30 ~
   $ sho happy
Package: happy                    
Version: 1.20.0-1
Description: Parser generator for Haskell
   $

- colour me happy!

I do not think there is a single program on my computer that I use 100% of it's capacity. Not even conky v1.9!

GalacticStone · 2025-06-04 14:31:27

Ok, I know this is an older thread, so please forgive me if this is a breach of protocol. Feel free to set me straight. I'm not one of those randos who gets bent out of shape if I get moderated. I take moderation well and don't bite. LOL.

I was reading through this thread and thought I would add my two cents (actual worth may vary).

a) I agree about Snap. Hate it. Won't touch it with a 3m pole. Please keep anything Shuttleworth-related away from my PC.

b) I am open to Flatpak or AppImage as a way to easily install new software. I'm not that skilled, so anything that streamlines installation is a good thing to me. Compiling from source, dealing with dependency hell, and all the rest is something I'd prefer to avoid as long as it doesn't break something else.

c) Dungeon Crawl, Stone Soup edition. Make it so. I only play one game on rare occasions and it's this old rogue-like throwback. I'd like to install it on my new BL machine, but I'm not sure if it will break anything. Has anyone installed this one? I had it on my Ubuntu machine for a while, but one of the updates eventually broke it (the game, not Ubuntu) and I didn't try reinstalling after that.

d) I tried installing the Gnome calculator as suggested and it's broke. It freezes every time as soon as it opens. Is there another recommended calculator app? I'm using a browser-based one for now, but I kinda need one to crunch numbers for my business. (not so much a Carbon suggestion I guess).

That's all I can think of for now. Overall BL already checks a lot of boxes for me, so I don't feel like I have a critical need for any specific feature right now.

Thanks!

Last edited by GalacticStone (2025-06-04 14:32:30)

greenjeans · 2025-06-04 15:18:14

^^^ I've used Galculator for many years now, solid calculator app, nice and lightweight compared to others but still full-featured.

Count me as another voice against Snap or Flatpak. Appimages though can be useful at times.

PackRat · 2025-06-04 19:42:11

greenjeans wrote:

^^^ I've used Galculator for many years now, solid calculator app, nice and lightweight compared to others but still full-featured.
Count me as another voice against Snap or Flatpak. Appimages though can be useful at times.

Galculator is good; I ave it installed. There is also Xcalc which may already be installed as part of Xorg or Xapp packages.

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