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Pirx

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Firefox ESR and Cloudflare

Firefox ESR doesn't work with Cloudflare's "confirm you're a human" security message. It gets stuck in an endless loop. Both Librewolf and Vivaldi work as expected.

greenjeans

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Re: Firefox ESR and Cloudflare

This has been going on for months now, it's intermittent and not just firefox, chromium has also had issues and Brave as well.

It's a Cloudflare issue.

Pirx

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Re: Firefox ESR and Cloudflare

It's a Cloudflare issue.

At this very moment I can see some sites with Vivaldi or Librewolf and can't see them with Firefox ESR. Firefox ESR can't go past the message from Cloudflare and it's stuck in an endless loop. To me it looks like it's 50/50 (Cloudflare and Firefox ESR). Just to be clear - I'm not talking about the message itself. I can see it with every browser, but only Firefox ESR can't go past it and keeps coming back to it every single time I click on "I'm a human" checkbox.

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Re: Firefox ESR and Cloudflare

Same here. Thread on another forum I started months ago about this, tons of folks chimed in having same issue, sometimes it's FF, sometimes it's Chrome or Chromium. One will work for a while, then just stop working right and another one that wasn't working will start working right. No real rhyme or reason.

And Cloudflare after a couple of months of this, has now added a text-link to that challenge, asking you to click it to report these very issues. So yeah, i'm going with a Cloudflare issue, not a browser issue.

Pirx

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Re: Firefox ESR and Cloudflare

Yeah, you're probably right.

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Re: Firefox ESR and Cloudflare

I had to ask:

So what is Cloudflare?

Cloudflare is one of the biggest networks operating on the Internet. People use Cloudflare services for the purposes of increasing the security and performance of their web sites and services.

Nope don't meed it.

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Re: Firefox ESR and Cloudflare

It's a Cloudflare issue.

The industry has moved to using "attestation" as a CAPTCHA replacement, Apple having already implemented this:

https://httptoolkit.com/blog/apple-priv … testation/

Sadly the automated attestation only works for proprietary operating systems, with Linux stuck on the old CAPTCHAs, which are suffering with a lack of development and code rot.

FWIW I can usually navigate the CAPTCHAs eventually, although I did recently get stuck with Steam's "click the squares containing a $whatever" version.

EDIT:

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greenjeans

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Re: Firefox ESR and Cloudflare

FYI the various site-admins who are Cloudflare customers can turn the challenge on or off as they choose from what they tell me. They are telling me they have had them on because their sites are getting hammered by a lot of unscrupulous bots and such.

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{snip} The industry has moved to using "attestation" as a CAPTCHA replacement, Apple having already implemented this: {snip}

DAMN!  That does not sound good at all!
It is them saying: WE OWN THE INTERNET!

EDIT:
https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/machine_le … aptcha.png

Funny and scary!

FYI the various site-admins who are Cloudflare customers can turn the challenge on or off as they choose from what they tell me. They are telling me they have had them on because their sites are getting hammered by a lot of unscrupulous bots and such.

  Such is the way of how life is going these days.

We need to go Back to the Future!

- Phones plugged into the walls with phone booths every 10 blocks
- Cameras with actual film that needs developing
- Cars without computers
- DUMB Fridges, TVs, etc
- watches; the ones that need winding up daily and the hands go around in circles.
- etc.

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Re: Firefox ESR and Cloudflare

With apologies to the OP for the diversion:

- Cars without computers

And motorbikes too!

Carburettors are much better than fuel injection, which gives awful response from a closed throttle thanks to emission restrictions forcing the engine to run as lean as possible. FI can be remapped and improved but carbs are fundamentally better because they rely on physics rather than algorithms.

The latest answer to a question nobody asked is keyless ignition, which is just a theft aid, and BMW only offer that option on their new (fugly) R1300R. There is no way to buy that bike with a key. Unbelievable. EDIT: and the bike is permanently connected to BMW via a SIM card. I'm not joking: https://customer.bmwgroup.com/pm2/pm-do … f0bea480b0

KTM are even worse — their lastest bikes offer a full suite of electronic riding aids that are available as a "demo" when you buy the bike and start riding it but then get locked away behind a paywall after the first 1500 km[1]. Wankers.

Also:

- watches; the ones that need winding up daily and the hands go around in circles.

What about https://www.cartier.com/en-gb/watchesan … ankguichet? Not quite in my price bracket though, unfortunately...

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Pirx

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Re: Firefox ESR and Cloudflare

With apologies to the OP for the diversion:

No worries. I don't mind a little bit of off-topic and agree that we've managed to make simple things unnecessarily complicated by making them digital and connecting them to the Internet.