Firefox - New Terms of Service

Döbbie03 · 2025-02-28 21:00:29

Firefox/Mozilla really seem set on alienating what is left of their userbase.

Maybe it's time for LibreWolf to star as the default browser with BL?

Sector11 · 2025-03-01 00:28:18

I'm in the process of setting up LibraWolf right now.
Passweors and Logins are a tough one. My wife doesn't remember some of her stuff says "FF knows it"

I just about panicked! Still feeling queezie (is that a word) about it.

Döbbie03 · 2025-03-01 00:46:28

To export your passwords, head to the main Firefox menu, click Passwords, top right, click the three dots and export passwords.

I'd avoid the built-in password manager personally and use something like ProtonPass.

Queasy is the word you are looking for

marens · 2025-03-01 01:50:20

Thanks @Döbbie03.

I checked what's new and found this:

Firefox 135.0 wrote:

The “Do Not Track” checkbox has been removed from preferences. If you wish to ask websites to respect your privacy, you can use the “Tell websites not to sell or share my data” setting instead. This option is built on top of the Global Privacy Control (GPC).

Check that box:

micko01 · 2025-03-01 02:19:04

I just installed librewolf from the testing branch following these instructions.

It's working well on my laptop. A keeper I think.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2025-03-01 07:53:00

Döbbie03 wrote:

Maybe it's time for LibreWolf to star as the default browser with BL?

LibreWolf doesn't offer builds based on the LTS version of Firefox.

What exactly is the problem with the new ToS? Seems pretty standard to me. I'm happy to carry on using FF to post in support of Abdullah Öcalan, which could get me arrested in the UK.

I've been using Epiphany recently and it's not bad but sites do crash a lot more than under FF, especially Wordpress stuff.

Debian only recommend the firefox-esr, chromium or ephiphany packages for use with the stable release because all the other browser engines become rapidly outdated and insecure.

https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ … r-security

Sector11 · 2025-03-01 16:42:16

Döbbie03 wrote:

To export your passwords, head to the main Firefox menu, click Passwords, top right, click the three dots and export passwords.

Did that have the file and imported to LW - it doesn't work.

I'd avoid the built-in password manager personally and use something like ProtonPass.

That won't do it, only 1 account is free and there are 2 here.

Queasy is the word you are looking for

Well, you know me, The Mod Squid Tpyo Knig

Sector11 · 2025-03-01 16:57:49

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Döbbie03 wrote:
Maybe it's time for LibreWolf to star as the default browser with BL?
LibreWolf doesn't offer builds based on the LTS version of Firefox.

And that might be why the FF "passwords.csv" is in IW is not working.

What exactly is the problem with the new ToS? Seems pretty standard to me. I'm happy to carry on using FF to post in support of Abdullah Öcalan, which could get me arrested in the UK.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2025-03-01 18:05:18

Don't worry S11, the USAF still provides air support for the SDF in their continuing campaign against Daesh ("ISIS"), and the SDF consider Öcalan to be their Rêber (leader/guide/guru).

Öcalan can be considered today's Nelson Mandela, who was also designated a "terrorist" by Thatcher's government. Öcalan ordered the PKK to disband and lay down their arms yesterday and they have agreed to do so.

So what's the big deal with the new ToS then? Why is everybody so upset? Genuine question

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Sector11 · 2025-03-01 18:56:35

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Don't worry S11, the USAF still provides air support for the SDF in their continuing campaign against Daesh ("ISIS"), and the SDF consider Öcalan to be their Rêber (leader/guide/guru).
Öcalan can be considered today's Nelson Mandela, who was also designated a "terrorist" by Thatcher's government. Öcalan ordered the PKK to disband and lay down their arms yesterday and they have agreed to do so.

Did some reading since you mentioned him. Good for you!

So what's the big deal with the new ToS then? Why is everybody so upset? Genuine question

THIS caused a ruckus ...

You give Mozilla all rights necessary to operate Firefox, including processing data as we describe in the Firefox Privacy Notice, as well as acting on your behalf to help you navigate the internet. When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox.

and I see it was changed yesterday, 28 Feb 2025 (where I got the new text from)

You give Mozilla the rights necessary to operate Firefox. This includes processing your data as we describe in the Firefox Privacy Notice. It also includes a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license for the purpose of doing as you request with the content you input in Firefox. This does not give Mozilla any ownership in that content.

So I guess the negative feedback helped.

See now - this is the kinda stuff that made me miss seeing you around.
Let's have a {pixel} beer together. Or you go it and have two, one for me, one for you.
Make that three HEY glittersloth!! Get your lowrider over here

Head_on_a_Stick · 2025-03-01 19:39:12

Okay, thanks. Looks like this only applies to their binary packages. I'm pretty sure Debian will build a version without that. Has anyone checked the Debian mailing lists? They'll be talking about this there.

EDIT: and even if they do supply a version with telemetry all you have to do is misdirect the Mozilla URLs via /etc/hosts.

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Sun For Miles · 2025-03-01 19:40:26

I checked ther other blog posts, and I must say although I am rarely surprised by anything - they have managed to surprise me (in negative way).

On manifest v3:
https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/fi … dblockers/

Terms of USE (??):
https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/fi … ms-of-use/

Head_on_a_Stick · 2025-03-01 20:05:11

Debian mailing list discussion: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/20 … 00000.html

johnraff · 2025-03-02 01:52:34

^I'm a bit behind following that list, so thanks for the catchup link.
(Note: the debian-user mailing list is populated with people like us, and is not a forum for debian developers.)

My feeling at this point is that it's more about legal niceties than any change in the browser itself.

PS about switching the BL default browser, HoaS has already pointed out the big issue with using anything except those which are getting regular security upgrades from Debian (firefox-esr, chromium and epiphany atm). Your web browser is probably the biggest potential security hole in your system and any forks and side-projects are going to have vulnerabilities eventually because they don't have the same level of security monitoring.

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greenjeans · 2025-03-02 04:47:33

johnraff wrote:

^I'm a bit behind following that list, so thanks for the catchup link.
(Note: the debian-user mailing list is populated with people like us, and is not a forum for debian developers.)
My feeling at this point is that it's more about legal niceties than any change in the browser itself.
PS about switching the BL default browser, HoaS has already pointed out the big issue with using anything except those which are getting regular security upgrades from Debian (firefox-esr, chromium and epiphany atm). Your web browser is probably the biggest potential security hole in your system and any forks and side-projects are going to have vulnerabilities eventually because they don't have the same level of security monitoring.

Yep, this is the biggie. And all in the end are about the same when it comes to privacy concerns these days.

I run chromium because pragmatism, it simply runs faster for me than FF and is very good lately about using theme choices. And security updates come about once a week or a little better.

But over time, I change back and forth, seems like for a while C sucks while FF works better, then it changes and C works better and FF sucks.

johnraff · 2025-03-02 06:16:51

johnraff wrote:

...about switching the BL default browser, HoaS has already pointed out the big issue with using anything except those which are getting regular security upgrades from Debian (firefox-esr, chromium and epiphany atm).

In fact:

Debian wrote:

For general web browser use we recommend Firefox or Chromium

https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ … r-security

unklar · 2025-03-02 10:22:13

I have always come back to FF-ESR because it is the fastest way to close security gaps.

After installation, the network is disconnected from the computer.
In the 'Settings', the browser is stripped bare (all checkmarks, websites etc. set up by Mozilla are removed).
Only 'my' settings apply.
-Start page and new tabs = empty
-Search = Gruble
-All cookies and websites are deleted when the browser is closed.
-dns = dnsforge.de

Then I import my bookmarks.
Of course, the browser settings have to be called up several times for the settings to take effect.

Then, again Net --> Add-ons and Themes --> flagfox; uBlock; uMatrix; SkipRedirect and Keepassxc-Browser-Plugin.

Done.

Pirx · 2025-03-02 20:49:31

unklar wrote:

After installation, the network is disconnected from the computer.

May I ask what's the reason behind it?

marens · 2025-03-02 22:04:10

unklar wrote:

Then, again Net --> Add-ons and Themes --> flagfox; uBlock; uMatrix; SkipRedirect and Keepassxc-Browser-Plugin.

Before installation:

uMatrix > Go to dashboard > My Rules > Export to file...
You will get a my-umatrix-rules.txt file inside ~/Downloads.

uBlock Origin > Open the dashboard > My Filters > Export...
You will get a similar my-ublock-static-filters_2025-03-02_22.23.58.txt file inside ~/Downloads.

Save the files somewhere and after installation, import the files the same way and all your local settings are there.

In a slightly different way, you can instantly restore all your old bookmarks and favicons.
If you are interested, open a new topic.

Pirx · 2025-03-02 22:27:12

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

LibreWolf doesn't offer builds based on the LTS version of Firefox.

So? Some will say it's good for security, some will say it's bad.

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Debian only recommend the firefox-esr, chromium or ephiphany packages for use with the stable release because all the other browser engines become rapidly outdated and insecure.

Librewolf, Waterfox, Brave or Vivaldi use the same engines. Brave is updated frequently (and no - I'm not talking about nightly builds). I can't see a problem with adding more browsers to BunsenLabs. SparkyLinux has all of them available out of the box. Yes, there is a question of security (especially with browsers based on Firefox), but come on - up to date Brave or Librewolf are pretty secure.

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