Carbon Bugs

hhh · 2025-02-08 03:53:07

^ Also easier for users. The first place I'd look would be in the bl-autostart entry.

johnraff · 2025-02-08 04:48:34

^agreed.

The only time a .desktop file is useful is when it's something the user wouldn't likely know about - or want to know about.

Last edited by johnraff (2025-02-08 04:50:04)

unklar · 2025-02-08 10:25:02

johnraff wrote:

And we'll be most grateful to hear about the bugs that you find. smile

Somehow the error looks familiar to me. Unfortunately, I am currently unable to categorize it...

Not one of the three packages bunsen-meta-base; bunsen-meta-lite or bunsen-meta-all can be installed due to missing dependencies:

apt install bunsen-meta-base
Einige Pakete konnten nicht installiert werden. Das kann bedeuten, dass
Sie eine unmögliche Situation angefordert haben oder, wenn Sie die
Unstable-Distribution verwenden, dass einige erforderliche Pakete noch
nicht erstellt wurden oder Incoming noch nicht verlassen haben.
Die folgenden Informationen helfen Ihnen vielleicht, die Situation zu lösen:

Unsatisfied dependencies:
 bunsen-meta-base : Hängt ab von: dillo soll aber nicht installiert werden
                    Hängt ab von: policykit-1-gnome ist aber nicht installierbar
Error: Probleme können nicht korrigiert werden, Sie haben zurückgehaltene defekte Pakete.

bunsen-meta-lite
Unsatisfied dependencies:
 bunsen-meta-lite : Hängt ab von: dillo soll aber nicht installiert werden
                    Hängt ab von: hfsprogs ist aber nicht installierbar
                    Hängt ab von: policykit-1-gnome ist aber nicht installierbar
                    Hängt ab von: unrar ist aber nicht installierbar

bunsen-meta-all
Unsatisfied dependencies:
 bunsen-meta-all : Hängt ab von: hfsprogs ist aber nicht installierbar
                   Hängt ab von: policykit-1-gnome ist aber nicht installierbar
                   Hängt ab von: unrar ist aber nicht installierbar

My active sources:

inxi -r
Repos:
  No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/bunsen.list
    1: deb https://pkg.bunsenlabs.org/debian carbon main
    2: deb https://pkg.bunsenlabs.org/debian bookworm-backports main
  No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/dbgsym.list
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list
    1: deb https://deb.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free-firmware
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/extra.list
    1: deb https://ftp.belnet.be/mirror/siduction/extra unstable main non-free-firmware
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/fixes.list
    1: deb https://ftp.belnet.be/mirror/siduction/fixes unstable main non-free-firmware
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/01micko.sources
    1: deb https://01micko.github.io/debian/ carbon-trixie main

Head_on_a_Stick · 2025-02-08 11:46:53

For hfsprogs and unrar you need to add the non-free component to your sid repositories. Carbon is based on trixie though so it's probably best to add those repositories and pin them above sid.

The policykit-1-gnome package has been removed from testing but unstable still has it.

If you have the aptitude command installed you can use

LC_ALL=C aptitude why-not policykit-1-gnome

No idea about dillo though, that should be fine.

Can we see

LC_ALL=C apt policy

^ That shows your sources and pinning better than inxi. The LC_ALL prefix makes the command speak English.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2025-02-08 12:38:09

Just noticed this earlier in the thread:

hhh wrote:

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugrepo … ug=1033511

I moved deadbang to the new rules system, here's my replacement for the old .pkla authorisation file that allows thunar to mount internal drives without asking for a password:

polkit.addRule(function(action, subject) {
    if ((action.id == "org.freedesktop.udisks2.filesystem-mount-system" ||
         action.id == "org.freedesktop.udisks2.filesystem-mount") &&
        subject.isInGroup("users")) {
        return polkit.Result.YES;
    }
});

https://git.sr.ht/~head_on_a_stick/dead … sks2.rules

johnraff · 2025-02-09 05:44:08

@unklar, @HOAS has pinned down the hfsprogs and unrar issue I think, but I don't know why your apt can't find dillo. There should be two versions available, from Debian and BunsenLabs:
On my Trixie VM:

john@trixie-tester:~$ apt policy dillo
dillo:
  Installed: 3.1.1-0.1~bl3
  Candidate: 3.1.1-0.1~bl3
  Version table:
 *** 3.1.1-0.1~bl3 500
        500 https://pkg.bunsenlabs.org/debian carbon/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
     3.1.1-0.1~bl2 100
        100 https://01micko.github.io/debian carbon-trixie/main amd64 Packages
     3.0.5-7.1 500
        500 http://deb.debian.org/debian trixie/main amd64 Packages

john@trixie-tester:~$ inxi -r
Repos:
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list
    1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ trixie main contrib non-free-firmware non-free
    2: deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security trixie-security main contrib non-free-firmware non-free
    3: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ trixie-updates main contrib non-free-firmware non-free
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/bunsen.list
    1: deb https://pkg.bunsenlabs.org/debian carbon main
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/01micko.sources
    1: deb https://01micko.github.io/debian/ carbon-trixie main

@unklar you're using the Debian unstable repo, while Carbon expects Trixie. In practice they're almost the same but you'd probably better take HOAS's advice and add Trixie.

policykit-1-gnome is going to be replaced with lxpolkit, mate-polkit or lxqt-policykit, but the metapackage hasn't been updated yet. Thanks for catching it!

Last edited by johnraff (2025-02-09 07:17:03)

unklar · 2025-02-09 13:19:25

johnraff wrote:

@unklar, @HOAS has pinned down the hfsprogs and unrar issue I think, but I don't know why your apt can't find dillo. There should be two versions available, from Debian and BunsenLabs:
On my Trixie VM:

root@chroot-helper:/# LC_ALL=C apt policy dillo
dillo:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 3.1.1-0.1~bl3
  Version table:
     3.1.1-0.1~bl3 500
        500 https://pkg.bunsenlabs.org/debian carbon/main amd64 Packages
     3.1.1-0.1~bl2 100
        100 https://01micko.github.io/debian carbon-trixie/main amd64 Packages
     3.0.5-7.1 500
        500 https://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages

LC_ALL=C apt install dillo
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

Unsatisfied dependencies:
 dillo : Depends: libmbedcrypto7t64 (>= 2.28.0) but it is not installable
         Depends: libmbedtls14t64 (>= 2.28.0) but it is not installable
         Depends: libmbedx509-1t64 (>= 2.28.0) but it is not installable
Error: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.

I will download the Boron ISO, install it and change the sources to Trixi and Carbon with the first restart. Then do a full-upgrade like @HoaS did.

Then we'll see...
Thanks!

Head_on_a_Stick · 2025-02-09 13:42:41

Looks like sid broke the toys again

Head_on_a_Stick · 2025-02-09 17:08:03

Boron doesn't seem to have the en_US.UTF-8 locale installed if any other locale is selected in the installer, I presume this will carry over to Carbon.

My attempted fix for deadbang is this line added to config/includes.installer/preseed.cfg:

d-i preseed/late_command string sed -i '/en_US.UTF-8/s/^#//' /target/etc/locale.gen ; in-target locale-gen

I haven't tested or committed this yet though.

Applications will always assume en_US.UTF-8 is installed regardless of system locale so this might be a bug in live-build.

EDIT: corrected command, testing again...

EDIT2: the fix works

Last edited by Head_on_a_Stick (2025-02-09 21:29:04)

johnraff · 2025-02-10 02:03:37

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Boron doesn't seem to have the en_US.UTF-8 locale installed if any other locale is selected in the installer...
...Applications will always assume en_US.UTF-8 is installed regardless of system locale so this might be a bug in live-build.

Or a bug in debian-installer? What happens with eg the Debian netinstall?

Might this also work?

d-i localechooser/supported-locales multiselect en_US.UTF-8

BTW handy reference: https://preseed.debian.net/debian-preseed/

Anyway, bug or not, it looks as if it would be a service to our users to make sure en_US.UTF-8 is installed.

Last edited by johnraff (2025-02-10 02:32:05)

johnraff · 2025-02-10 04:17:09

unklar wrote:

LC_ALL=C apt install dillo
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

Unsatisfied dependencies:
 dillo : Depends: libmbedcrypto7t64 (>= 2.28.0) but it is not installable
         Depends: libmbedtls14t64 (>= 2.28.0) but it is not installable
         Depends: libmbedx509-1t64 (>= 2.28.0) but it is not installable
Error: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.

I will download the Boron ISO, install it and change the sources to Trixi and Carbon with the first restart.

Those three packages are not available in Sid for amd64. My guess is that just adding the Trixie apt sources would fix it.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2025-02-10 07:12:18

johnraff wrote:

Might this also work?

d-i localechooser/supported-locales multiselect en_US.UTF-8

Not sure if that would cause the locale selection screen not to appear, I will have to check.

Watch this space...

EDIT:

johnraff wrote:

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
Applications will always assume en_US.UTF-8 is installed regardless of system locale so this might be a bug in live-build.
Or a bug in debian-installer? What happens with eg the Debian netinstall?

Both the netinstall and the live ISO image install systems without en_US.UTF-8 if a different locale is selected so this is actually a Debian bug. I should probably report it.

Arch explicitly requires en_US.UTF-8 to be present: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Instal … calization & https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Locale … ng_locales

And the wiki reports problems with Steam if it is not installed: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Steam/Troubleshooting#SetLocale('en_US.UTF-8')_fails_at_game_startup_or_typing_non-ASCII_characters_does_not_work_in_the_Steam_client

Last edited by Head_on_a_Stick (2025-02-10 14:42:16)

unklar · 2025-02-10 14:59:12

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Looks like sid broke the toys again

Actually, I'm not a friend of Trixi/sid(Testing). It always takes too long for changes/bugs etc. to be fixed.

I prefer the unstable (like siduction) as a daily workhorse.
It's just cool how quickly bugs are fixed and new things appear.
Of course, this system requires full attention when updating. A good compromise for me is the siduction forum and the apt commands (as needed):

apt dist-(full)upgrade

or

apt --solver 3.0 full-upgrade

======================

Thanks for your hint to build this BL system from ISO, with immediate change of sources to Trixi/sid.

So far (1035 packages have been changed) it works well.

I did this on a new machine with UEFI.
Since the EFI is not my cup of tea, I'd like to ask you for advice in another thread when I get a chance.

Last edited by unklar (2025-02-10 14:59:48)

Head_on_a_Stick · 2025-02-10 16:56:36

unklar wrote:

I'm not a friend of Trixi/sid(Testing). It always takes too long for changes/bugs etc. to be fixed.

Yes, the mandatory transition delay can mess things up. For such cases it might be best to have the sid repositories but pin them to 100 so they are treated the same way as backports in the stable release. That way you can run trixie as the base system with any missing packages pulled from sid.

The Debian Reference covers this technique: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debi … le_literal

This will cease to be an issue once the freeze starts[1], all the packages should be present and (mostly) unchanged from that point on, barring bug fixes.

unklar wrote:

So far (1035 packages have been changed) it works well.

Nice. Looks like you still have the Boron wallpaper so make sure the bunsen-meta-all package is installed and then accept the offer to update the user configuration to see how the Carbon desktop looks.

unklar wrote:

I'd like to ask you for advice in another thread

Please do :-)

[1] https://release.debian.org/testing/freeze_policy.html

Last edited by Head_on_a_Stick (2025-02-10 20:17:06)

unklar · 2025-02-11 15:08:06

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Nice. Looks like you still have the Boron wallpaper so make sure the bunsen-meta-all package is installed and then accept the offer to update the user configuration to see how the Carbon desktop looks.

I installed it, but he didn't make me an offer.

Install method: iso
Version: boron-1-240123-amd64
Disk info: Debian GNU/Linux 12 "Boron" - Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20240123-08:09
Install date: 2025-02-09T14:42:32
Added bunsen-meta-all at 2025-02-10T17:06:03, version 13.0-5
/etc/bunsen/bunsen_install (END)

...and, thanks for the links.

Last edited by unklar (2025-02-11 15:40:47)

unklar · 2025-02-11 15:24:28

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Please do :-)

Thanks!
https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic … 83#p141183

Head_on_a_Stick · 2025-02-11 16:38:34

unklar wrote:

he didn't make me an offer

You can request a manual update with

bl-user-setup --refresh

unklar · 2025-02-12 09:56:00

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

unklar wrote:
he didn't make me an offer
You can request a manual update with
bl-user-setup --refresh

Thank you.
I don't see any change.

There are also applications here that do not work from the menu, e.g.
"System Settings--Install Favorite Packages--Multimedia Players-Install Audacious
or
...gparted"

No problem from the terminal.

Last edited by unklar (2025-02-12 10:12:10)

Head_on_a_Stick · 2025-02-12 20:01:12

Try

sudo apt install mate-polkit

Then log out & back in again.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2025-02-12 20:12:09

And a bug report of my own for the current Carbon desktop: the "Exit" menu option doesn't seem to do anything, even with mate-polkit installed and running.

Somewhat embarrassingly I no longer know what that option runs and I'm too tired to figure it out (sorry). Perhaps I'll edit this tomorrow if I muddle through...

There is a chance this is just a testing/unstable SNAFU rather than a fixable bug.

Last edited by Head_on_a_Stick (2025-02-12 20:12:45)

#41 2025-02-08 03:53:07

Re: Carbon Bugs

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Re: Carbon Bugs

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Re: Carbon Bugs

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Re: Carbon Bugs

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Re: Carbon Bugs

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Re: Carbon Bugs

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Re: Carbon Bugs

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Re: Carbon Bugs

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Re: Carbon Bugs

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Re: Carbon Bugs

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Re: Carbon Bugs

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Re: Carbon Bugs

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Re: Carbon Bugs

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Re: Carbon Bugs

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Re: Carbon Bugs

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Re: Carbon Bugs

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Re: Carbon Bugs

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Re: Carbon Bugs

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Re: Carbon Bugs

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