How To Install Wine 8 on Debian 10 and 11

Sector11 · 2023-03-13 15:36:40

Failed to communicate my thoughts correctly unklar.

Start with this bold italics are mine:

jeffreyC wrote:

I have used their XNconvert package without trouble on MX Linux, as far as I can tell they are not Ubuntu packages.

I replied:

How can one tell if a .deb is an Ubu package or not.

You said "apt never lies" and showed apt in action.

The last two lines in your terminal:

Conf libgdk-pixbuf2.0-bin (2.42.10+dfsg-1+b1 Debian:testing [amd64])
Conf xnview (1.4.3 local-deb [amd64])

I see that "Debian:testing" and I was wondering if it was an ubuntu.deb package would it report:

Conf libgdk-pixbuf2.0-bin (2.42.10+dfsg-1+b1 Ubuntu [amd64])
Conf xnview (1.4.3 local-deb [amd64])

Otherwise I'm still confused as to knowing how anyone can find out IF a .deb file was created by/for Debian or by/for Ubuntu.

Hope that helps.

unklar · 2023-03-13 18:36:20

In this case, the system is irrelevant. I can also install this in beryllium. Look here:

~/Downloads$ sudo apt install -s ./XnViewMP-linux-x64.deb 
[sudo] Passwort für unklar: 
Paketlisten werden gelesen… Fertig
Abhängigkeitsbaum wird aufgebaut… Fertig
Statusinformationen werden eingelesen… Fertig
Hinweis: »xnview« wird an Stelle von »./XnViewMP-linux-x64.deb« gewählt.
Die folgenden NEUEN Pakete werden installiert:
  xnview
0 aktualisiert, 1 neu installiert, 0 zu entfernen und 0 nicht aktualisiert.
Inst xnview (1.4.3 local-deb [amd64])
Conf xnview (1.4.3 local-deb [amd64])

inxi -Sr
System:    Host: francescoPC Kernel: 5.10.0-21-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Openbox 3.6.1 
           Distro: BunsenLabs GNU/Linux 11 (Beryllium) 
Repos:     Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list 
           1: deb https://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian/ bullseye main non-free contrib
           2: deb-src https://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian/ bullseye main non-free contrib
           3: deb https://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main contrib non-free
           4: deb-src https://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main contrib non-free
           No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/bunsen-bullseye-backports.list 
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/bunsen.list 
           1: deb https://pkg.bunsenlabs.org/debian beryllium main
           No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-bullseye-backports.list 
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/home:npreining:debian-unison.list 
           1: deb http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/npreining:/debian-unison/Debian_11/ /

And, with XnConvert it is the same.

~/Downloads$ sudo apt install -s ./XnConvert-linux-x64.deb 
Paketlisten werden gelesen… Fertig
Abhängigkeitsbaum wird aufgebaut… Fertig
Statusinformationen werden eingelesen… Fertig
Hinweis: »xnconvert« wird an Stelle von »./XnConvert-linux-x64.deb« gewählt.
Die folgenden NEUEN Pakete werden installiert:
  xnconvert
0 aktualisiert, 1 neu installiert, 0 zu entfernen und 0 nicht aktualisiert.
Inst xnconvert (1.96.0 local-deb [amd64])
Conf xnconvert (1.96.0 local-deb [amd64])

I think if it was for ubuntu it would be in the name too.
If you look at it with archive management, it doesn't say anything about ubuntu either.

johnraff · 2023-03-13 23:48:31

Some Ubuntu packages install fine on Debian, some don't.
Sometimes the library paths are different, sometimes there are dependencies on packages that have a different name - or don't exist - on Debian.
Sometimes apt and dpkg will install the package on Debian, but it won't run.
Sometimes, with simple packages, it works OK, or has subtle bugs that might, or might not, matter.
(I am using a couple of Ubuntu packages here.)

I don't know any guaranteed way to tell if a package has been built for Ubuntu or Debian though, apart from its name, where it came from, or if it trips up in any of the above ways. Probably a more knowlegable person could examine the source code and identify Ubuntuisms...

Sector11 · 2023-03-14 12:51:42

Well said John. That's basically what I was after.

This part for sure:

I don't know any guaranteed way to tell if a package has been built for Ubuntu or Debian though, apart from its name, where it came from, or if it trips up in any of the above ways. Probably a more knowlegable person could examine the source code and identify Ubuntuisms...

Would be nice if Debian built in a line on all .deb files similar to the second line:

Note: "xnconvert" is chosen instead of "./XnConvert-linux-x64.deb".
Note: deb compiled with: Debian 11.6 bullseye

Where 'Debian', '11.6' & 'bullseye' would be take directly from the system.

But that's not gonna happen.

jeffreyC · 2023-03-14 22:49:31

Some packages built for Ubuntu use Zstd compression, just as Ubuntu (Canonical) packages do. How many packagers have not caught up with that I do not know.

Debian tools will not install those as their decompression does not handle that, whether it is planned for later I do not know.

johnraff · 2023-03-15 08:34:44

^I seem to recall something about zstd coming up in the pipeline...

Ah yes: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugrepo … bug=892664

Sector11 · 2023-03-15 11:54:12

Nice jeffreyC - Thanks for the info.

From what I read at the link John provided.
I hope not.
BUT, things change

Last edited by Sector11 (2023-03-15 11:55:31)

taberacci · 2023-03-31 05:23:57

Sad that it can't show the GUI of FabFilter plug-ins.

I am a registered user of a few of their older plug-ins responsibly updated, but cannot enter my activation code because of it. This "activation code" is just a text combination that I have to enter in a dialog box the plug-in gives me. The problem is, how am I going to trigger that dialog if the button to trigger it and anything else inside the window frame cannot be seen?

Maybe it's different in a program other than OpenMPT... freeware or not. With Arch-based this is just not thought about, but that has other problems. Cannot use Windows VST3 plug-ins at all LOL or hosts like Kushview Element. Anyway the VST3 ones built with Synthedit and offered for free download are unusable.

This was tried on a copy of Debian "Testing" which ISO was from Dec-2022 (not "DI-Alpha" which has been crap to me), and a few days ago I tried again with the ISO from 20-March-2023, to remind myself again that it is crap. Also tried with SparkyLinux KDE and MATE based on "Testing". Actually with SparkyLinux I first noticed the FabFilter thing. Doesn't even run "winetricks corefonts" properly anymore, had to copy the Windows fonts from my installation of Spiral KDE. "wineserver" times out after 5-10 minutes each and after everytime I run "winecfg" after a fresh install of Wine.

The "community" are staying on the "repacks" so they don't have to set Windows10 as the default minimum requirement for "wineprefixes". But I'm not supposed to settle for "staging", the ancients might nag me. If it's "staging" or not what I know is it has worked better for me than what's on Debian right now. Now I understand it was never their priority to get more people used to Windows using this ancient operating system telling me that my computer is the one that is ancient.

I have it set up on BL Beryllium but works well because it's the old Wine v5 and I like to use 32-bit Windows software. (Yes, even the FabFilter plug-ins work like they're supposed to here.) Unfortunately, it cannot be the only one in my mind. Before March-2022 I couldn't go online and didn't even know what Arch Linux was. Spoiled for choice for a while longer so I'm going to take advantage of it.

taberacci · 2023-04-09 09:14:46

ROSA v12.4 "Fresh" is also this way, has Wine "staging" v8.4. >sigh<

So it's not a Debian nor "Wine-repack" issue, it's how those payware plug-ins draw their GUI. Some programs I guess love Windows98 and WindowsXP too much.

Colonel Panic · 2024-11-08 13:54:47

The updated version, for Wine 9;

https://computingforgeeks.com/how-to-in … t=cmp-true

(I can't actually see any differences from the Wine 8 instructions,but I'm posting the new version here anyway just in case there are any.)

Last edited by Colonel Panic (2024-11-08 15:18:16)

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