Update for "Basic Introduction to jgmenu on BL Lithium" Work Thread

johnraff · 2024-09-14 06:02:27

This image taken via xfce4-screenshot still works, sort of. ("New tab" doesn't, but the link does.)
(same behaviour on chromium)

Maybe Damo's images have a curse on them?

Or Imgur are going through a Difficult Time?

Or maybe something happens to anonymous uploaded images after a certain number of years?

Whatever, good reason to make backup copies of images we use in tutorials on GitHub or somewhere.

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johnraff · 2024-09-14 06:25:58

This one seems OK - made via the menu "Quick Screenshot"

Firefox "open in new tab" doesn't work, but the direct link to the full-sized image does.
Could it be jpg vs png??

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johnraff · 2024-09-14 06:37:39

Possibly related although it's from last year:
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/04 … ext-month/
Maybe Imgur have been taking their time with the cleanout?

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johnraff · 2024-10-02 05:26:37

r.chaffee53 wrote:

^ The first image of Part 4; I can't figure how to run the example.
The last image, Part 5.
Bob

Still not sure what's happening to Imgur, but we got distracted away from finishing off this project.

I'll have another look at Damo's original thread and see what can be done to fix those last two images.

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johnraff · 2024-10-02 06:16:09

johnraff wrote:

Something's happened to imgur. This image displays OK here in the forum post but if you try to view it directly on imgur it doesn't work. Neither the link nor the thumbnail, eg "Open Image in New Tab" - both go to imgur's home page.
https://imgur.com/55kYrU2m.jpg
This seems to be something new.

But in firefox, right-click the image and "Save Image as" downloads the thumbnail, and "Save Link as" downloads the fullsized image!

Try it on this one:

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johnraff · 2024-10-02 07:26:50

r.chaffee53 wrote:

^ The first image of Part 4; I can't figure how to run the example.

OK for that you have to search out my-pipemenu earlier in the post, paste it into a file, make it executable and put it in ~/bin.
Similarly for xkb-pipemenu which is used inside that demo menu.
(EDIT: I see now that you've already found those two files and used them in earlier sections.)

Also:

cp ~/.config/jgmenu/{,my-}jgmenurc

and edit my-jgmenurc.

Then the demo will run.

To make a screenshot I had to preceed the command with a 'sleep 3' to give me time to hide the terminal before the menu popped up.

sleep 3; my-pipemenu | jgmenu --simple --config-file='~/.config/jgmenu/my-jgmenurc'

And launch the screenshooter before that so the menu doesn't lose focus, but with a 10s delay to be sure the menu is being displayed when it fires.

I've put in a temporary image as proof of concept but my desktop dimensions are different from yours, and splattered with all kinds of distracting stuff so it might be better if you took the screenshot yourself.

I've also edited the sample snippet of jgmenu config that goes there to reflect Boron rather than Lithium.

Yes it's a lot of work...

I'll have a look at the other image tomorrow.

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johnraff · 2024-10-03 07:56:30

r.chaffee53 wrote:

The last image, Part 5.

I re-uploaded the image so now it's clickable again:

I've copied this new url into the draught post too, below the original one so you can compare.
I don't know how you get the right indentation though...

I suggest using this as-is without trying to redo all Damo's instructions for the aliases menu and taking a fresh screenshot on Boron wallpaper. Way more trouble than it's worth IMO.

r.chaffee53 · 2024-10-03 14:02:52

^ Send it.

Thanks everyone.

Bob

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johnraff · 2024-10-04 06:51:08

Great stuff!

Time to move the post to its rightful place in "Getting Started". Give me a few minutes...

Many thanks Bob.

johnraff · 2024-10-04 07:00:19

OK it's now here: https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=9173

hhh · 2024-10-04 15:55:07

johnraff wrote:

Many thanks Bob.

My thanks as well, you put a lot of work into this!

r.chaffee53 · 2024-10-04 18:32:41

^ ^^
BL et al are most welcome.
Three things I look for in a disrto.
Obviously the OS itself; the forum, active and friendly; current documentation. The latter looked like a good place to contribute. @johnraff Thanks for your help.

Bob

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johnraff · 2024-10-05 00:24:10

Documentation is usually the weak point all over the Linux world. It's a great place for people to contribute.

marens · 2024-10-05 01:20:09

^ I agree, but people rightly expect that from moderators, especially when the dev team is as small as here.
The more posts like this, the less requests for help.

I think this or similar posts are missing:

Installation *
The first 10 (or 15 or 20) things after installation * ...

Bob is doing a great job and deserves congratulations.

Note:
* whole process with images

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r.chaffee53 · 2024-10-05 15:16:55

For this project, I set up a separate computer with BL. I didn't want to use my daily driver, instead wanting to be sure the examples would run on the default install. After the project stalled for several weeks, I repurposed the machine.

With @johnraff's latest appeal to finish this, the best I could on short notice was to create the needed image by copying the important part of his example image and pasting it in a copy of the blank default desktop. The scale is off, the original screen was smaller. But it's passable.

The original plan was to completely rearrange Section Five. Currently, the aliases example comes first with a link to an extensive tutorial. Followed by an example for a print screen menu, with no image. I want to put the easier, screenshot example first with a newly created image. Then rework the link to the extensive tutorial so it doesn't look like a underline; using that nice image from @demo to finish the piece.

Throughout the original tutorial, underlining for emphasis was used frequently. It's annoying to have to mouse over an underline to see if it's a link. I removed them from all but Section Five, which I hadn't reworked yet. It's there now if the reader would like to see. Also not finished is the change of hierarchy half way thru the work as previously mentioned.

With the welcome new interest from @johnraff, the project was completed (enough), moved to the Getting Started Section of the forum. I noticed I still had write privileges after the move, and corrected a punctuation error.

With that in mind, I set up another development machine with the intent to complete the prior plans for the work. I recreated Section Five as per the new plans. I went to update the piece, and found the permissions have been changed.

My OCD is crying out to finish the work, I am dependent on the Elders for that to happen.

Thanks for reading.

Bob

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hhh · 2024-10-05 23:10:05

r.chaffee53 wrote:

Bob
https://i.imgur.com/kaBIGR3t.png

Hey, I get that reference.

johnraff · 2024-10-06 03:13:12

r.chaffee53 wrote:

With the welcome new interest from @johnraff...

The interest was always there, but I had a number of other pots on the stove, some BL and some IRL. Sorry, but things sometimes take longer than we'd like.

...the project was completed (enough), moved to the Getting Started Section of the forum. I noticed I still had write privileges after the move, and corrected a punctuation error.
With that in mind, I set up another development machine with the intent to complete the prior plans for the work. I recreated Section Five as per the new plans. I went to update the piece, and found the permissions have been changed.

That might have been because I set the thread to [Closed] so it wouldn't get clogged up with comments and queries. I've un-closed it now - would you like to have another try at editing it?

r.chaffee53 · 2024-10-06 11:56:42

That might have been because I set the thread to [Closed] so it wouldn't get clogged up with comments and queries. I've un-closed it now - would you like to have another try at editing it?

Yes that worked. Thank you.

For those interested in how the sausage is made.
The demo for the image at the start of Sec. Four needs more path. Let me explain. There was, and maybe still is, a saying back in the early days, not to have the programmer write the documentation. Because they are too familiar with the work and make assumptions that don't work for the novice reader.

Example: tutorials that start with, "Select the 'xyz' option and..." where xyz is two layers down in the menu system; a system the novice reader is unfamiliar with. One of the many good parts of @damo's work is the full path is given in every example; both for the file system and the menu system.

The part of Sect. Four in question needs something along the lines of, "Building on the 'abc' example above, one can..." Some kind of path... Or maybe is just me being an overly literal nerd (guilty), I made no connection with Sec. Four and the work that came before it. At least 'more path' won't hurt.

Thanks for reading.

Bob - A verb; Something one can do with apples.

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johnraff · 2024-10-07 01:35:03

r.chaffee53 wrote:

The demo for the image at the start of Sec. Four needs more path....
The part of Sect. Four in question needs something along the lines of, "Building on the 'abc' example above, one can..." Some kind of path... Or maybe is just me being an overly literal nerd (guilty), I made no connection with Sec. Four and the work that came before it. At least 'more path' won't hurt.

If you'd like to expand the explanation a bit then I'm sure some new users would appreciate it. Anyone who'd jumped straight in to Part 4 would have no idea where 'my-pipemenu' was coming from.

But you've already done a mountain of work on this so it's totally up to you.

r.chaffee53 · 2024-10-07 02:34:15

Updating my thinking;

The image I conjured up looks pretty good, let's go with it.

It was just me, the demo at Sec. Four makes sense and needs no further work. Chalk it up to the short term memory of an old man.

I have everything else I wanted to update finished. The last thing I'd like to do is make a new image for the first example of Sec. Five. I'll squeeze it in around some other things in the next couple of days. If you would like to close the thread now and be so kind as to insert the new image in a couple of days, that works for me.

I really enjoyed these projects for BL. Good for the distro. Good for keeping an old man's mind sharp. I am thoroughly satisfied with the work. A hundred years ago, long before everything went digital, I did paste up for an ad agency. I find this kind of editing enjoyable.

Thanks for reading.

Bob

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