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Zepher · 2024-06-26 21:36:48

^ I agree and have back problems too. Sending my best wishes @altman, get well soon.

altman · 2024-06-26 22:55:31

Colonel Panic wrote:

Thanks for replying altman (and hhh, for the tip). Altman hope you feel better soon.
One thing I like about Debian, and distros based on it, is that you can update it from even quite a long way back and it will still work without a hitch (I recently updated a version of Spiral which was based on Debian Oldstable and it's still working fine). As I found out recently, you can't do this with OpenSUSE Tumbleweed, and you can't with Arch or several other distros.

Thx, appreciated @Colonel Panic & @Zepher, it s a pain you know where ! lol

Yep, Debian & all could be maintained for quite some time, with the appropriate repos !

Colonel Panic · 2024-06-27 16:32:24

Hi Altman,

True, but I'm referring to something slightly different - the size of the gap between when you last updated a distro (or when it was created, if you've just installed it) and the date when you carry out a distro update or upgrade, and it still works stably and reliably. Even within Debian some branches are better at this than others - Debian Unstable needs to be updated very frequently for example or things will start to break, whereas even Debian Oldstable can be updated straight from first installation without a problem.

Similarly, within OpenSUSE Leap is better at this than Tumbleweed. A new version of Leap (15.6) has just been released but from the review I read on Distrowatch not a lot has changed since the last release so I'm probably going to stick with that one (15.5). I'm a big fan of Leap; not much goes wrong with it at all, just as it doesn't with Debian Stable, and the only price you pay for this is that you have to use slightly out of date versions of software.

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Colonel Panic · 2024-06-29 18:25:16

I've just installed a couple more distros, both of which seem to be working well; Bodhi 7.0.0 (with additional apps) and the gaming distro Nobara 39. Nobara in particular is huge and the updates seem to take forever even though 39 (it's based on Fedora 39) is the latest version.

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XanII · 2024-06-29 18:42:40

Did the stupid today and installed Arch on a 64gb memory card.
I am not quite sure it is worth going further from there. Not sure i want to decide each and every package there is after doing the install with only some basics like browsers and editors etc.

Getting that neofetch window might not be worth it when that xfce i installed looks like it's holding together with duct tape.

Maybe i should try MX again a bit with better time now to figure out why it is so popular. Not that Bunsen is going anywhere. All works here now. Only issue is disk space lost when i tried to grab some from swap and move to / and it didn't quite go right.

altman · 2024-06-29 18:53:53

Colonel Panic wrote:

Hi Altman,
True, but I'm referring to something slightly different - the size of the gap between when you last updated a distro (or when it was created, if you've just installed it) and the date when you carry out a distro update or upgrade, and it still works stably and reliably. Even within Debian some branches are better at this than others - Debian Unstable needs to be updated very frequently for example or things will start to break, whereas even Debian Oldstable can be updated straight from first installation without a problem.
Similarly, within OpenSUSE Leap is better at this than Tumbleweed. A new version of Leap (15.6) has just been released but from the review I read on Distrowatch not a lot has changed since the last release so I'm probably going to stick with that one (15.5). I'm a big fan of Leap; not much goes wrong with it at all, just as it doesn't with Debian Stable, and the only price you pay for this is that you have to use slightly out of date versions of software.

Oh makes sense concerni g Debian s .

Not much into OpenSuse, but it makes some great apps.

I mean that I haven t installd it in years, maybe 10 or so if not more ! lol

altman · 2024-06-29 18:55:10

Colonel Panic wrote:

I've just installed a couple more distros, both of which seem to be working well; Bodhi 7.0.0 (with additional apps) and the gaming distro Nobara 39. Nobara in particular is huge and the updates seem to take forever even thoigh 39 (it's based on Fedora 39) is the katest version.

Cool, Bodhi s on my list when I ll order some more SSDs I ll install it & see if I do like it or not, we never know.

I ll also install BL s latest testing distro on , that way I ll compare it to current BL s .

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Colonel Panic · 2024-06-29 19:27:25

Excellent! Bodhi is based on Ubuntu LTS (22.04 at the moment). It's got a very nice looking desktop, Moksha, which is based ion the Enlightenment window manager.

Here's what it looks like when installed, though if this isn't to your taste you've got a bunch of themes to choose from;

https://www.bodhilinux.com/trial/wp-con … png?x44384

darknetmatrix · 2024-06-30 08:28:29

There is also a Bodhi based on Debian called debodhi

https://sourceforge.net/projects/bodhil … .0.0-beta/

unklar · 2024-06-30 13:07:15

systemd's alternative to sudo --> run0

Works. Incorrect password is rejected. A third possibility. I use doas.

Colonel Panic · 2024-07-01 19:45:50

Coming back to OpenSUSE; I know it is comparatively unloved these days and even the Gecko dev, who has used OpenSUSE as a basis for his own distro, is now telling people to migrate to Debian instead.

I will continue to use OpenSUSE Leap though because unlike other distros I've used recently it just works reliably and gets the job done, and you can update it after a decent interval with no problems.

@unklar; thanks, I'm going to look into run0. It looks very capable;

https://linux-audit.com/systemd/run0-in … and-usage/

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unklar · 2024-07-02 08:28:24

Colonel Panic wrote:

Coming back to OpenSUSE; I know it is comparatively unloved these days and even the Gecko dev, who has used OpenSUSE as a basis for his own distro, is now telling people to migrate to Debian instead.
I will continue to use OpenSUSE Leap though because unlike other distros I've used recently it just works reliably and gets the job done, and you can update it after a decent interval with no problems.
@unklar; thanks, I'm going to look into run0. It looks very capable;
https://linux-audit.com/systemd/run0-in … and-usage/

Thanks for the link. I didn't know it yet.

yak · 2024-07-02 10:16:13

Colonel Panic wrote:

it is comparatively unloved these days and even the Gecko dev, who has used OpenSUSE as a basis for his own distro, is now telling people to migrate to Debian instead.

It seems like I'm out of the loop! What happened with OpenSUSE?

Colonel Panic · 2024-07-02 16:34:39

Here's a Reddit thread on just that topic. My impression is that it comes down to poor marketing;

https://www.reddit.com/r/openSUSE/comme … unpopular/

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hhh · 2024-07-02 19:21:13

Colonel Panic wrote:

Here's a Reddit thread on just that topic. My impression is that it comes down to poor marketing;
https://www.reddit.com/r/openSUSE/comme … unpopular/

I don't see any comment from the dev of GeckoLinux & SpiralLinux recommending Debian over OpenSuse. Did I miss it?

Colonel Panic · 2024-07-02 20:49:56

hhh wrote:

Colonel Panic wrote:
Here's a Reddit thread on just that topic. My impression is that it comes down to poor marketing;
https://www.reddit.com/r/openSUSE/comme … unpopular/
I don't see any comment from the dev of GeckoLinux & SpiralLinux recommending Debian over OpenSuse. Did I miss it?

No, it's not there hhh but he definitely says something to that effect on the Gecko forum. I'll see if I can find it.

Colonel Panic · 2024-07-02 20:56:19

Here are a couple of threads where the dev recommends switching to Spiral; there may be others, but the forum isn't very easy to search for posts (unlike this one)

https://github.com/geckolinux/geckolinu … ssions/514

https://github.com/geckolinux/geckolinu … ssions/503

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hhh · 2024-07-02 21:39:57

^ Thanks, That's odd, though... openSuse has their End of Life standards for Leap posted here...

https://en.opensuse.org/Lifetime

yak · 2024-07-03 09:50:22

Thanks for the links. Yeah, I feel like OpenSUSE it's doing a bit of a mess lately with all this changing and splitting.
I never liked it that much, but now it just feels unapproachable to me

Colonel Panic · 2024-07-03 12:25:37

hhh wrote:

^ Thanks, That's odd, though... openSuse has their End of Life standards for Leap posted here...
https://en.opensuse.org/Lifetime

Thanks hhh. The imminence of December 2024 (the expected EOL for Leap 15.5) doesn't bother me; I'll switch to something else if I can't update to 15.6 although I should be able to. The people it will affect most (and probably the people gecko has in mind - I should ask him really) are those people who want to be able to put a distro on their machine and run it exclusively for years on end with nothing but periodic upgrades.

OpenSUSE Slowroll, which updates every month, also looks promising although it's still in the experimental stage;

https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Slowroll

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