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johnraff · 2024-04-16 05:06:32

johnraff wrote:

It's very confusing that "apt" the user-friendly front end, and "apt" the mechanism that handles Debian package installs, both have the same name.

el_koraco wrote:

johnraff wrote:
So I guess here you are referring to "apt", the APT front-end?
I was referring primarily to the apt we use to install stuff via the command line. But also to the whole system.

QED

libapt-* is the library to interface with dpkg, handle dependency resolution, send commands to download stuff and so on. Nala uses something called python-apt, I don't know whether it is the author's API, or whether it's already part of the Debian project.

Nala and python-apt are both Debian packages, python-apt has been around since at least Buster:
https://packages.debian.org/search?suit … python-apt
But now its Debian name is python3-apt:
https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/python3-apt
and in turn it uses libapt-pkg (dep: libapt-pkg6.0 )
so Nala is using the same basic apt library as the other APT frontends. I guess going via python lets it be more sophisticated in its user interface.

el_koraco · 2024-04-16 05:53:41

johnraff wrote:

I guess going via python lets it be more sophisticated in its user interface.

And slower in presenting the results, but so so hot, almost as hot as my Mercedes CLK from 1999.

On another note, I am hereby informing the community that I have started fiddling with pacstall, homebrew, installed Crux Linux in a VM and bought a Raspberry Pi 4 to use as a DNS server for my home network. Wish me luck!

hhh · 2024-04-16 11:21:05

el_koraco wrote:

Nala uses something called python-apt, I don't know whether it is the author's API, or whether it's already part of the Debian project.

python-apt has been in Debian since 2002 (at least)...

https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/python-apt/news/?page=10

And good luck!

el_koraco · 2024-04-16 20:55:41

The good news: Since Crux didn't have internet connectivity in the Gnome Box, and the documentation on the distro is sparse, I had the chance to look at libvirt files, find the driver that the box simulates and recompile the kernel with the module built in. So we got an IP address. Plus my first kernel compilation and recompilation.

The bad news: I can't ping anything, I can't figure out what is wrong with the hosts and resolv.conf file.

The ugly news: I think I'm in love with the distro, so at some point it will get installed on hardware and then I might be moving all my systems to it one by one.

hhh · 2024-04-17 01:34:53

Liar, I saw you ping Google in the scrot thread.

el_koraco wrote:

The good news: Since Crux didn't have internet connectivity in the Gnome Box, and the documentation on the distro is sparse...

The Crux OS slogan, "Keep it simple". It's like Google's now defunct slogan "Don't be evil".

el_koraco · 2024-04-17 04:42:21

hhh wrote:

The Crux OS slogan, "Keep it simple". It's like Google's now defunct slogan "Don't be evil".

It is always one hundred percent a lie. See the 100 percent packet loss on the ping! I think I can change the font to *-*-misc-fixed-* for the console, this will be my thing for today. The distro is really something else, there is zero documentation on it other than the short handbook. Btw, a kernel compile on a -j1 in a Gnome Box on an eighth generation laptop i5 doesn't take more than 20 minutes. My Ryzen 5 can probably do it in four with -j12. It's a good thing i bought a second SSD for that computer, I'll start moving everything to real hardware as soon as I figure shit out. I'm in so much trouble!

EDIT 30 MINUTES LATER: Oh, this just means I can't ping google, ports and prt-get work. So, so much trouble...

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johnraff · 2024-04-17 05:39:36

My guru K. Mandla used Crux linux, after Ubuntu then Arch. These links are old (newest is 2010), but just in case there's a networking hint in there somewhere:
https://kmandla.wordpress.com/?s=crux+linux

hhh · 2024-04-17 06:12:30

https://slackalaxy.com/2022/12/20/crux- … -a-distro/

Networking (I'm sure you've seen this)...

https://crux.nu/Main/Handbook3-7#ntoc24

But maybe not this...

https://slackalaxy.com/2024/02/04/tradi … #more-6873

Also...

https://github.com/ruxr/CRUX

I have no idea what I'm talking about.

unklar · 2024-04-17 08:07:05

el_koraco wrote:

The bad news: I can't ping anything, I can't figure out what is wrong with the hosts and resolv.conf file.

Maybe the ip of the name resolution is broken.
I remember that I had to create the /etc/resolv.conf by hand to get into the network because the symlink didn't work.

el_koraco · 2024-04-17 15:15:05

unklar wrote:

el_koraco wrote:
The bad news: I can't ping anything, I can't figure out what is wrong with the hosts and resolv.conf file.
Maybe the ip of the name resolution is broken.
I remember that I had to create the /etc/resolv.conf by hand to get into the network because the symlink didn't work.

Whatever it is, it doesn't matter that much now, since the port management system (they call it prt-get as a kudos to apt) works. Meaning it is rebuilding the whole system, during which I can't do anything else. I will then recompile to the newest kernel from the kernel tree, set up scrotwm and get to falling in love even more. As I said, it's serious trouble. Update on the Pi - my buddy is 3D printing a case for it as we speak. I'll post pictures when it arrives. I will likely start work on my first pacstall script tonight, time permitting.

John, thanks for the link man! What do you mean by guru?

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Colonel Panic · 2024-04-17 23:05:14

I've just installed the beta version of the forthcoming edition of OpenSUSE Leap, 15.6. It's admittedly early days yet but so far I can't see any problems with it as long as you stick to the standard repositories. Opi, OpenSUSE's enhanced package manager that installs programs not normally accessible from the repositories, doesn't seem to work yet though.

In summary, I think it's best to stick with 15.5 for now if you want to use Leap.

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shortarcflyer · 2024-04-23 23:39:26

EndeavourOS is out with a new release by the name of Gemini. Downloading it now to test it out. If all goes good with it I have a spot for it on my new 1TB hard drive arriving in a day or so. :-)

https://endeavouros.com/

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hhh · 2024-04-24 01:58:42

I tried to build Cosmic on my system...

https://github.com/pop-os/cosmic-epoch

I gave it up when the build had reached 23G of disk space and was still going. I think it would have taken 32 gigs to finish, screw that.

altman · 2024-04-24 10:45:24

hhh wrote:

I tried to build Cosmic on my system...
https://github.com/pop-os/cosmic-epoch
I gave it up when the build had reached 23G of disk space and was still going. I think it would have taken 32 gigs to finish, screw that.

Gee, almost in the M$ s size.

shortarcflyer · 2024-04-25 00:33:16

The proof is in the pudding. EndeavourOS with openbox wm installed on my testing laptop.

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Martin · 2024-04-25 21:44:06

Anyone tested Guix?
https://guix.gnu.org/

/Martin

altman · 2024-04-25 22:02:14

Martin wrote:

Anyone tested Guix?
https://guix.gnu.org/
/Martin

Thx for sharing @Martin, never heard of that distro before.

hhh · 2024-04-26 01:22:17

altman wrote:

Martin wrote:
Anyone tested Guix?
https://guix.gnu.org/
/Martin
Thx for sharing @Martin, never heard of that distro before.

The "All Packages" and "Packages" links both time out ATM, "504".

altman · 2024-04-26 11:26:09

It works on my end, but I might have tried much later than you did, & I wonder where s the All Packages link mentionned above @hhh

https://packages.guix.gnu.org/

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shortarcflyer · 2024-04-26 13:44:46

Recieved my 1TB hard drive yesterday and installed it in my laptop. Spent most of the day installing distros and setting them up the way I prefer them. Screenshot of drive with distros installed.

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