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el_koraco · 2024-04-05 08:20:49

Colonel Panic wrote:

el_koraco wrote:
Colonel Panic wrote:
Thanks, I'll have a look at those. I like console-based apps too for some things, the trouble is that Thunderbird makes setting up a new e-mail account so easy by comparison with most of the other e-mail clients I've seen.
Thunderbird + Evolution >> everything else
Maybe, but the advantage Mutt has is that if you use a terminal-based text editor like vim or neovim for much of your text editing (as I do), Mutt allows you to write, edit and post your messages directly without having to save, reopen, copy and then paste them into a window before they can be sent.

Mutt is great, but when you use email as your main tool for work, Evolution is unbeatable. I have to give a shout out to Microsoft, Outlook is actually a good email client, but Evolution is better.

PackRat · 2024-04-05 09:45:58

el_koraco wrote:

I have to give a shout out to Microsoft, Outlook is actually a good email client

Not any more - https://proton.me/blog/outlook-is-micro … on-service

Colonel Panic · 2024-04-05 11:37:06

el_koraco wrote:

Colonel Panic wrote:
el_koraco wrote:
Thunderbird + Evolution >> everything else
Maybe, but the advantage Mutt has is that if you use a terminal-based text editor like vim or neovim for much of your text editing (as I do), Mutt allows you to write, edit and post your messages directly without having to save, reopen, copy and then paste them into a window before they can be sent.
Mutt is great, but when you use email as your main tool for work, Evolution is unbeatable. I have to give a shout out to Microsoft, Outlook is actually a good email client, but Evolution is better.

Thanks for replying. I tried Evolution but for some reason my "Sent" messages didn't display - maybe I didn't set the right variable?

I've been banging the drum here recently for Epyrus, an e-mail client which is being developed by some of the Pale Moon devs. It's based on Thunderbird 52 and has the same classic interface which, for me, is clear and easy to understand and use.

www.epyrus.org

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Sector11 · 2024-04-06 17:32:40

PackRat wrote:

el_koraco wrote:
I have to give a shout out to Microsoft, Outlook is actually a good email client
Not any more - https://proton.me/blog/outlook-is-micro … on-service

I'm shifting to Proton over time.

DeepDayze · 2024-04-07 00:13:13

Sector11 wrote:

PackRat wrote:
el_koraco wrote:
I have to give a shout out to Microsoft, Outlook is actually a good email client
Not any more - https://proton.me/blog/outlook-is-micro … on-service
I'm shifting to Proton over time.

I have Proton and it's secure and solid. The free account is all I need for basic features and gives a gig of space.

On Windows I use Thunderbird and thanks for the warning about MS Outlook.

shortarcflyer · 2024-04-07 03:54:42

DSL 2024 installed on a spare laptop. It is the only debian based disto I have installed on any pc I own. Check that minimal use of memory!

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Colonel Panic · 2024-04-07 06:59:21

DeepDayze wrote:

Sector11 wrote:
PackRat wrote:
Not any more - https://proton.me/blog/outlook-is-micro … on-service
I'm shifting to Proton over time.
I have Proton and it's secure and solid. The free account is all I need for basic features and gives a gig of space.
On Windows I use Thunderbird and thanks for the warning about MS Outlook.

(and Sector11) Thanks for the info about Proton, I;ll probably look into it soon.

In other news; I've downloaded a lightweight Fedora spin, Fedora LXDE, which uses Midori as its main browser and abiword, gnumeric and osmo as its "office suite". It works well as a live disk but all three of the attempts I've made to install it have failed, so I can't really recommend it unfortunately.

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unklar · 2024-04-07 08:18:48

Colonel Panic wrote:

(and Sector11) Thanks for the info about Proton, I;ll probably look into it soon.

For me, nothing beats claws-mail. Absolutely solid.

Fedora LXDE = Link?

Colonel Panic · 2024-04-07 08:27:19

Sure;

https://fedoraproject.org/spins/lxde/

That having been said, if you want to run Fedora but don't want to run the official (Gnome-based) version, I can recommend from my own experience either the Cinnamon spin or Ultramarine, a Fedora-based distro which uses Budgie as its window manager and also adds a few extra tweaks to make it easier to run, in addition to all the multimedia codecs (it's got a very nice interface and selection of wallpaper too).

https://fedoraproject.org/spins/cinnamon/

https://ultramarine-linux.org/

In other news, I've just installed Devuan 5.0 Daedalus init-diversity edition and it's working well;

https://www.reddit.com/r/devuan/comment … ion_amd64/

(link in first post).

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el_koraco · 2024-04-13 19:58:23

not distro hopping per se, but I started using nala. It's awesome, I'm sure it will replace apt by Debian 15 or so.

altman · 2024-04-13 20:13:36

el_koraco wrote:

not distro hopping per se, but I started using nala. It's awesome, I'm sure it will replace apt by Debian 15 or so.

Is that that front end that you re talking about! @el_koraco;unless it s something completely different;

https://github.com/volitank/nala

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hhh · 2024-04-14 04:52:06

Yes, it's an apt front-end...

https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/nala

It won't be default unless they add a few switches. There is no --reinstall option and no --no-install-recommends either, as far as I can tell. That said, I use it a lot.

unklar · 2024-04-14 08:34:57

nala has no chance with me. Especially not when I think of the past 64-bit time_transition.

hhh · 2024-04-14 11:54:27

Funny regarding nala, I woke up to an article about improvements coming to apt...

https://www.phoronix.com/news/Debian-APT-2.9-Released

el_koraco · 2024-04-14 18:50:25

hhh wrote:

Funny regarding nala, I woke up to an article about improvements coming to apt...
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Debian-APT-2.9-Released

Still no parallel downloads, even shitty dnf has that. I'm switching, I'm only gonna use apt for a dist upgrade to Trixie, but I'm sold. It's so sexy.

johnraff · 2024-04-15 03:03:59

It's very confusing that "apt" the user-friendly front end, and "apt" the mechanism that handles Debian package installs, both have the same name.

el_koraco · 2024-04-15 05:40:41

johnraff wrote:

It's very confusing that "apt" the user-friendly front end, and "apt" the mechanism that handles Debian package installs, both have the same name.

I think the core packages are not called apt per se, but libapt-pkg and so on. That being said, I love apt, it's the best package managing system out there, bar none. I don't even think nala will really replace apt, they will just merge functions at some point.

johnraff · 2024-04-15 06:14:23

Yes the building bricks are libapt-whatever along with apt-get, apt-cache... and of course then relying on dpkg, but APT has long been used to refer to the whole Advanced Package Tool. Maybe the upper-case distinction is important?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APT_(software)
https://debian-handbook.info/browse/sta … t-get.html

Then "apt", the cli front-end intended to make apt-get more useful to regular users appeared...

I don't even think nala will really replace apt, they will just merge functions at some point.

So I guess here you are referring to "apt", the APT front-end?

el_koraco · 2024-04-15 08:34:08

johnraff wrote:

Yes the building bricks are libapt-whatever along with apt-get, apt-cache... and of course then relying on dpkg, but APT has long been used to refer to the whole Advanced Package Tool. Maybe the upper-case distinction is important?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APT_(software)
https://debian-handbook.info/browse/sta … t-get.html
Then "apt", the cli front-end intended to make apt-get more useful to regular users appeared...
I don't even think nala will really replace apt, they will just merge functions at some point.
So I guess here you are referring to "apt", the APT front-end?

I was referring primarily to the apt we use to install stuff via the command line. But also to the whole system. libapt-* is the library to interface with dpkg, handle dependency resolution, send commands to download stuff and so on. Nala uses something called python-apt, I don't know whether it is the author's API, or whether it's already part of the Debian project.

Colonel Panic · 2024-04-15 08:52:16

I'm impressed with SlackEX, Exton's take on Slackware 15; it comes in two different versions and I've installed the KDE-based one. I've just added XFce to it from a Slack 15 iso and a couple of Slackbuilds including Conky and Osmo (plus LibreOffice 7.6), and so far with no problems at all.

Exton has also added the Refracta snapshot utility to SlackEX, so if you want to you can create your own customised iso from what you've installed on your hard drive. Grub-efi-amd64 and dosfstools both need to be installed if the snapshot is to be UEFI compatible though, and it is also recommended that you have plenty of free space where the snapshot is to be built (about double the amount of space that the distro currently takes up on your hard drive).

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