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#61 2024-02-01 09:13:06

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Re: [FINISHED] Boron Release Candidate isos available

Another thing which doesn't deserve its own thread, most (all?) the tint2 configs contain the following, at around line 226:
# See 'man strftime' for other time and date formats

The problem being that 'man strftime' doesn't produce any output. Maybe it should be 'man date'?

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#62 2024-02-01 09:26:31

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Re: [FINISHED] Boron Release Candidate isos available

'man date' is probably good enough.
It seems to me that man strftime used to be available on a Debian system, though you can still find it on the internet.


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#63 2024-02-01 09:27:13

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Re: [FINISHED] Boron Release Candidate isos available

hhh wrote:

My vote, all three in.

'K


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#64 2024-03-25 08:47:32

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Re: [FINISHED] Boron Release Candidate isos available

I don't mean to sound like that particular kind of dummy who starts pointless arguments over ISO size.  So please don't read this in that voice big_smile  As a point of focus, I am wondering what the technical reasons are for the (32-bit) install ISO jumping from ~700MB as it was in the past to the near 1.25GB it is now.

As an aside: I use this distribution as my primary and preferred choice.  I've consistently recommended it to friends, colleagues, family.  I've even got a handful of folks who've never used Linux to start with BunsenLabs, and across the board they've all discussed at length with me how liberating the experience is.  It has rock solid stability, a low profile, and an extensive community for support.  It works very well on 32-bit based systems.  It's not a generally very common problem, but there are still a number of systems out there that don't offer booting support from USB sticks... or DVDs.  Some only boot from CD, else whatever their BIOS/EFI can find on a connected hard-drive.  And I'd be willing to bet that the kinds of folks still relying on machines that don't offer USB or DVD boot... those folks probably don't have the resources required to install a BunsenLabs setup on a hard drive via an external machine and then swap it over.  Could be that the only machine they have is a singluar, limited-boot-support hunk'r'junk.  How have other communities dealt with this in the past, I wonder?


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#65 2024-03-25 16:11:01

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Re: [FINISHED] Boron Release Candidate isos available

Hey @tamberoo, thanks for your support of BunsenLabs!

This question should probably be split into its own thread, but we'll leave it here for now. Also, it's been a long while since I built the BunsenLabs ISOs, @johnraff has that task now. Check back in half a day when he posts here (he's in Japan). I'll let him address the increase in ISO size but (IIRC) it boils down to each release of Debian itself becoming increasingly heavy.

It is still possible to install BunsenLabs from CD via @johnraff's netinstall script! In brief, you download and install the Debian bookworn i386 netinstall ISO and install BL on top of that via the command line...

https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=8437

That post needs updating as it's over a year old, here is where you can download the 32-bit Debian CD netinstall image (click i386)...

https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ … installer/

Even better, use the bittorrent link...

https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/cu … 386/bt-cd/

I have time today to check the install process on a virtual machine (it'll be fun!), so hold off until I post back, and I'd recommend waiting further until the man himself responds.

big_smile


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#66 2024-03-25 17:28:46

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Re: [FINISHED] Boron Release Candidate isos available

Update: Those instructions are solid...

~ Leave the root password blank when installing Debian, and you can skip scanning for extra files (non-free is included). Boot to new OS.
~ Login, sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
~ wget https://ddl.bunsenlabs.org/ddl/bunsen-release.asc
~ sudo cp bunsen-release.asc /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d
~ nano to edit debian sources.list and add bunsen.list
~ sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade (brings in a few bunsen packages)
~ sudo apt install --no-install-recommends bunsen-meta-all
~ sudo reboot
~ Bask in all that aqua glory!

the 32-bit netinstall CD image is under 700 MB (of course) and the final BL install is under 4G of disk space and uses under 600M of RAM.

big_smile


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#67 2024-03-26 02:58:08

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Re: [FINISHED] Boron Release Candidate isos available

@hhh has posted everything I was going to say, basically. cool

These days, installing bunsen-meta-all will do pretty much everything that the netinstall script does, so hhh's instructions above do it. I'm just going to do I've done a final checkover of the netinstall script so that's an alternative to using the metapackage. The main advantage of the script is that it allows customization if the user edits the files in the downloaded directory before running the install script.

The 32bit CDROM sized iso was last available for BL Lithium. At that time we had to use every trick in the book to squeeze it down to 706.7MB. Just leaving out packages has its limits because the built file system is packed in a squashfs file which is highly compressed, so a couple, or even a lot, of packages won't make a big difference to the final iso size. Other things like the initrd.gz and the debian-installer package pool bulk it up anyway. As @hhh said, every Debian version increases the base system size. We could strip more and more things out, but could we then call what's left "BunsenLabs"? I think the metapackage or netinstall script are better options for 32bit machines now. (It might be interesting to look at a minimal meta-bunsen-base metapackage some day though?)

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#68 2024-03-26 04:06:51

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Re: [FINISHED] Boron Release Candidate isos available

johnraff wrote:

The 32bit CDROM sized iso was last available for BL Lithium. At that time we had to use every trick in the book to squeeze it down to 706.7MB.

Lithium was based on Debian buster...

https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdima … 86/iso-cd/

The Debian 32-bit CD netinstall image for buster was, as you can see from that link, 429 MB (out of about 700 for a typical CD-R disk). The same Debian image for bookworm...

https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/cu … 86/iso-cd/

643 MB. Then add Xorg, a display manager, a GUI file manager, a GUI terminal and an icon set and I think you're already out of space. Maybe enough room for a jpeg wallpaper. tongue


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#69 2024-03-26 04:23:19

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Re: [FINISHED] Boron Release Candidate isos available

@johnraff, this is the Release Announcement for Lithium...

https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=6861

The second post, Release Notes, mentions bunsen-meta-lite. Is there an archive of that package list?

Also, here's your previous suggestion of bunsen-meta-base, to refresh our memories...

https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?pid=130730


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#70 2024-03-26 06:46:48

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Re: [FINISHED] Boron Release Candidate isos available

hhh wrote:
johnraff wrote:

The 32bit CDROM sized iso was last available for BL Lithium. At that time we had to use every trick in the book to squeeze it down to 706.7MB.

The Debian 32-bit CD netinstall image for buster was...
429 MB (out of about 700 for a typical CD-R disk).

The same Debian image for bookworm...
643 MB.
Then add Xorg, a display manager, a GUI file manager, a GUI terminal and an icon set and I think you're already out of space. Maybe enough room for a jpeg wallpaper. tongue

That sums it up. In 2024 a Debian-based CDROM installer would be very difficult. Is there such a thing out there anywhere?


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#71 2024-03-26 06:51:42

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Re: [FINISHED] Boron Release Candidate isos available

hhh wrote:

@johnraff, this is the Release Announcement for Lithium...
https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=6861
The second post, Release Notes, mentions bunsen-meta-lite. Is there an archive of that package list?

Sure, it's in the bunsen-meta-all package:
https://github.com/BunsenLabs/bunsen-me … ntrol#L228
Any suggestions for improvements to that list enthusiastically entertained!

Also, here's your previous suggestion of bunsen-meta-base, to refresh our memories...
https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?pid=130730

Oh there's a whole thread on that topic already! I'd pretty much forgotten...


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#72 2024-03-26 13:07:06

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Re: [FINISHED] Boron Release Candidate isos available

Jimbo_G wrote:

Another thing which doesn't deserve its own thread, most (all?) the tint2 configs contain the following, at around line 226:
# See 'man strftime' for other time and date formats

The problem being that 'man strftime' doesn't produce any output. Maybe it should be 'man date'?

Found here

strftime

(PHP 4, PHP 5, PHP 7, PHP 8)

strftime — Format a local time/date according to locale settings

Warning

This function has been DEPRECATED as of PHP 8.1.0. Relying on this function is highly discouraged.

Alternatives to this function include:

    date()
    IntlDateFormatter::format()


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#73 2024-03-29 11:06:42

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Re: [FINISHED] Boron Release Candidate isos available

Checked over the netinstall script so that's still an alternative for installing on old hardware:
https://github.com/BunsenLabs/bunsen-netinstall

Tomorrow I'll crank it up and make sure it actually works on a VM.


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#74 2024-04-07 07:29:52

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Re: [FINISHED] Boron Release Candidate isos available

walter wrote:

I have a (late) suggestion;
https://i.imgur.com/Gz7c3ICt.png

To include in the menu for ARandR an additional 'help listing' that points to the information, locally or online, as is explained here to me;
https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic … 11#p129111

That help item was finally added to the menu in today's upgrade of bunsen-configs.
It points to this post: https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic … 65#p117065


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#75 2024-04-07 07:30:49

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Re: [FINISHED] Boron Release Candidate isos available

johnraff wrote:

Checked over the netinstall script so that's still an alternative for installing on old hardware:
https://github.com/BunsenLabs/bunsen-netinstall

Tomorrow I'll crank it up and make sure it actually works on a VM.

Mañana...

Well, maybe I'll check it out tomorrow.


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#76 2024-04-10 02:40:06

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Re: [FINISHED] Boron Release Candidate isos available

^ The netinstall script checked out OK. One thing that jumped out, though, was that considering it's meant to be an avenue for installing on old hardware, it ought to be offering the option of a 'lite' install as well as 'full'. It shouldn't be hard to add.

Also, a reminder to think about a 'base' install option too.


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#77 2024-04-20 04:53:19

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Re: [FINISHED] Boron Release Candidate isos available

johnraff wrote:

^ The netinstall script checked out OK. One thing that jumped out, though, was that considering it's meant to be an avenue for installing on old hardware, it ought to be offering the option of a 'lite' install as well as 'full'. It shouldn't be hard to add.

The lite option is now available when running the netinstall script. cool


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