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taberacci · 2023-06-03 11:57:30

LOL this forum is more temperamental than I thought. Cannot quote @Colonel_Panic above.

Thank you for looking up about Gecko Linux. But there is no mention of a new ISO for "Rolling", because the one that exists is over nine months old. That is a concern and there are people scared by OpenSUSE that would really like an opportunity to try it out if they could handle a rolling-release distro.

DeepDayze · 2023-06-03 14:24:55

dolly wrote:

Thanks for the mentioning of Spiral Linux guys, unintended probably, but thank you anyway. It might be just what I need? Will take a close look at the GNOME Bookworm edition when it arrives. Are playing around with the current stable live session of GNOME,and it looks promising. It is a little bit too late to install it since we are so close to Debian 12.

You can simply upgrade to Bookworm from the current Spiral ISOs which are based on Bullseye and there's instructions provided how to update to the latest Debian release. So yeah right now with Bookworm's imminent release it won't be too big a step to upgrade.

dolly · 2023-06-04 07:41:37

DeepDayze wrote:

So yeah right now with Bookworm's imminent release it won't be too big a step to upgrade.

You are right about that, this is probably an ideal time for upgrading to Bookworm. However there are two things, first, I have mostly negative experiences with such big upgrades. And if things go bad with GNOME..., well I suspect that it would be too difficult for me. I could try of course, if things go bad they go bad and wait for the release.

Second, and important, would an upgrade now, not exclude eventual improvements from the developer in the next official release?

taberacci · 2023-06-04 11:20:23

I have installed Spiral GNOME. First I updated to the best I could for "Bullseye" v11. Then changed the "sources.list" to target "Bookworm" instead of "Bullseye". Then I did system update again. It's the best that could be done with the same look but with some GNOME things upgraded to v43 or v44. Sadly the mouse click response still isn't as good as with EndeavourOS GNOME v43 which I very sourly miss right now.

Probably I should have given "distro-upgrade" command to "apt" instead of just "upgrade". (shrugs)

Not really a fan of GNOME and I rather prefer the older one that exists for Spiral GNOME right now. The response to the mouse buttons is the only outstanding issue. I like that I could turn extensions on and off locally without ever going online, and without installing spyware or any weak stuff like that, like has to be done now.

EDIT UPDATE: Yes I had to do the "sudo apt full-upgrade" instead of "upgrade" while going from "Bullseye" to "Bookworm". So now I have GNOME v43 instead of the older one!

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Colonel Panic · 2023-06-04 18:41:08

taberacci wrote:

LOL this forum is more temperamental than I thought. Cannot quote @Colonel_Panic above.
Thank you for looking up about Gecko Linux. But there is no mention of a new ISO for "Rolling", because the one that exists is over nine months old. That is a concern and there are people scared by OpenSUSE that would really like an opportunity to try it out if they could handle a rolling-release distro.

Hi again taberacci,

My preference is for Leap because I believe it's more stable, but the Gecko dev(s) say that there's no problem with Tumbleweed either and it's safe to use the existing isos despite the fact they're now several months old. Here's the whole thread again;

https://github.com/geckolinux/geckolinu … nt-5893263

If you don't mind using the unmodified Leap iso, the new one (15.5) is due out sometime next week.

Martin · 2023-06-07 19:24:35

Sound issue of Salix solved. I only had to open the Pulse audio GUI and toggle the mute 'button'.

So far Salix has been a joy to use.

/Martin

DeepDayze · 2023-06-07 19:32:11

Martin wrote:

Sound issue of Salix solved. I only had to open the Pulse audio GUI and toggle the mute 'button'.
So far Salix has been a joy to use.
/Martin

Just one of those "D'oh" moments...good you got sound working!

taberacci · 2023-06-09 07:12:21

I hope other people are having better luck than I am getting a late release of Cinnamon D.E. (not the latest shown now on Distrowatch).

That on a 11-year-old HP laptop.

Because I tried to lift Spiral Cinnamon to "Bookworm" status but it was temperamental. Nemo kept sticking up while I navigated directories. But it's probably because I booted from external disk and I had to restore it via Clonezilla. What a shame (CTRL) key worked in Windows apps through Wine, while in the older distro release it didn't. Unlike with GNOME, the upgrade with Cinnamon changed nothing about the desktop, still had ugly bottom panel and desktop menu. I didn't care to explore further to see if the whole thing was as slow as I suffered with Manjaro and Ubuntu, which had much-better-looking desktops. I would have kept Ubuntu Cinnamon, with Snaps and all (just ignore it or block it), if it didn't make me feel like I needed to buy another computer only to be able to use it. Checked out Liya Linux for the same desktop but I just think they're trying to replicate Linux Mint success which is Arch-based and which is bloated. Don't tell me to try Linux Mint, just don't, it was horrible for me last year.

Because of it I'm never going to upgrade Debian XFCE which started before there was such thing as "Bookworm DI-Alpha". I don't like the talk elsewhere about download situations at "gold date" and originally was going to wait the rest of this month until upgrading. Also I'm happy with what I have with Spiral GNOME, I just don't care about desktop v44 and later. LOL appreciate Debian for not jumping as quickly into GNOME v44 as they did with v43 in September last year...

That Debian XFCE is a work of art, truly unique, although I'm not using it a lot.

Colonel Panic wrote:

If you don't mind using the unmodified Leap iso, the new one (15.5) is due out sometime next week.

"Leap" is already out but cannot use an ISO directly from OpenSUSE because I cannot install to internal HDD. Only if I had "bare metal" to try I would have taken up the offer.

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Martin · 2023-06-13 20:30:53

Returning briefly to my adventure of comparing window managers and desktop environments. After having done that it struck me that maybe I should revisit dwm. I did play around some with dwm many moons ago. I remember liking it but also that there were too many issues, too many programs that did not work well in dwm.

I installed dwm from Debian's repo on my Lenovo x230 and found none or at least very, very few of my old issues were to be found. I also found I still rather like dwm. Life went on and all of a sudden I found I had used dwm for a month. The only 'tweak' I did was to manually start xfce's power manager.

As of today I am back to i3. Over all i3 suits me better but only by the slightest of margins. Time permitting I think I could tailor dwm to take the top position from i3 on this computer.

/Martin

ratcheer · 2023-06-14 14:15:44

I used Openbox for a very long time, then experimented with other wms for a while. I liked spectrwm pretty well and used it for a few months. Then I went back to Openbox.

But for the past two or three years, I have been using Awesome. I really like it. It is easy to make it do things the way I want. Almost everything is in one big configuration file that they say is written in lua. But I didn't have to learn lua in order to make my changes, as all the entries are easy to understand.

DeepDayze · 2023-06-14 15:17:54

Martin wrote:

Returning briefly to my adventure of comparing window managers and desktop environments. After having done that it struck me that maybe I should revisit dwm. I did play around some with dwm many moons ago. I remember liking it but also that there were too many issues, too many programs that did not work well in dwm.
I installed dwm from Debian's repo on my Lenovo x230 and found none or at least very, very few of my old issues were to be found. I also found I still rather like dwm. Life went on and all of a sudden I found I had used dwm for a month. The only 'tweak' I did was to manually start xfce's power manager.
As of today I am back to i3. Over all i3 suits me better but only by the slightest of margins. Time permitting I think I could tailor dwm to take the top position from i3 on this computer.
/Martin

There's patches/mods for dwm floating around I am sure, so that you can customize dwm even more and perhaps even some of your annoyances might already been fixed.

Colonel Panic · 2023-06-19 11:16:19

I'm having a midsummer "refresh" of my hard drive at the moment. Just tried two new distros; the latest OpenSUSE Leap, 15.5, which I think is still a bit rough around the edges (I think Gecko Leap is better, even though it's the previous version, 15.4), and the latest version of CrunchBang++ which is built on Debian 12.

As ever, CrunchBang++ is very faithful to the original concept of CrunchBang, only with up to date libraries and software, and as such works well and is very lightweight.

[Edit: OpenSUSE Leap 15.5 works OK in Gnome or IceWM.]

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johnraff · 2023-06-20 05:44:35

^I'm curious as to how CB++ is more lightweight than BL. Does it install fewer packages by default?
There might be lessons there for us, at least for a lighter 'lite' version.

Colonel Panic · 2023-06-20 07:45:28

johnraff wrote:

^I'm curious as to how CB++ is more lightweight than BL. Does it install fewer packages by default?
There might be lessons there for us, at least for a lighter 'lite' version.

I wouldn't say that it was (more lightweight). There was a speed comparison between CrunchBang++ and Bunsen a while back and there wasn't much in it; I'll see if I can find it.

[Edit: here we go;

https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=8485
]

or1o9 · 2023-06-20 16:08:54

cb++ 12 live session, well it looks basically like Waldorf. The iso is 2GB, comes with some basic tools. Nothing exciting going on. The weird thing is that the welcome script popped up after logging in to the live session. Makes sense of course if one want to really test out the live session I guess.

Everything is just much more basic than BL. To me it feels stale, like there has not been any progression. So for those who just want it like back in the Waldorf days it is perfect. And kind of kudos to the dev for staying true to it, for giving the fans what they want.

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Nili · 2023-06-21 09:25:19

BunsenLabs direction is the right choice for me. Can't stick forever on a Waldorf styles, It would be too boring nowdays imo, BunsenLabs offers variations of themes, conky, menus, backgrounds, fonts and icons.

In today's times, it's worth sacrificing a little memory, i used to tweak very hard my system to stay hardcore minimalistic user, once one reach that line the next day understand that it is boring missing features for fact of a few minimal numbers packages/memory and disks usages stats.

So, i'm for BunsenLabs always look ahead.

If the memory is a concern, today ram is cheap, i think don't hesitate to add more and enjoy the current work done by the devs.

Martin · 2023-07-05 21:08:16

More experimenting with other distros:

Now I am playing around with SpiralLinux Plasma installed on a virtual machine (Qemu). I wanted to try out the Debian 11 -> Debian 12 migration described in the documentation of SpiralLinux. And I wanted to take a dive into Plasma beyond what is possible with a live session.

The 11 -> 12 migration worked fine but the disk image size increased from 9.something to 13.something GB. Is this normal? I did something similar with BL several years ago and don't remember this kind of size increase.

I find Plasma is really well put together and not very resource hungry these days. Still not my bag of tea.

/Martin

Colonel Panic · 2023-07-08 10:08:47

Hi Martin,

It may be you've got the "old" and superseded files still on the disk - I usually run Bleachbit after I've carried out a distro update to get rid of these.

Martin · 2023-07-08 20:13:31

Possibly so. Now, a few days later, the disk usage as seen from inside SpiraLinux looks reasonable but from the viewpoint of the host system the disk image still looks too big. Maybe a Qemu disk image quirk I have not fathomed?

/Martin

DeepDayze · 2023-07-09 15:26:15

Colonel Panic wrote:

Hi Martin,
It may be you've got the "old" and superseded files still on the disk - I usually run Bleachbit after I've carried out a distro update to get rid of these.

Also a sudo apt --purge autoremove should help cleaning up left-over packages no longer needed.

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