HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Boron system on Debian Bookworm.

johnraff · 2023-05-01 00:35:50

deleted0 wrote:

How 'bout just a line or two on the welcome page:
On Debian installing software from random websites is a bad habit.
If you break it, you get to keep the pieces. Don't break Debian
This should be easy. Why punish everyone for the mistakes of the few?
Support convenience is a worthy goal, but the wrong North Star.

You're preaching to the converted. Maybe the enforced 'I understand' can come out, leaving the warning, but that kind of thing is not my personal decision to make. Just please calm down a bit.

deleted0 · 2023-05-01 06:52:43

johnraff wrote:

You're preaching to the converted.

It's not about you.

deleted0 · 2023-05-01 06:53:32

johnraff wrote:

And lay off about the fkn "Applications" submenu. I've already said why I think it's non-ideal and that we need to discuss it carefully after the Boron release. Throwing that kind of line in here is totally unproductive.

It's not about you. The comments are about bad choices the team made, as I see it. Sorry, it was not directed at you personally. I hoped putting we in quotes might say that.

Last edited by deleted0 (2023-05-01 07:00:53)

johnraff · 2023-05-01 07:22:26

deleted0 wrote:

It's not about you. The comments are about bad choices the team made, as I see it. Sorry, it was not directed at you personally.

Well, considering I'm the OP of this thread and the main person responding to queries about HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Boron system on Debian Bookworm you might understand how I would see your comments as being intended for me to read.

I think if you want a more general response to your points you need to start a new topic.

I've already made clear I agree with a lot of what you're saying (not about the Applications menu though), but I'd recommend something more on the lines of "what we can do now" than "mistakes you guys made in the past" if you want to get people responding positively.

And I've already requested we leave the long discussions till after the Boron release. I've only got a couple of weeks to try to get an iso out before I go AFK. There might not be enough time, but I'd like to focus.

The "I understand" thing could very easily be dropped from bl-welcome, but you'll need to get at least hhh, Sector11 and brontosaururex to agree, as the three currently most active other devs. Don't expect me to go in and do it for you at this point in time.

Last edited by johnraff (2023-05-01 07:24:40)

hhh · 2023-05-01 07:34:07

OK, what in the actual... What happened to this thread?

Are we talking about "I understand" when first using sudo? Drop that, are you crazy? That is up to Debian to decide, plus it's just a one-time thing. How picky are you getting?

deleted0 · 2023-05-01 09:56:47

hhh wrote:

OK, what in the actual... What happened to this thread?

I was too colorful expressing my opinion and was told asked to calm down.
Like that ever worked on me before.

8bit

Last edited by deleted0 (2023-05-01 14:55:47)

deleted0 · 2023-05-03 13:27:46

Last edited by deleted0 (2023-05-03 17:29:48)

deleted0 · 2023-05-03 13:30:22

Last edited by deleted0 (2023-05-03 17:30:02)

DeepDayze · 2023-05-03 16:00:31

Whoa, I sense a ripple in the matrix...

hhh · 2023-05-03 22:47:37

He saw the woman in the red dress and completely glitched, I think Agents are reformatting him now. They have him off of fake steak and fake red wine for 72 hours, and no phone access. He's on a soup can diet, goodbye speaker stands.

johnraff · 2023-05-05 08:59:55

Luckily I've already deleted the emails I got and forgot what was in them.

---
NOTE to all who edit their own posts: don't forget that a notification email containing the original post has already gone out to all those who are subscribed to that thread.

deleted0 · 2023-05-14 15:33:06

johnraff wrote:

Luckily I've already deleted the emails I got and forgot what was in them.
---
NOTE to all who edit their own posts: don't forget that a notification email containing the original post has already gone out to all those who are subscribed to that thread.

Oh, I just figured this out.

This was the best outcome. You got to see me point out the errors in your logic and I got to spare the rest of the world seeing it.

DeepDayze · 2023-05-14 16:19:03

deleted0 wrote:

johnraff wrote:
Luckily I've already deleted the emails I got and forgot what was in them.
---
NOTE to all who edit their own posts: don't forget that a notification email containing the original post has already gone out to all those who are subscribed to that thread.
Oh, I just figured this out.
This was the best outcome. You got to see me point out the errors in your logic and I got to spare the rest of the world seeing it.
8bit

best post ever

If we still had PM's here I'm sure you both be going back and forth goodnaturedly like ping pong LMAO!

But back on topic, Boron should be pretty solid a release

Last edited by DeepDayze (2023-05-14 16:21:17)

deleted0 · 2023-05-14 16:27:13

DeepDayze wrote:

best post ever
If we still had PM's here I'm sure you both be going back and forth goodnaturedly like ping pong LMAO!

I want nothing but success for BL and I admire & respect johnraff's talents, especially putting up with me. (mostly, there was a curse word...:)

P.S. I deleted those posts because I decided to stop that angle and peruse another. Less talk and more production. I just need hhh to work his magic and offer an image of the Boron Theme.

P.S.S. And while I'm here, admire & respect hhh for his sharp intellect, A worthy sparing partner, but all/only in fun. (not to mention survival skills...)

P.S.S.S. Does the forum send out emails for every post edit too? How annoying would that be...

Last edited by deleted0 (2023-05-14 17:16:47)

DeepDayze · 2023-05-14 21:49:26

eight.bit.al wrote:

DeepDayze wrote:
best post ever
If we still had PM's here I'm sure you both be going back and forth goodnaturedly like ping pong LMAO!
I want nothing but success for BL and I admire & respect johnraff's talents, especially putting up with me. (mostly, there was a curse word...:)
8bit
P.S. I deleted those posts because I decided to stop that angle and peruse another. Less talk and more production. I just need hhh to work his magic and offer an image of the Boron Theme.
P.S.S. And while I'm here, admire & respect hhh for his sharp intellect, A worthy sparing partner, but all/only in fun. (not to mention survival skills...)
P.S.S.S. Does the forum send out emails for every post edit too? How annoying would that be...

Ya I hear ya...no worries and its all in good nature you corrected yourself

johnraff · 2023-05-15 01:45:32

deleted0 wrote:

Does the forum send out emails for every post edit too? How annoying would that be...

No, not edits, only the new posts. And only to subscribers, but anybody who has checked the "subscribe me to threads I post in" box is a subscriber if they post.

johnraff · 2023-05-15 01:48:27

DeepDayze wrote:

Boron should be pretty solid a release

Yes I'm quite optimistic on that score. All credit to the Debian devs of course.

johnraff · 2023-05-15 02:07:13

deleted0 wrote:

You got to see me point out the errors in your logic...

Your self-confidence is admirable. I'm pretty sure my logic is OK* but I don't have time to try and convince you, at least right now. Happy, in fact eager, to discuss a whole lot of things after the Boron release.

* Unless you're going to turn round and say "it wasn't about you" again.

deleted0 · 2023-05-15 03:21:10

johnraff wrote:

deleted0 wrote:
You got to see me point out the errors in your logic...
Your self-confidence is admirable. I'm pretty sure my logic is OK* but I don't have time to try and convince you, at least right now. Happy, in fact eager, to discuss a whole lot of things after the Boron release.
* Unless you're going to turn round and say "it wasn't about you" again.

It wasn't about you, it was about steps BL had taken. Unless you're assuming all responsibility for those steps. Then it would be about you.

Analogy.

A friend's wife is a school teacher. The conversation drifted to talk about pedophiles. I said something about how they tend to work in fields that give them access to children, like teaching. I had forgotten she was a teacher. She got very annoyed stating loudly she was not one.

Of course I wasn't talking about her. She didn't represent all teachers.

Same thing happened with our misunderstanding.

johnraff wrote:

deleted0 wrote:
Were the devs under some delusion; "Well, I signed that agreement so I guess I'd better not post."
"We'll" insult all our users if it might save us a bit of work.
"We'll" fix those shoddy reviewers. We'll hide one of the most used sections of our menu. That'll make'em do it right."
Ya put out a distro, you take the lumps with the gravy, and not take it out on the users.
This is all uncalled for. As I've already said, I was for taking that out. The majority disagreed.
And lay off about the fkn "Applications" submenu. I've already said why I think it's non-ideal and that we need to discuss it carefully after the Boron release. Throwing that kind of line in here is totally unproductive.

"Were the devs under some delusion" devs, plural. Not about you.

""We'll" insult all our users" plural we, with extra emphasis (edit; corrected spelling) on we. Plural. Not about you.

""We'll" fix those shoddy reviewers" See above.

I was talking about steps the BL team had taken, which you clearly said you were not in favor of. And I believed you, which is why I put we in quotes; to try to make it more clear it was not about any one person.

Allow me to repeat, It was not about any one person.

That's the misunderstanding. Also, your claim that you started the thread so that made it about you falls on it's face. Errant logic. The claim you responded to most of the thread made it about you falls on it's face. Errant logic.

For accuracy I went back and looked at the exact words.

johnraff wrote:

[Well, considering I'm the OP of this thread and the main person responding to queries about HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Boron system on Debian Bookworm you might understand how I would see your comments as being intended for me to read.

Well, yeah, you and anyone else. But not just you.

This is my best attempt to come to some common understanding. I'm done with it, no need to wait for Boron.

8bit

Last edited by deleted0 (2023-05-16 05:14:33)

dmontaine · 2023-05-16 04:38:51

Tried to install using these instructions on Debian 12 RC2. When trying to install bunsen-meta-all or bunsen-meta-lite, the install fails because the required dependency, fbxkb, is not available.

#41 2023-05-01 00:35:50

Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Boron system on Debian Bookworm.

#42 2023-05-01 06:52:43

Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Boron system on Debian Bookworm.

#43 2023-05-01 06:53:32

Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Boron system on Debian Bookworm.

#44 2023-05-01 07:22:26

Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Boron system on Debian Bookworm.

#45 2023-05-01 07:34:07

Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Boron system on Debian Bookworm.

#46 2023-05-01 09:56:47

Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Boron system on Debian Bookworm.

#47 2023-05-03 13:27:46

Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Boron system on Debian Bookworm.

#48 2023-05-03 13:30:22

Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Boron system on Debian Bookworm.

#49 2023-05-03 16:00:31

Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Boron system on Debian Bookworm.

#50 2023-05-03 22:47:37

Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Boron system on Debian Bookworm.

#51 2023-05-05 08:59:55

Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Boron system on Debian Bookworm.

#52 2023-05-14 15:33:06

Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Boron system on Debian Bookworm.

#53 2023-05-14 16:19:03

Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Boron system on Debian Bookworm.

#54 2023-05-14 16:27:13

Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Boron system on Debian Bookworm.

#55 2023-05-14 21:49:26

Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Boron system on Debian Bookworm.

#56 2023-05-15 01:45:32

Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Boron system on Debian Bookworm.

#57 2023-05-15 01:48:27

Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Boron system on Debian Bookworm.

#58 2023-05-15 02:07:13

Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Boron system on Debian Bookworm.

#59 2023-05-15 03:21:10

Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Boron system on Debian Bookworm.

#60 2023-05-16 04:38:51

Re: HOW-TO set up an experimental BL Boron system on Debian Bookworm.

Board footer