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PackRat · 2023-05-09 23:37:48

Martin wrote:

*Mate* This is basically a GTK-based twin of the LXQt UX. Easy on the user and the HW. Occupied 486 MB of RAM right after start-up.
/Martin

Mate desktop is a continuation of Gnome 2.x. Team Mate is in the process of making it Wayland compatible.

Also, Xfce is mature and offers features that others don't have. Right-click menu, left/center/right alignment of window title, and the list goes on.

The Mate tweak tool (if it's available in Debian) lets the user configure some of that; not as fine-grained as one would like.

Last edited by PackRat (2023-05-09 23:47:47)

johnraff · 2023-05-10 00:47:22

Martin wrote:

Apropos Budgie and Mate: A couple of weeks ago I did some WM/DE-hopping courtesy of Spiral Linux ISOs being available in several 'flavors'. I used a Qemu virtual machine awarded one core and 2 MB of RAM. Impressions in alphabetical order after a bit of not too organized testing Live-ISOs:
...

@Martin I'd be curious to learn how BL Beryllium fits in on that list. Is RAM use and "snappiness" significantly better than the lighter distros you tested, or not so much?

DeepDayze · 2023-05-10 00:54:18

Right now playing with LMDE 5 Cinnamon edition. It seems to be pretty smooth with hardly any glitches or overly hogging resources.

Martin · 2023-05-10 06:01:36

johnraff wrote:

Martin wrote:
Apropos Budgie and Mate: A couple of weeks ago I did some WM/DE-hopping courtesy of Spiral Linux ISOs being available in several 'flavors'. I used a Qemu virtual machine awarded one core and 2 MB of RAM. Impressions in alphabetical order after a bit of not too organized testing Live-ISOs:
...
@Martin I'd be curious to learn how BL Beryllium fits in on that list. Is RAM use and "snappiness" significantly better than the lighter distros you tested, or not so much?

All these were Spiral Linux implementations so it is not only about how heavy each DE/WM is. I hoped this would result in a level playing field and I think it did as all seemed to contain the same/similar applications.

Comparing distros with XFCE I find Void starts with 252 MB RAM and Salix with 325 MB.

Running the latest BL ISO I land on 471 MB of RAM right after start-up. For Lilidog I land on 243 MB. Both take ~70 s to start up.

My 'real' computers are still on BL Lithium. The one with Openbox starts with 410 MB of RAM and the x230 set up with i3 only needs 216 MB of RAM right after start-up.

RAM usage is measured by opening a terminal and typing "free -h" and look under "used".

/Martin

johnraff · 2023-05-10 06:40:42

Martin wrote:

johnraff wrote:
@Martin I'd be curious to learn how BL Beryllium fits in on that list. Is RAM use and "snappiness" significantly better than the lighter distros you tested, or not so much?
All these were Spiral Linux implementations so it is not only about how heavy each DE/WM is.

Ah OK so not really to be compared with BL on Debian.

My 'real' computers are still on BL Lithium. The one with Openbox starts with 410 MB of RAM and the x230 set up with i3 only needs 216 MB of RAM right after start-up.

That is puzzling because usually on BL htop shows openbox's share of the total RAM to be quite small, so I don't understand how swapping it out for another window manager could make any significant difference. But what is the "x230 setup"?

Martin · 2023-05-11 06:29:22

My 'real' computers are still on BL Lithium. The one with Openbox starts with 410 MB of RAM and the x230 set up with i3 only needs 216 MB of RAM right after start-up.
That is puzzling because usually on BL htop shows openbox's share of the total RAM to be quite small, so I don't understand how swapping it out for another window manager could make any significant difference. But what is the "x230 setup"?

I just ran some tests. The x230 setup is my Lenovo Thinkpad x230. It runs BL Lithium and I have added i3 since i3 works better for me on that small screen. Lately I also added Windowmaker for fun. Comparing RAM usage right after re-boot -- yes I re-booted between each alternative to make sure I started with a clean slate each time -- I register the following RAM consumptions:

BunsenLab: 384 MB
Openbox: 303 MB
i3: 220 MB
Windowmaker: 202 MB

/Martin

unklar · 2023-05-11 11:18:41

inxi -SMxxx
System:    Host: beryllium Kernel: 5.10.0-22-686 i686 bits: 32 compiler: gcc v: 10.2.1 
           Desktop: Openbox 3.6.1 info: tint2 dm: LightDM 1.26.0 
           Distro: BunsenLabs GNU/Linux 11 (Beryllium) base: Debian GNU/Linux 11 
Machine:   Type: Laptop System: IBM product: 2371H8G v: ThinkPad X40 serial: <superuser required> 
           Chassis: type: 10 serial: <superuser required> 
           Mobo: IBM model: 2371H8G serial: <superuser required> BIOS: IBM v: 1UETD3WW (2.08 ) 
           date: 12/21/2006

Results of my beryllium installation with the ps_mem.py script

the system is running since 2023-05-08 10.00am

 Private  +   Shared  =  RAM used	Program

152.0 KiB + 230.0 KiB = 382.0 KiB	thinkfan
180.0 KiB + 248.0 KiB = 428.0 KiB	atd
284.0 KiB + 336.0 KiB = 620.0 KiB	agetty
268.0 KiB + 384.0 KiB = 652.0 KiB	cron
312.0 KiB + 386.0 KiB = 698.0 KiB	xcape
532.0 KiB + 570.0 KiB =   1.1 MiB	ssh-agent
532.0 KiB + 752.0 KiB =   1.3 MiB	dconf-service
560.0 KiB + 908.0 KiB =   1.4 MiB	gvfsd-metadata
612.0 KiB + 858.0 KiB =   1.4 MiB	xfconfd
608.0 KiB + 894.0 KiB =   1.5 MiB	gvfs-mtp-volume-monitor
628.0 KiB + 926.0 KiB =   1.5 MiB	at-spi-bus-launcher
  4.6 MiB + -3160.0 KiB =   1.5 MiB	gvfsd-fuse
716.0 KiB +   1.1 MiB =   1.8 MiB	gvfsd
812.0 KiB +   1.0 MiB =   1.8 MiB	gvfs-goa-volume-monitor
748.0 KiB +   1.1 MiB =   1.8 MiB	at-spi2-registryd
808.0 KiB +   1.3 MiB =   2.0 MiB	gvfsd-network
868.0 KiB +   1.2 MiB =   2.1 MiB	gvfs-gphoto2-volume-monitor
824.0 KiB +   1.4 MiB =   2.2 MiB	gvfs-afc-volume-monitor
648.0 KiB +   1.7 MiB =   2.3 MiB	systemd-timesyncd
996.0 KiB +   1.4 MiB =   2.3 MiB	gvfsd-dnssd
984.0 KiB +   1.6 MiB =   2.6 MiB	gvfsd-trash
876.0 KiB +   2.1 MiB =   2.9 MiB	systemd-logind
  1.5 MiB +   1.8 MiB =   3.3 MiB	smartd
  1.3 MiB +   2.0 MiB =   3.4 MiB	sudo
  5.3 MiB + -1874.0 KiB =   3.5 MiB	upowerd
  5.8 MiB + -2106.0 KiB =   3.7 MiB	rsyslogd
  5.7 MiB + -1932.0 KiB =   3.8 MiB	polkitd
  1.7 MiB +   2.2 MiB =   3.9 MiB	bluetoothd
  5.6 MiB + -1760.0 KiB =   3.9 MiB	gnome-keyring-daemon
  1.9 MiB +   2.0 MiB =   3.9 MiB	xbindkeys
  1.7 MiB +   2.2 MiB =   4.0 MiB	obexd
  1.4 MiB +   2.8 MiB =   4.1 MiB	sshd
  2.1 MiB +   2.3 MiB =   4.4 MiB	bash
  1.6 MiB +   2.9 MiB =   4.5 MiB	polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1
  1.6 MiB +   2.9 MiB =   4.5 MiB	gvfs-udisks2-volume-monitor
  2.0 MiB +   3.2 MiB =   5.2 MiB	dbus-daemon (3)
  1.8 MiB +   3.5 MiB =   5.3 MiB	lightdm (2)
  2.6 MiB +   2.8 MiB =   5.4 MiB	systemd-udevd
  2.4 MiB +   3.7 MiB =   6.1 MiB	jgmenu
  3.1 MiB +   4.9 MiB =   7.9 MiB	pulseaudio
  3.6 MiB +   4.8 MiB =   8.4 MiB	wpa_supplicant
  7.6 MiB + 836.0 KiB =   8.4 MiB	udisksd
  8.1 MiB + 716.0 KiB =   8.8 MiB	ModemManager
  3.5 MiB +   5.4 MiB =   8.9 MiB	openbox
  3.6 MiB +   5.6 MiB =   9.2 MiB	tint2
  5.0 MiB +   6.8 MiB =  11.8 MiB	light-locker
  8.8 MiB +   3.6 MiB =  12.4 MiB	xfce4-clipman
  3.2 MiB +  10.2 MiB =  13.4 MiB	systemd (3)
  9.6 MiB +   3.9 MiB =  13.5 MiB	NetworkManager
  9.4 MiB +   6.3 MiB =  15.7 MiB	xfce4-notifyd
 13.8 MiB +   2.5 MiB =  16.4 MiB	xfce4-power-manager
  7.4 MiB +   9.0 MiB =  16.4 MiB	tumblerd
 10.0 MiB +   7.8 MiB =  17.7 MiB	pnmixer
 21.5 MiB +   6.5 MiB =  27.9 MiB	nm-applet
 12.9 MiB +  18.2 MiB =  31.1 MiB	conky (2)
 21.2 MiB +  11.1 MiB =  32.2 MiB	blueman-applet
 19.8 MiB +  14.2 MiB =  34.1 MiB	thunar
 17.6 MiB +  18.1 MiB =  35.7 MiB	blueman-tray
 22.4 MiB +  14.3 MiB =  36.7 MiB	Xorg
 21.9 MiB +  17.7 MiB =  39.6 MiB	x-terminal-emul
 19.2 MiB +  21.0 MiB =  40.2 MiB	systemd-journald
---------------------------------
                        553.8 MiB
=================================

after reboot today 12.20am

sudo ./ps_mem.py
[sudo] Passwort für unklar: 
 Private  +   Shared  =  RAM used	Program

152.0 KiB + 240.0 KiB = 392.0 KiB	thinkfan
176.0 KiB + 272.0 KiB = 448.0 KiB	atd
288.0 KiB + 358.0 KiB = 646.0 KiB	agetty
284.0 KiB + 390.0 KiB = 674.0 KiB	xcape
272.0 KiB + 434.0 KiB = 706.0 KiB	cron
528.0 KiB + 576.0 KiB =   1.1 MiB	ssh-agent
528.0 KiB + 810.0 KiB =   1.3 MiB	dconf-service
596.0 KiB + 904.0 KiB =   1.5 MiB	xfconfd
636.0 KiB +   1.1 MiB =   1.7 MiB	at-spi-bus-launcher
  4.7 MiB + -2862.0 KiB =   1.9 MiB	at-spi2-registryd
908.0 KiB +   1.3 MiB =   2.2 MiB	gvfsd-fuse
632.0 KiB +   1.7 MiB =   2.3 MiB	systemd-timesyncd
  4.8 MiB + -2512.0 KiB =   2.4 MiB	gvfsd
844.0 KiB +   2.0 MiB =   2.8 MiB	systemd-logind
  1.3 MiB +   1.9 MiB =   3.2 MiB	sudo
  1.5 MiB +   1.8 MiB =   3.3 MiB	smartd
  5.4 MiB + -1772.0 KiB =   3.7 MiB	upowerd
  1.8 MiB +   2.0 MiB =   3.7 MiB	rsyslogd
  1.3 MiB +   2.7 MiB =   3.9 MiB	sshd
  5.7 MiB + -1814.0 KiB =   4.0 MiB	polkitd
  1.9 MiB +   2.1 MiB =   4.0 MiB	xbindkeys
  1.7 MiB +   2.3 MiB =   4.1 MiB	obexd
  2.2 MiB +   2.3 MiB =   4.5 MiB	bash
  1.7 MiB +   3.0 MiB =   4.7 MiB	dbus-daemon (3)
  2.0 MiB +   2.8 MiB =   4.8 MiB	gnome-keyring-daemon
  1.6 MiB +   3.4 MiB =   5.0 MiB	polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1
  1.8 MiB +   3.8 MiB =   5.6 MiB	xfce4-notifyd
  1.9 MiB +   3.7 MiB =   5.6 MiB	lightdm (2)
  2.7 MiB +   2.9 MiB =   5.6 MiB	systemd-udevd
  2.2 MiB +   4.0 MiB =   6.2 MiB	jgmenu
  7.4 MiB + 196.0 KiB =   7.5 MiB	udisksd
  3.3 MiB +   4.6 MiB =   7.9 MiB	wpa_supplicant
  4.0 MiB +   4.7 MiB =   8.6 MiB	ModemManager
  3.3 MiB +   5.5 MiB =   8.9 MiB	openbox
  3.8 MiB +   5.8 MiB =   9.6 MiB	tint2
  5.0 MiB +   7.4 MiB =  12.4 MiB	light-locker
 12.8 MiB + 568.0 KiB =  13.3 MiB	xfce4-clipman
  9.7 MiB +   3.8 MiB =  13.4 MiB	pulseaudio
  3.1 MiB +  10.4 MiB =  13.4 MiB	systemd (3)
  9.6 MiB +   4.0 MiB =  13.6 MiB	thunar
  5.7 MiB +   8.2 MiB =  13.9 MiB	NetworkManager
 14.6 MiB +   9.5 MiB =  24.1 MiB	Xorg
 13.9 MiB +  12.1 MiB =  26.0 MiB	xfce4-power-manager
  9.9 MiB +  17.5 MiB =  27.4 MiB	pnmixer
 12.1 MiB +  17.5 MiB =  29.6 MiB	conky (2)
 16.3 MiB +  24.6 MiB =  41.0 MiB	nm-applet
 16.0 MiB +  25.9 MiB =  41.8 MiB	blueman-tray
 19.2 MiB +  25.8 MiB =  44.9 MiB	systemd-journald
 21.1 MiB +  27.9 MiB =  48.9 MiB	blueman-applet
 21.2 MiB +  33.0 MiB =  54.3 MiB	x-terminal-emul
---------------------------------
                        552.6 MiB
=================================

taberacci · 2023-05-11 11:25:41

Also, Xfce is mature and offers features that others don't have.

I disagree. With v4.18 they have taken a step backwards, becoming further slaves to GNOME and KDE. I really hate the Notifications plug-in now, sometimes windows stay stuck on the screen when they should have gone after a few seconds. Prefer v4.16 at this point.

When I logged in just now I was going to post here:
https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=8533

But what I would have said would have been out of context. I installed Debian "Bullseye" three times with the 29-April-2023 ISO without non-free firmware. So only yellow cable for Internet LOL. I needed to know how the "GNOME Flashback" was like. Thought it was Budgie. Now I'm glad MATE exists only to get rid of the bottom panel which takes up valuable space for some programs (cough zilla cough-cough fire).

I tried Debian with KDE but prefer Spiral Linux much more. Debian's KDE feels incomplete. This goes even for "Bookworm" as well.

I reinstalled Debian XFCE and was very surprised at how lightweight it was, and how much RAM it took up after it finished starting up. Sure it's because I have Wine and a few other programs installed. It looks like the problem was fixed which made a Windows app start very slowly, and running "winecfg" was about as pensive as doing it on "Bookworm". The lightweight setup made me lose desire to do anything with W.M. I already have BL Beryllium and Slackel which is more than enough.

I have never installed Spiral Linux with XFCE. Turned off by Gecko Linux XFCE looking like a slow-performing racoon, had to pick "ROLLING" (based on OpenSUSE "Tumbleweed") which gave me v4.18 which easily peaked me off.

Last edited by taberacci (2023-05-11 11:27:44)

Colonel Panic · 2023-05-11 13:07:02

I've just downloaded the latest version of MX KDE (21.3), though I haven't installed it. On the whole it works well with a good range of applications and of course the excellent MX Tools set of utilities. The only downside is (and I don't want to sound like Dedoimedo here), to me it doesn't look all that great. It's got a rather dull dark grey theme with a modern art wallpaper which looks like two-dimensional Licorice Allsorts on a grey background, the icons are flat and "blocky," and for me, most seriously, the font used in the menu and the text below the icons is faint and not very clear.

All this can be changed though, and there's even a remaster utility in MX Tools which enables you to create a new ISO for future use once you've done so. For now though, if you don't want to do that I'd recommend using Exton's respin of MX with LXQT instead and just add in the KDE utilities you need (and also an office suite).

Postscript; I've just booted up MX Exton for the purpose of comparison. The fonts aren't great in that either, though they are at least bigger which makes them easier to read, and the wallpaper is a picture of a Ferrari Enzo (Exton clearly likes his cars; one of his other respins has a picture of a Bugatti as its wallpaper) which makes a difference too.

Last edited by Colonel Panic (2023-05-11 13:46:16)

deleted0 · 2023-05-11 13:16:46

taberacci wrote:

Also, Xfce is mature and offers features that others don't have.
I disagree.

With which part? That it's not mature, or that it doesn't offer features others don't?

As for Gnome and KDE, I don't really understand the politics. And I don't really care.
There's enough fine folks like you to carry that torch. Best speed.

8bit

P.S. Xfce 4.18 has worked well for me.

Last edited by deleted0 (2023-05-11 13:20:58)

Colonel Panic · 2023-05-11 13:38:19

taberacci wrote:

Also, Xfce is mature and offers features that others don't have.
I disagree. With v4.18 they have taken a step backwards, becoming further slaves to GNOME and KDE. I really hate the Notifications plug-in now, sometimes windows stay stuck on the screen when they should have gone after a few seconds. Prefer v4.16 at this point.
When I logged in just now I was going to post here:
https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=8533
But what I would have said would have been out of context. I installed Debian "Bullseye" three times with the 29-April-2023 ISO without non-free firmware. So only yellow cable for Internet LOL. I needed to know how the "GNOME Flashback" was like. Thought it was Budgie. Now I'm glad MATE exists only to get rid of the bottom panel which takes up valuable space for some programs (cough zilla cough-cough fire).
I tried Debian with KDE but prefer Spiral Linux much more. Debian's KDE feels incomplete. This goes even for "Bookworm" as well.
I reinstalled Debian XFCE and was very surprised at how lightweight it was, and how much RAM it took up after it finished starting up. Sure it's because I have Wine and a few other programs installed. It looks like the problem was fixed which made a Windows app start very slowly, and running "winecfg" was about as pensive as doing it on "Bookworm". The lightweight setup made me lose desire to do anything with W.M. I already have BL Beryllium and Slackel which is more than enough.
I have never installed Spiral Linux with XFCE. Turned off by Gecko Linux XFCE looking like a slow-performing racoon, had to pick "ROLLING" (based on OpenSUSE "Tumbleweed") which gave me v4.18 which easily peaked me off.

I've never tried Spiral but I'll bet it's good. The one thing I didn't like about Gecko was the "rain rolling down green glass" wallpaper, but that's easily changed. I agree that OpenSUSE (and anything based on it) is one of the slower distros though.

Last edited by Colonel Panic (2023-05-11 13:38:37)

deleted0 · 2023-05-11 13:48:09

Colonel Panic wrote:

The only downside is (and I don't want to sound like Dedo here), to me it doesn't look all that great. It's got a rather dull dark grey theme with a modern art wallpaper which looks like two-dimensional Licorice Allsorts on a grey background, the icons are flat and "blocky," and for me, most seriously, the font used in the menu and the text below the icons is faint and not very clear.

MX has always had the 'Loving geeks at home' look.
Geeks seldom make good artists. Look at Antix, ugly.

That's okay with me, let them put their efforts into the code rather than the art.

8bit

DeepDayze · 2023-05-11 13:52:45

Colonel Panic wrote:

I've just downloaded the latest version of MX KDE (21.3), though I haven't installed it. On the whole it works well with a good range of applications and of course the excellent MX Tools set of utilities. The only downside is (and I don't want to sound like Dedoimedo here), to me it doesn't look all that great. It's got a rather dull dark grey theme with a modern art wallpaper which looks like two-dimensional Licorice Allsorts on a grey background, the icons are flat and "blocky," and for me, most seriously, the font used in the menu and the text below the icons is faint and not very clear.
All this can be changed though, and there's even a remaster utility in MX Tools which enables you to create a new ISO for future use once you've done so. For now though, if you don't want to do that I'd recommend using Exton's respin of MX with LXQT instead and just add in the KDE utilities you need (and also an office suite).
Postscript; I've just booted up MX Exton for the purpose of comparison. The fonts aren't great in that either, though they are at least bigger which makes them easier to read, and the wallpaper is a picture of a Ferrari Enzo (Exton clearly likes his cars; one of his other respins has a picture of a Bugatti as its wallpaper) which makes a difference too.

I have MX-21.3 KDE installed and it's indeed a well designed distro with it's only foible is how much is packed into it. The themes and icons I changed upon a fresh install, and made sure baloo is disabled as well. Once I got it looking the way I want I used that remastering tool and it produced a nice ISO I could use to install on another machine or as a backup in case I hose the current install. Gotta give MX kudos for its customizability if you don't like the default setup.

As for Exton, never tried it and perhaps he should use car names for distro names lol.

Colonel Panic · 2023-05-11 17:30:44

DeepDayze wrote:

Colonel Panic wrote:
I've just downloaded the latest version of MX KDE (21.3), though I haven't installed it. On the whole it works well with a good range of applications and of course the excellent MX Tools set of utilities. The only downside is (and I don't want to sound like Dedoimedo here), to me it doesn't look all that great. It's got a rather dull dark grey theme with a modern art wallpaper which looks like two-dimensional Licorice Allsorts on a grey background, the icons are flat and "blocky," and for me, most seriously, the font used in the menu and the text below the icons is faint and not very clear.
All this can be changed though, and there's even a remaster utility in MX Tools which enables you to create a new ISO for future use once you've done so. For now though, if you don't want to do that I'd recommend using Exton's respin of MX with LXQT instead and just add in the KDE utilities you need (and also an office suite).
Postscript; I've just booted up MX Exton for the purpose of comparison. The fonts aren't great in that either, though they are at least bigger which makes them easier to read, and the wallpaper is a picture of a Ferrari Enzo (Exton clearly likes his cars; one of his other respins has a picture of a Bugatti as its wallpaper) which makes a difference too.
I have MX-21.3 KDE installed and it's indeed a well designed distro with it's only foible is how much is packed into it. The themes and icons I changed upon a fresh install, and made sure baloo is disabled as well. Once I got it looking the way I want I used that remastering tool and it produced a nice ISO I could use to install on another machine or as a backup in case I hose the current install. Gotta give MX kudos for its customizability if you don't like the default setup.

As for Exton, never tried it and perhaps he should use car names for distro names lol.

Thanks for the advice re MX KDE. The only Baloo I know is this one, but I think it's something to do with file search in KDE?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpetAXm0hz4

As for Exton, the companies would probably charge him for the use of their name, but also there are the legal implications. Imagine if you're a company like Bugatti, and someone released a Linux distro called Veyron and it proved to be unreliable, insecure or painfully slow - wouldn't be good for the company's image at all.

Last edited by Colonel Panic (2023-05-11 17:36:23)

Colonel Panic · 2023-05-11 17:32:34

eight.bit.al wrote:

MX has always had the 'Loving geeks at home' look.
Geeks seldom make good artists. Look at Antix, ugly.
https://i.ibb.co/CMYpY1r/antix.png
That's okay with me, let them put their efforts into the code rather than the art.
8bit

I think you have a point, and that's where the respins come in (like Exton's) that attempt to make something more visually attractive from the raw material as well as adding functionality.

Last edited by Colonel Panic (2023-05-11 17:49:34)

DeepDayze · 2023-05-11 18:36:02

Colonel Panic wrote:

Thanks for the advice re MX KDE. The only Baloo I know is this one, but I think it's something to do with file search in KDE?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpetAXm0hz4
As for Exton, the companies would probably charge him for the use of their name, but also there are the legal implications. Imagine if you're a company like Bugatti, and someone released a Linux distro called Veyron and it proved to be unreliable, insecure or painfully slow - wouldn't be good for the company's image at all.

Agreed..just a lil' joke about Exton.

Yes baloo is the search engine in KDE and it takes up a lot of resources so it's best to disable it.

Colonel Panic · 2023-05-11 19:51:57

DeepDayze wrote:

Colonel Panic wrote:
Thanks for the advice re MX KDE. The only Baloo I know is this one, but I think it's something to do with file search in KDE?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpetAXm0hz4
As for Exton, the companies would probably charge him for the use of their name, but also there are the legal implications. Imagine if you're a company like Bugatti, and someone released a Linux distro called Veyron and it proved to be unreliable, insecure or painfully slow - wouldn't be good for the company's image at all.
Agreed..just a lil' joke about Exton.
Yes baloo is the search engine in KDE and it takes up a lot of resources so it's best to disable it.

Thanks for replying.

Another option is to take another Debian-based distro and install MX Tools in it. Here's Head On A Stick's thread on the subject, from 2020;

https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php … 007f37aef1

There is the caveat though that not all of them are guaranteed to work in a distro which (unlike MX) has systemd. Maybe Devuan or AntiX is a better bet.

Last edited by Colonel Panic (2023-05-11 20:43:14)

johnraff · 2023-05-12 00:26:13

Martin wrote:

I just ran some tests. The x230 setup is my Lenovo Thinkpad x230. It runs BL Lithium and I have added i3 since i3 works better for me on that small screen. Lately I also added Windowmaker for fun. Comparing RAM usage right after re-boot -- yes I re-booted between each alternative to make sure I started with a clean slate each time -- I register the following RAM consumptions:
Openbox: 303 MB
i3: 220 MB

Still puzzed as to why the openbox setup uses 80MB more RAM than i3.
Unklar's setup:

unklar wrote:

inxi -SMxxx
System:    Host: beryllium Kernel: 5.10.0-22-686 i686 bits: 32 compiler: gcc v: 10.2.1 
           Desktop: Openbox 3.6.1 info: tint2 dm: LightDM 1.26.0 
           Distro: BunsenLabs GNU/Linux 11 (Beryllium) base: Debian GNU/Linux 11 
Machine:   Type: Laptop System: IBM product: 2371H8G v: ThinkPad X40 serial: <superuser required> 
           Chassis: type: 10 serial: <superuser required> 
           Mobo: IBM model: 2371H8G serial: <superuser required> BIOS: IBM v: 1UETD3WW (2.08 ) 
           date: 12/21/2006

Results of my beryllium installation with the ps_mem.py script

the system is running since 2023-05-08 10.00am

 Private  +   Shared  =  RAM used	Program
...
  3.5 MiB +   5.4 MiB =   8.9 MiB	openbox
...
---------------------------------
                        553.8 MiB

So for him, openbox is using ~9MB of a total of ~550.
On my main box with 8GB RAM openbox uses 0.4% of that, according to htop. OK that means ~30MB, but @martin I still can't help feeling there's some other difference between your openbox and i3 setups accounting for the difference in RAM use.

jeffreyC · 2023-05-12 17:38:40

Colonel Panic wrote:

DeepDayze wrote:
Colonel Panic wrote:
Thanks for the advice re MX KDE. The only Baloo I know is this one, but I think it's something to do with file search in KDE?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpetAXm0hz4
As for Exton, the companies would probably charge him for the use of their name, but also there are the legal implications. Imagine if you're a company like Bugatti, and someone released a Linux distro called Veyron and it proved to be unreliable, insecure or painfully slow - wouldn't be good for the company's image at all.
Agreed..just a lil' joke about Exton.
Yes baloo is the search engine in KDE and it takes up a lot of resources so it's best to disable it.
Thanks for replying.
Another option is to take another Debian-based distro and install MX Tools in it. Here's Head On A Stick's thread on the subject, from 2020;
https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php … 007f37aef1
There is the caveat though that not all of them are guaranteed to work in a distro which (unlike MX) has systemd. Maybe Devuan or AntiX is a better bet.

MX Linux does have systemd, but it also has sysvinit.
The MX devs make sure their tools work with both because some MX users use systemd.
The reason MX has sysvinit is because that is what works with the antiX and MX live USB system.

taberacci · 2023-05-13 08:24:09

Colonel Panic wrote:

I've never tried Spiral but I'll bet it's good. The one thing I didn't like about Gecko was the "rain rolling down green glass" wallpaper, but that's easily changed. I agree that OpenSUSE (and anything based on it) is one of the slower distros though.

Really Spiral Linux is just Debian, but instead of Debian Installer it has Calamares. It comes with 32-bit repositories enabled in case you're interested. And it uses "backports" or something like that to provide a newer Linux kernel than Debian "stable". While Debian prefer to patch the kernel v5.10, Spiral could provide one that's on v6. You could straight out change the "sources.list" from "Bullseye" to "Bookworm" and it could upgrade the system to that. By "default" Calamares offers to format "root" directory as "btrfs" in order to do those system snapshots loved so well on Garuda and other OS's.

However it's not going to allow setting "root" password. There are no window manager versions so you might be turned off by that. There is a "basic" version which doesn't install a desktop but it's all I could tell you about it.

https://github.com/SpiralLinux/SpiralLi … ect#readme

Gecko and Spiral Linux try to be consistent with the look no matter what is the D.E.

One more serious problem Gecko has is that "ROLLING" ISO is now more than nine months old. Updating to the latest might fail. A few weeks ago I was lucky I was successful with my slow Internet connection and all but it downloaded almost 2GB of packages.

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