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Colonel Panic · 2022-11-01 22:21:36

Nili wrote:

el_koraco wrote:
I would rather use Windows than Fedora, it is the buggiest distro ever. Arch is the best Gnome distro.
Fedora is an awesome stable system at least it was to me on version 35 and 36, Two editions i have tried. Meanwhile, Windows is a single system, take it as it is or die. Linux diversity is better , so anything over Windows to me.

I believe that Fedora is to Redhat what Testing is to Debian - it has all the newest and rawest software in the repositories so it can't be expected to be 100% reliable or problem-free. Nevertheless, I haven't had any problems in Ultramarine so far except for the size of the system upgrade (at least compared to the Debian ones I am used to).

I looked at doing a system upgrade in Ultramarine today but it said it needed a total of 1.4 GB to download, so I came out of there for the time being and am now posting from Beryllium.

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mariannemarlow · 2022-11-01 22:29:06

I have never even got Fedora to install.

Debian based Distro's however have been the easiest to install.

Debian Forever <insert lots of sparkly hearts and glitter>

el_koraco wrote:

Nili wrote:
After a long time Debian/GTK really i needed for a change, bought a new hardware, so i gave a try Fedora/GNOME for a few months
I would rather use Windows than Fedora, it is the buggiest distro ever. Arch is the best Gnome distro.

el_koraco · 2022-11-01 22:37:30

mariannemarlow wrote:

I have never even got Fedora to install.
Debian based Distro's however have been the easiest to install.

Exactly. My sister doesn't know the first thing about computers, they are an appliance to her. I have had her on Ubuntu on two laptops since about 2012 - and I literally mean that I installed Ubuntu once on each laptop. She knows how to click on whatever kind of software store they are using there, and the laptops self update from LTS to LTS version, with absolutely no input from me. Try that with Red Hat Experimental.

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deleted0 · 2022-11-02 00:46:29

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mariannemarlow · 2022-11-04 09:37:14

Yes, Ubuntu is very easy to use and install. But as I only use laptops and netbooks it seems to have issues with them.

I used crunchbang and then basic debian for years as my main system. But now I use MX Linux.

I do like how MX tells me when there are updates

I know it's lazy but I kept forgetting to do a command line update.

Debian

el_koraco wrote:

mariannemarlow wrote:
I have never even got Fedora to install.
Debian based Distro's however have been the easiest to install.
Exactly. My sister doesn't know the first thing about computers, they are an appliance to her. I have had her on Ubuntu on two laptops since about 2012 - and I literally mean that I installed Ubuntu once on each laptop. She knows how to click on whatever kind of software store they are using there, and the laptops self update from LTS to LTS version, with absolutely no input from me. Try that with Red Hat Experimental.

Nili · 2022-11-04 14:16:55

Colonel Panic wrote:

I believe that Fedora is to Redhat what Testing is to Debian - it has all the newest and rawest software in the repositories so it can't be expected to be 100% reliable or problem-free. Nevertheless, I haven't had any problems in Ultramarine so far except for the size of the system upgrade (at least compared to the Debian ones I am used to).
I looked at doing a system upgrade in Ultramarine today but it said it needed a total of 1.4 GB to download, so I came out of there for the time being and am now posting from Beryllium.

That's true about Debian names Also, Fedora RAWHIDE is what SID is to Debian. I always used Testing for years on Debian, never had major concerns myself, if one is careful with the apt dist-upgrade process and logs everything is going fine. SID is more advisable than testing for a faster bug resolved. Packages from SID passing on testing, there is a process of weekly or monthly to go through. If a bug was caught, and does not pass to testing due to packages/policies conflicts you are forced to stay longer with a bug on this repo.

I only know by name Ultramarine Linux haven't used before, Just checked their download page now. All those ISO's seems ready made with a DE inside, so it is natural for the update processes to be larger. If the Internet/hardware are faster, there is no reason to worry at all.

BunsenLabs is very slim, openbox/tint2 small size, a bit of less packages to download and balanced to whom prefer simplicity. You'll find it comfortable

Colonel Panic · 2022-11-04 21:21:15

Nili wrote:

Colonel Panic wrote:
I believe that Fedora is to Redhat what Testing is to Debian - it has all the newest and rawest software in the repositories so it can't be expected to be 100% reliable or problem-free. Nevertheless, I haven't had any problems in Ultramarine so far except for the size of the system upgrade (at least compared to the Debian ones I am used to).
I looked at doing a system upgrade in Ultramarine today but it said it needed a total of 1.4 GB to download, so I came out of there for the time being and am now posting from Beryllium.
That's true about Debian names Also, Fedora RAWHIDE is what SID is to Debian. I always used Testing for years on Debian, never had major concerns myself, if one is careful with the apt dist-upgrade process and logs everything is going fine. SID is more advisable than testing for a faster bug resolved. Packages from SID passing on testing, there is a process of weekly or monthly to go through. If a bug was caught, and does not pass to testing due to packages/policies conflicts you are forced to stay longer with a bug on this repo.
I only know by name Ultramarine Linux haven't used before, Just checked their download page now. All those ISO's seems ready made with a DE inside, so it is natural for the update processes to be larger. If the Internet/hardware are faster, there is no reason to worry at all.
BunsenLabs is very slim, openbox/tint2 small size, a bit of less packages to download and balanced to whom prefer simplicity. You'll find it comfortable

Thanks. I didn't know about Rawhide but I think I'll stick with the tested Fedora packages and distros based on them - fewer things to go wrong. I've used Siduction in the past and it's pretty much trouble-free provided that you're careful to keep it up to date (which I wasn't).

el_koraco · 2022-11-05 11:27:53

mariannemarlow wrote:

Yes, Ubuntu is very easy to use and install. But as I only use laptops and netbooks it seems to have issues with them.
I used crunchbang and then basic debian for years as my main system. But now I use MX Linux.
I do like how MX tells me when there are updates
I know it's lazy but I kept forgetting to do a command line update.

It is hard to go wrong with a Debian derived distro. When we mentioned Ubuntu here, I told my sister to send me the output of uname -a on her laptop because I had previously totally forgotten about the thing, turns out it self updated to the latest LTS, she said she remembers it was about a month ago. Absolutely zero trouble.

dbvolvox · 2022-11-07 21:15:53

mariannemarlow wrote:

Yes, Ubuntu is very easy to use and install. But as I only use laptops and netbooks it seems to have issues with them.
I used crunchbang and then basic debian for years as my main system. But now I use MX Linux.
I do like how MX tells me when there are updates
I know it's lazy but I kept forgetting to do a command line update.

I appreciate that view and used MX for some years on my i5 laptop but have now switched to Berrylium and am finding it way way preferable to MX. Maybe look again @mariannemarlow.

johnraff · 2022-11-08 04:39:36

mariannemarlow wrote:

I do like how MX tells me when there are updates

That might be something to look at for BL Boron. Perhaps an optional script to run 'apt update' then display the output of 'apt list --upgradable', say every day or two...

I think most of our users would prefer something like that to unattended upgrades.

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PackRat · 2022-11-08 15:50:05

johnraff wrote:

mariannemarlow wrote:
I do like how MX tells me when there are updates
That might be something to look at for BL Boron. Perhaps an optional script to run 'apt update' then display the output of 'apt list --upgradable', say every day or two...
I think most of our users would prefer something like that to unattended upgrades.

That would be an easy addition to the default conky. Use to have that in conkyrc when I ran Debian Testing/Sid. One of the conky experts probably has that code available for you.

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unklar · 2022-11-08 16:35:55

PackRat wrote:

johnraff wrote:
mariannemarlow wrote:
I do like how MX tells me when there are updates
That might be something to look at for BL Boron. Perhaps an optional script to run 'apt update' then display the output of 'apt list --upgradable', say every day or two...
I think most of our users would prefer something like that to unattended upgrades.
That would be an easy addition to the default conky. Use to have that in conkyrc when I ran Debian Testing/Sid. One of the conky experts probably has that code available for you.

Over the many years with siduction I got used to update the system after switching on the computer.

apt[-get] update && apt[-get] dist-upgrade [full-upgrade]

This has become second nature to me.

Years ago @Sector11 in Conky helped me create this line to show the updates.

For this the package <aptitude> must be installed.
Of course you can display the following augabe in color and/or flashing. However, I have experienced myself that the user
still 'overlooks' this.

${font monofur:size=12}@Sector11${alignr}updates [${color2}${if_match ${execi 300 aptitude search "~U" | wc -l | tail}==0}${execi 300 aptitude search "~U" | wc -l | tail}${color}]${else}${color red}${execi 300 aptitude search "~U" | wc -l | tail}${color}${color} ]${endif}
${swapbar 2}
@arpinux${alignr}${texeci 600 nakedupdate -c}${font}

Another variant uses nakedeb, which I personally like very much.

This is also triggered in a conky with this line:

${texeci 600 nakedupdate -c}

which calls the script 'nakedupdate'. This itself is located in /usr/bin/
I think @arpinux won't mind if we apply this in BL and somehow the big red window in beryllium would also have to appear when the script comes in $HOME/bin/.

script

#!/bin/bash
# vérifie les mises à jour dispo et affiche le résultat selon l'option
# no-option : notify-send
# -c : affichage conky
# -p : affichage polybar

# set title & message
userlocale=$(echo "$LANG" | cut -b-2)
case $userlocale in
    fr) title="Mise à jour Debian"
        message="mise(s) à jour disponible(s)"
        ;;
    *)  title="Debian update"
        message="update(s) available"
        ;;
esac

# launch nakedupdate
updates="$(($(apt list --upgradable 2>/dev/null | wc -l) - 1))"
case "$1" in
    -c)
        if [[ ${updates} -gt 0 ]]; then
            echo "${updates} update(s)"
        else
            echo "no update"
        fi
        ;;
    -p)
        if [[ ${updates} -gt 0 ]]; then
            echo "  ${updates} "
        else
            echo ""
        fi
        ;;
    *)
        if [[ ${updates} -gt 0 ]]; then
            notify-send -i dialog-warning -u critical "${title}" "${updates} ${message}"
        fi
        ;;
esac

Last edited by unklar (2022-11-08 16:41:18)

johnraff · 2022-11-09 04:09:57

@PackRat @unklar thanks for the ideas there!
I guess another option - less easily ignored - would be a yad popup, with options "do now" and "remind me later".

Arpinux's script looks like a good place to start.

Plus some mechanism for the user to easily switch the whole thing on or off.

Anyway I'll bookmark this spot and come back to it for Boron after the dust has settled...

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jeffreyC · 2022-11-09 23:56:30

The package in MX Linux that notifies of updates available is apt-notifier, it is fairly small and does work in the tint2 panel.
Should work in any Debian based distro.
You could go grab the source package and rebuild it for BL if you wanted.

johnraff · 2022-11-10 02:47:36

^That's a good idea too.

mariannemarlow · 2022-11-10 15:43:46

johnraff wrote:

mariannemarlow wrote:
I do like how MX tells me when there are updates
That might be something to look at for BL Boron. Perhaps an optional script to run 'apt update' then display the output of 'apt list --upgradable', say every day or two...
I think most of our users would prefer something like that to unattended upgrades.

Fair enough. I'm just lazy

But obviously I still have to initiate the update and put my password in for the system to update

johnraff · 2022-11-11 05:30:08

^No, I was agreeing with you that an upgrade notification widget might be something to look at for adding to Boron, at least as an option.

Debian's unattended upgrades is a step further (too far for many users), and can do the whole upgrade without help.

dolly · 2022-11-12 08:01:59

"Unattended upgrades", my inner nerd soul is cringing in disgust. You are right about that it is "too far for many users".

A widget that I can turn off is acceptable though.

Colonel Panic · 2022-11-12 10:09:51

I'm in MX now (the Exton version, with LXQT as the window manager). For my money it's one of the most visually appealing of the distros but it's also one of the most fragile - I've learnt that when I'm in it I can't load Thunderbird at the same time as I've got Firefox open, for example, or the system will freeze up.

I don't need update notification because I when I carry out an update I make a note of the date on a textfile I keep in my /home directory, so I always know when the next one is due.

mariannemarlow · 2022-11-12 14:22:23

Oh, that is odd..

I regularly use firefox and thunderbird at the same time..but I am using XFCE and not LXQT.

Colonel Panic wrote:

I'm in MX now (the Exton version, with LXQT as the window manager). For my money it's one of the most visually appealing of the distros but it's also one of the most fragile - I've learnt that when I'm in it I can't load Thunderbird at the same time as I've got Firefox open, for example, or the system will freeze up.
I don't need update notification because I when I carry out an update I make a note of the date on a textfile I keep in my /home directory, so I always know when the next one is due.

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