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#341 2022-08-03 11:45:12

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Re: New ISO build to try.

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And then in the installer, I only have b43, b43legacy, ath9k_htc, and ath10k.  Do you have more in the installer itself as well?

No, we only explicitly pack the b43 stuff in the installer, everything else is handled by live-build and debian-installer between them, at least until the full system is installed. We don't even pack those ath* packages - I'll have to take a look at that (although they shouldn't apply to dmontaine2's case). Did you find some reference to them on a mailing list somewhere?

No, just personal experience.  New laptop is ath10, and an old wirless stick is ath9k_htc.  Both required firmware in the installer to grab the card properly.

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#342 2022-08-03 12:03:02

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Re: New ISO build to try.

I downloaded the Beryllium iso again and this time the wifi adapter was identified and the install completed correctly.

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#343 2022-08-03 12:06:52

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dmontaine2 wrote:

I downloaded the Beryllium iso again and this time the wifi adapter was identified and the install completed correctly.

Well awesome!  I have had issues here and there with the debian installer concerning wifi, grub, and partitioning. Most of the time I can just pull the USB, reinsert and good to go again.  Glad you got it!

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#344 2022-08-03 20:49:36

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BTW, I left a message on the Lilidog Sourceforge discussion group about inability to install my HP Officejet 8020 on Lilidog.  Throws a internal cups server error message at the last stage of the install.  Same printer installs without problems on Beryllium.

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#345 2022-08-03 21:02:18

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Re: New ISO build to try.

dmontaine2 wrote:

BTW, I left a message on the Lilidog Sourceforge discussion group about inability to install my HP Officejet 8020 on Lilidog.  Throws a internal cups server error message at the last stage of the install.  Same printer installs without problems on Beryllium.

This happens when using the Printer Setup in the menu?

Thank you for letting me know. smile

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#346 2022-08-04 00:32:43

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Yes, from the printer setup menu.  On my HP Prodesk Mini 600 gen 2 I first installed BL Beryllium with Virtualbox then installed a VM with Lilidog.  On the virtual machine, the network printer installation of the HP Officejet Pro 8200 installed without any problems. (By the way the printer installed correctly on the host Beryllium OS as well).

I swapped out the SDD and installed Lilidog on the new SSD directly.  When using the Printer Setup option, the first time CUPS installed.  The second time, the drivers for the printer were found.  However, when I clicked "Finish", I got the error message dialog "There was an error during the CUPS operation: 'server-error-internal-server-error'.

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#347 2022-08-04 01:13:49

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dmontaine2 wrote:

Yes, from the printer setup menu.  On my HP Prodesk Mini 600 gen 2 I first installed BL Beryllium with Virtualbox then installed a VM with Lilidog.  On the virtual machine, the network printer installation of the HP Officejet Pro 8200 installed without any problems. (By the way the printer installed correctly on the host Beryllium OS as well).

I swapped out the SDD and installed Lilidog on the new SSD directly.  When using the Printer Setup option, the first time CUPS installed.  The second time, the drivers for the printer were found.  However, when I clicked "Finish", I got the error message dialog "There was an error during the CUPS operation: 'server-error-internal-server-error'.

Unfortunately I do not know anything in particular about printing.  I did however find a couple of cups packages that BL uses that Lilidog was not, and a couple of recommended dependencies.

It installed correctly in the VM though? hmm. No problem with groups. . .

Here are the packages I am adding.  I do not know if installing these will do the trick or not.   

cups-pk-helper cups-browsed tix tk libnss-mdns

Sorry I am unable to troubleshoot more.

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#348 2022-08-04 02:29:04

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Re: New ISO build to try.

sleekmason wrote:
johnraff wrote:
sleekmason wrote:

And then in the installer, I only have b43, b43legacy, ath9k_htc, and ath10k.  Do you have more in the installer itself as well?

No, we only explicitly pack the b43 stuff in the installer, everything else is handled by live-build and debian-installer between them, at least until the full system is installed. We don't even pack those ath* packages - I'll have to take a look at that (although they shouldn't apply to dmontaine2's case). Did you find some reference to them on a mailing list somewhere?

No, just personal experience.  New laptop is ath10, and an old wirless stick is ath9k_htc.  Both required firmware in the installer to grab the card properly.

Up till now I thought the main culprit was the broadcom software, which cannot be provided in a deb (licensing) and normally has to be downloaded - catch 22 of course. roll
It gets installed OK to the squashfs system by live-build, but that's not available when the installer starts up.

I wonder if there's some way we can make a list of wireless firmware that needs to be loaded with the installer, like those? It would be a big boost for both BL and Lilidog if we could cover at least the common cases. cool

Or maybe the with-firmware Debian installer already has most of those covered, and cases like broadcom and athlon are minority?

DeepDayze wrote:

I believe you can add wireless firmware in during the install if the chip is either not detected or is detected but indicates needs firmware.

This requires that the firmware is available locally of course...

Perhaps better start a new thread for this topic?


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#349 2022-08-04 04:13:51

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Re: New ISO build to try.

Re: Cups printer installation problem on bare metal.  The addition of those additional packages solved the problem.  Printing now installs and works.

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#350 2022-08-04 12:07:51

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Re: New ISO build to try.

johnraff wrote:

I wonder if there's some way we can make a list of wireless firmware that needs to be loaded with the installer, like those? It would be a big boost for both BL and Lilidog if we could cover at least the common cases. cool

Or maybe the with-firmware Debian installer already has most of those covered, and cases like broadcom and athlon are minority?

Sounds like a good idea! One would think there would be more of an uproar over them not working properly during the install if the problem was more widespread. I also had thought it was just the broadcom and was surprised by the others being needed.

Most people a few years back probably had broadcom drivers, which WERE in the installer.  Also I would imagine most people are plugged in during the install 

So knowing the card and whether the installer read it correctly is really pretty important here.  Certainly easy enough to add the drivers.

Maybe ask as a survey? smile

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#351 2022-08-04 12:11:38

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Re: New ISO build to try.

dmontaine2 wrote:

Re: Cups printer installation problem on bare metal.  The addition of those additional packages solved the problem.  Printing now installs and works.

Whoohoo!! Score!  lol. Thank you for taking the time to test and for letting me know!

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#352 2022-08-04 23:50:23

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Re: New ISO build to try.

sleekmason wrote:
johnraff wrote:

I wonder if there's some way we can make a list of wireless firmware that needs to be loaded with the installer, like those? It would be a big boost for both BL and Lilidog if we could cover at least the common cases. cool

Or maybe the with-firmware Debian installer already has most of those covered, and cases like broadcom and athlon atheros are minority?

Sounds like a good idea! One would think there would be more of an uproar over them not working properly during the install if the problem was more widespread. I also had thought it was just the broadcom and was surprised by the others being needed.

That's what I thought too. I plan to have a look at exactly what firmware the Debian "firmware" installer is shipping, and what firmware live-build puts in when using the unfree firmware build options. I was surprised your install wouldn't go without the atheros firmware - that's a fairly new machine? There are a lot of other files beyond the ones you added included in firmware-atheros btw - we need to consider if they all need to be included...

As you say, you'd expect more comment on the web if this problem was common.

The big difference with Broadcom is that the Debian package is just a downloader and doesn't actually hold the firmware. A user depending on wireless is stuck because they can't do the download. roll

I'm hoping that, aside from wireless, isenkram will let us avoid having to pack every bit of firmware under the sun, but networking is obviously something that has to work right off.


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#353 2022-08-06 14:35:41

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New release Lilidog-amd64-22.08.05 Minimal is available too!  i386 will be out tomorrow. https://sourceforge.net/projects/lilidog/

What a weird release cycle!  I tried out a bunch of new things and spent most of the time doing maintenance type stuff.  Cleanup, fixing themes, wallpapers, etc. 

Also moved back to Pragha from Audacious for the music player. 

Initially, I thought Audacious to be a smaller footprint and a better app, but after spending more time with both, I'm not so sure.  Anyway, the determining factor for the change initially, was the necessity of Pragha to use 4 gstreamer packages to function correctly v.s. just the plugin package for audacious.  Turns out that a bunch of programs like to use the gstreamer packages, so perhaps a smaller footprint for pragha once your system is decked out? maybe.

I also went ahead and removed Thunderbird, but added installers for Thunderbird and two other programs I found to work nicely with Lilidog, Sylpheed, and Geary. 

Geary is the new gnome replacement for evolution, and does pull in gnome-keyring fyi. (no, doesn't really matter). Geary is pretty cool looking with a decent and probably more modern interface, whatever that might mean.  Both Geary and Sylpheed will require an "App Password" for gmail use.  Remarkably simple to use. Look in the 'security' section of your google account for more info. Thunderbird still gets around the app password use and is probably still the easiest to implement.

Those that are here often know I was working on a toggle between light and dark themes.  I didn't quite get as far as I would like, but still implemented two keybinds to switch between Glacier and Anolis. Try Super + y and super + u.

*EDIT - Got the toggle figured, and should have something in the next release:)

Definition of Anolis
: a genus of small American pleurodont lizards (family Iguanidae) comprising the New World chameleons that have the power of changing color like the true chameleons of the Old World.

So, here's what's new.

Added 8 new program installers. Geary Mail, Sylpheed Mail, Thunderbird Mail, Pluma, Libreoffice-calc, Libreoffice-impress,  Libreoffice-draw, Libreoffice-math.
Added an 'Extra Themes' installer that will install the 5 themes no longer currently in Lilidog.
Changed the music player back to Pragha from Audacious.  Pragha will remain the default.
Removed Thunderbird from the install list and menus.  Thunderbird and two other email programs are available in the installers.
Added toggles for two themes, Glacier and Anolis, which will allow fast switching between light and dark  themes on the fly.  Super + Y for Glacier, and Super + u for Anolis.  (super = the 'Windows' key.)
Added the installers dialog to the 'paw' icon in tint2.
Several improvements to the Anolis theme making it both softer and easier to use.
Changed the names of all theme scripts in ~/.config/lilidog-themes to use the exact name of the gtk theme leaving the -theme out of the name.
Removed 5 themes from the build, but have an installer for them under 'Graphics'.  Let me know if you think one of these should be in the main Auto Themes menu!
Printer Setup - Added two cups packages that fixes an install error with some drivers.
Dunst - Increased the low priority timeout to 6 seconds from 4.
Wallpapers - Added/exchanged 5-6. A few of these are quite nice, including a print by one of our own in the forums.  If you guys have any specific wallpapers you think should be included in Lilidog, let me know.

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#354 2022-08-10 15:17:50

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After much thought and a long discussion with my wife Bobbie, I've decided to start a forum for Lilidog. https://www.forum.lilidog.org/

@johnraff and the rest of the BL development team have been beyond gracious in their allowing me to have a Lilidog thread and work on it the way I needed to.  I am firmly in their debt whether or not they think so:) However, I can't just keep riding their coat tails even if they don't mind. I can only hope I will be able to offer the same opportunity to somebody else someday.

I had told John some time back that I wasn't interested in going this far, but things change as they do, and new choices present themselves.  In this case, I either jump in with both feet, or leave it go and just have a sourceforge for those that know lilidog. Well hell, A lot of work so far just to let it sit and act all grumpy. (though it might sit anyway).

It was a remarkably easy path for me to get things up and going for the forum.  I am using the opensource freeflarum for the site, and am quite pleased with all the options allowed.  I'm sure there will be caveats like anything else, but hopefully I/we, will be able to work through them. Had it not been free, I would never have considered this path, or at least not until much much later.

As such, none of this may matter.  Who know if the forum takes off or not? (Or if it is usable in a good way). I grabbed the .org and .net lilidog domains as they were cheap. They already wanted $900 or so for the lilidog.com address so that was a no go for me. The others were quite cheap at $10 a year or so. Guess we will see:)

And no, I'm not leaving BL lol.  I think quite highly of Bunsenlabs and will still be here as well. Just a little more BL oriented and less LD. 

This is a huge step for me that I never had an inkling I would be taking.  Thank you again to everyone who has helped Lilidog get off of the ground.  I could name names, but there are about 20 of you or more with direct influence on Lilidog whether you know it or not! Thank you all for your support and patience. It's been a really fun ride. Looking forward to the rest of the journey.

I hope you all will take a peak at the lilidog forum and sign up if interested.  Obviously there isn't much there at the moment, but hopefully that will change. As always, any suggestions are most welcome.

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#355 2022-08-10 19:39:48

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Nice little forum sleek so planning to register.


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#356 2022-08-11 00:00:45

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Give a link to about the forum, as the powers that be here are looking for a new one.
I like it, the more I use it, the more I understand it.
It's more that the current forum, and not quite as much as discourse.

#357 2022-08-11 00:54:43

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eight.bit.al wrote:

Give a link to about the forum, as the powers that be here are looking for a new one.
I like it, the more I use it, the more I understand it.
It's more that the current forum, and not quite as much as discourse.

https://freeflarum.com/

It's certainly worth taking a look.

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#358 2022-08-11 01:27:34

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This says a lot:

https://docs.freeflarum.com/faq/

It's not a program, it's a service. And since it's free, the users are the product.

Limited to 250 users.

#359 2022-08-11 01:34:07

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Signed up there. Got to say you have a nice layout to the forum and the theme is great too.


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#360 2022-08-11 02:00:52

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Re: New ISO build to try.

eight.bit.al wrote:

This says a lot:

https://docs.freeflarum.com/faq/

It's not a program, it's a service. And since it's free, the users are the product.

Limited to 250 users.

Another learning experience.  No worries. I am really enjoying the Flarem experience in general, so I suppose I'll have to take a further look. I would imagine I should be able to transfer everything over, (this is supposed to be possible) but really have no idea.  Looks like the next adventure begins:)

No matter I reckon. I will try to create a full forum whether it's flarum or something else.  If it doesn't work out, then so be it.

Maybe this is the way to go anyway. If I get to a hundred users, I'll know it heading the right direction and should expand.

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