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Martin · 2022-07-13 21:42:03

I have taken Lilidog for a spin on a virtual machine I use for testing live isos. Good less-is-more looks but work in progress I guess as the folder icons in Thunar looks like they belong to another distro. Also, the dark theme made it very hard to read the tool bar in LibreOffice. I had to change to Bright.

Much nicer than the, in my view, garish MX21. The latter comes across as snappier though. I don't know why that should be and I have not timed anything so it is based on feeling.

As PackRat said: nice work.

/Martin

sleekmason · 2022-07-14 00:20:45

Martin wrote:

I have taken Lilidog for a spin on a virtual machine I use for testing live isos. Good less-is-more looks but work in progress I guess as the folder icons in Thunar looks like they belong to another distro. Also, the dark theme made it very hard to read the tool bar in LibreOffice. I had to change to Bright.
Much nicer than the, in my view, garish MX21. The latter comes across as snappier though. I don't know why that should be and I have not timed anything so it is based on feeling.
As PackRat said: nice work.
/Martin

Thank you! All three of the issues you brought up are bothersome to be sure.

The icons are a weird issue. Trying to find something that goes with all the themes doesn't really work. I made it easy to download and use a few different icon packs out of the repos, and including an array of papirus color icons using Johns papirus colors script, but that doesn't really solve the 'common icon, main theme' problem. I could just try to match the current opening theme, and maybe that would be for the best? The current icons are open-suse dark, and losing them wouldn't hurt my feelings in the least. Any suggestions here would be certainly welcome. (or of course on anything else you see as well.)

Libreoffice - For the opening side pane, It a black text issue that I cannot find the configuration for anywhere and so think it is a Libreoffice chosen text color that can't be changed. I was not able to match it in the gtk-3.0 or 2.0 theme files anywhere.

It must be a known issue though, because Libreoffice has the side pane text colors fixed in sid! I'll have to look again to see if the toolbar was adjusted or not.
Maybe there is still some color adjustment I can do to make it more readable as well. I will look for the brown text/icon toolbar color in the css file, but I think I tried before and couldn't locate a match.

The other color I can't find anywhere is the 'selected' color in other text editors like gedit. Geany has this problem too after a color has been selected and then moved, the selected color turns to the same white. The white color really interferes with the text in a dark theme. Would love to find the answer for that as well, or if there is a fix of some kind folks already know of. I suppose I might be able to switch the selected text in geany to a dark color. . . Will have to look to see if that will work in practice.

Snappiness. Some of the difference may be using geany as the default editor. Ugh.

I made the fontsize changer to change 'most' of the fonts on the fly, but couldn't figure out how to change the mousepad editor font size through a terminal. So, I switched the primary editor to geany which is much slower to open, and becomes very noticeable a a general lag as you start messing with the system, opening files, etc. I probably need to change it back to mousepad for just that reason, and folks can adjust mousepad as they see fit. Of course I'm not sure this was what you are talking about or experienced.

Thank you for taking the time to check things out! Anything else you find, please let me know. I'll certainly see what I can do to fix it:)

DeepDayze · 2022-07-14 02:59:38

Martin wrote:

I have taken Lilidog for a spin on a virtual machine I use for testing live isos. Good less-is-more looks but work in progress I guess as the folder icons in Thunar looks like they belong to another distro. Also, the dark theme made it very hard to read the tool bar in LibreOffice. I had to change to Bright.
Much nicer than the, in my view, garish MX21. The latter comes across as snappier though. I don't know why that should be and I have not timed anything so it is based on feeling.
As PackRat said: nice work.
/Martin

I don't think MX21 is crazy garish but the themes are maybe a bit too garish but a quick fix is using the standard KDE Breeze dark theme along with a dark background. The only quibble is that distro seems a bit over-engineered, but the MX tools are pretty darn good.

Lilidog on the other hand is minimal yet configurable...very!

Sector11 · 2022-07-14 03:16:51

I have never like geany. Just a personal thing I won't get into.

Used gedit at first then medit for years. It's not in Deb11 though.
The medit from Deb10 can be used but that isn't really an answer.

Have you looked at pluma?
That's what it looks like here.

I still like Lilidog.

Martin · 2022-07-14 08:19:13

I am not much of a theme tinkerer. I am pretty happy with the folder icons in Lithium but don't remember if I changed them from the default or not. I may have made them smaller as I usually find icon size too large in Linux distros.

As for the snappiness: I don't think Geany is involved here as my feeling is programs and web page content load quicker in MX21. I run both as Live Sessions so maybe something to do with how things are compressed in the iso? (Using a virtual machine running on ten year old HW highlights differences in snappiness...)

Black text on black background: Now, this brings back memories from the mid-90s. Back then I worked on a SUN workstation. I don't remember exactly what the technical explanation was but you could run out of colours when running certain programs simultaneously. So all of a sudden you found the content of pull-down menus was blacked out. The remedy was to save your work and close down all programs and then start anew. Easier said than done but I had used the most important programs intensely -- I could navigate their menus by dead reckoning :-)

/Martin

sleekmason · 2022-07-14 11:32:36

DeepDayze wrote:

I don't think MX21 is crazy garish but the themes are maybe a bit too garish but a quick fix is using the standard KDE Breeze dark theme along with a dark background. The only quibble is that distro seems a bit over-engineered, but the MX tools are pretty darn good.
Lilidog on the other hand is minimal yet configurable...very!

Some of their tools are awesome! I have incorporated the live-usb-maker (antix version) and the nvidia installer to Lilidog with zero issues. Of interest though is how frustrating it was to get through the mx menu to open a few programs. Maybe is was just me. I didn't really mess with it a whole lot more than to get things moved, but I remember finally just using a terminal to open everything. That being said, it certainly is the "full package".

sleekmason · 2022-07-14 11:40:14

Sector11 wrote:

I have never like geany. Just a personal thing I won't get into.
Used gedit at first then medit for years. It's not in Deb11 though.
The medit from Deb10 can be used but that isn't really an answer.
Have you looked at pluma?
That's what it looks like here.
I still like Lilidog.

Yes! You had mentioned this before and I was surprised by how much I liked it:) Unfortunately, same problem with the highlight!

I think the problem may be a more general setting, maybe a light to dark tweak necessary in some other configuration file rather than the gtk themes themselves?

sleekmason · 2022-07-14 11:53:04

Martin wrote:

I am not much of a theme tinkerer. I am pretty happy with the folder icons in Lithium but don't remember if I changed them from the default or not. I may have made them smaller as I usually find icon size too large in Linux distros.
As for the snappiness: I don't think Geany is involved here as my feeling is programs and web page content load quicker in MX21. I run both as Live Sessions so maybe something to do with how things are compressed in the iso? (Using a virtual machine running on ten year old HW highlights differences in snappiness...)
Black text on black background: Now, this brings back memories from the mid-90s. Back then I worked on a SUN workstation. I don't remember exactly what the technical explanation was but you could run out of colours when running certain programs simultaneously. So all of a sudden you found the content of pull-down menus was blacked out. The remedy was to save your work and close down all programs and then start anew. Easier said than done but I had used the most important programs intensely -- I could navigate their menus by dead reckoning :-)
/Martin

Oh man, if it's not geany, then I'm feeling pretty good about it:) <-- Still need to find a solution there.

I don't do anything at all in regards to tweaking firefox. Maybe there is something they have added/removed that helps a bit in this department?

I could navigate their menus by dead reckoning :-)

Awesome:)

PackRat · 2022-07-14 12:08:45

Have you looked at pluma?
That's what it looks like here.

Problem with pluma is that it pulls in a bunch of mate desktop files. I was making some Lilidog minimal iso and it adds some unnecessary bloat to the iso.

Using mate tools - caja, mate-terminal, pluma, and atril instead of thunar, xfce4--terminal, geany, and evince would be an interesting experiment. I'll have to try that later.

Edit - not as bloated as I thought it would be:

Lilidog Minimal built with caja, mate-terminal, mate-power-manager, pluma, atril, mate-polkit:

link to fullsize image

Last edited by PackRat (2022-07-14 20:40:17)

sleekmason · 2022-07-14 21:26:20

^Nice! The whole point is the versatility! If there is something I should take a look at that may work better, lighter, etc. let me know. Always a tradeoff.

I am looking at using the mate-power-manager and ditching xfce4-power-manager. I saw a forum post where you had discussed this as well. In testing so far, I don't see why it wouldn't work, and it isn't any heavier. Any thoughts or new info most welcome.

I also looked at icons. The closest in the repos I saw was really either one of the papirus icon colors, or gnome-wise, which I am partial to as well. I just like the green. However, the Breeze Dark is certainly a decent match as is, and so the question is what people would want to see on first click so to speak. Anyway, looking for any and all thoughts here as well.

Here's gnome-wise for a look.

PackRat · 2022-07-14 22:37:57

sleekmason wrote:

I am looking at using the mate-power-manager and ditching xfce4-power-manager. I saw a forum post where you had discussed this as well. In testing so far, I don't see why it wouldn't work, and it isn't any heavier. Any thoughts or new info most welcome.

As far as mate v. xfce4 goes, my only opinion is go with one, don't mix and match. There are pros and cons to both. Caja has dual-pane mode (next xfce4 release, thunar should finally have that), but xfce4 has a few additional tools like ristretto, parole, and xfburn (for those of us that have to burn a CD (permanent archive) every now and again).

As far as mate-power-manager goes, it has a few more options and the brightness keys on my Toshiba and HP laptops seem to be more responsive and smoother.

Just look through the Debian package list for each DE and see what fits your needs.

Papirus (and Paper) are nice, complete icons sets. If you like green, there is also the mate icon set; similar look to gnome-wise. If you're really into theming, user cog (on this forum or ArchLabs) has/had a build script that will re-color the Papirus icon folders. Never used it myself, but the results he was getting look really good. You can PM here or at ArchLabs and check the status of that project.

sleekmason · 2022-07-14 23:01:56

PackRat wrote:

sleekmason wrote:
I am looking at using the mate-power-manager and ditching xfce4-power-manager. I saw a forum post where you had discussed this as well. In testing so far, I don't see why it wouldn't work, and it isn't any heavier. Any thoughts or new info most welcome.
As far as mate v. xfce4 goes, my only opinion is go with one, don't mix and match. There are pros and cons to both. Caja has dual-pane mode (next xfce4 release, thunar should finally have that), but xfce4 has a few additional tools like ristretto, parole, and xfburn (for those of us that have to burn a CD (permanent archive) every now and again).
As far as mate-power-manager goes, it has a few more options and the brightness keys on my Toshiba and HP laptops seem to be more responsive and smoother.
Just look through the Debian package list for each DE and see what fits your needs.
Papirus (and Paper) are nice, complete icons sets. If you like green, there is also the mate icon set; similar look to gnome-wise. If you're really into theming, user cog (on this forum or ArchLabs) has/had a build script that will re-color the Papirus icon folders. Never used it myself, but the results he was getting look really good. You can PM here or at ArchLabs and check the status of that project.

Makes sense on mixing and matching the common items. You'd have dependencies for both for no good reason.

Pretty much, I'm happy with the package set.

So I looked at Menta, one of the mate-icon-themes, and actually did a whole build around it before nixing it. I personally like it, but it didn't really fit with most of the themes.

Papirus icon theme . .!!
So, In Lilidog, go to the "Graphics Installers" and install the papirus icon theme and it will also add 12 different colors to your selection. The resultant folders will be in ~/.local/share/icons for user use, or can be moved individually to /usr/share/icons for root use if desired. More info in the install dialog.

Sounds like a change to mate-power-manager is coming soon:)

DeepDayze · 2022-07-14 23:16:21

Can't go wrong with the papirus icon sets...they look great in all the major DE's, even in KDE.

sleekmason · 2022-07-16 15:43:27

Updated Lilidog-amd64-2022.07.15 - https://sourceforge.net/projects/lilidog/
Latest Changes

Last update for a bit (three weeks or so). Didn't think I would get this release finished so soon but glad I did.

sleekmason · 2022-07-17 13:54:47

Something new for those who might want to test a new tint2 option.

I noticed the mate-power-manager notifications seem lacking for battery, so I made an extra option in the tint2 options to add additional info to the battery section of tint2, to allow for extra battery notifications for "Fully Charged" "Critical Battery Low", "Power Connected", and "Power Disconnected".

With this, I also added a dialog so you can choose the percentage level of the critical battery warning (5%, 10%, 15%, ...up to 70%), which will show up as a red critical battery warning message that needs to be dismissed when activated. The current mate-power-manager notification for low battery passes by in a flash at some percentage below 10%, and if you miss it . . .. For desktop systems, pushing the button just gets you a message saying "No Battery Found".

The other item of interest is I separated the Polybar config from the dk folder, and made a separate installer for polybar (with a basic working config in place), which will allow for changing to either panel on the fly while in both Openbox and dk. Ctrl + Win + T (tint2) or p (Polybar)

Best to close one before starting the other.

These are currently ready to go in github and will be part of the next release in a couple of weeks. https://github.com/sleekmason/Lilidog

ceeslans · 2022-07-17 18:27:46

sleekmason wrote:

Something new for those who might want to test a new tint2 option.
I noticed the mate-power-manager notifications seem lacking for battery, so I made an extra option in the tint2 options to add additional info to the battery section of tint2, to allow for extra battery notifications for "Fully Charged" "Critical Battery Low", "Power Connected", and "Power Disconnected".
...

Tint2 can also be configured to show a battery-low alert in the panel itself, as soon as the "battery_hide=" value is surpassed
I actually use that option to make up for not running a power-manager at all on my fluxbox setup.

tint2 battery-section:

# Battery
battery_tooltip = 1
battery_background_id = 0
battery_low_status = 15
battery_hide = 15
bat1_font = DejaVu Sans Condensed Bold 10
bat2_font = DejaVu Sans Condensed 8
battery_font_color = #df3030 100
bat1_format =  BAT
bat2_format = %p
battery_padding = 4 0
battery_low_cmd = notify-send -t 100000  "Battery low !! "
ac_connected_cmd = notify-send 'Connected to power'
ac_disconnected_cmd = notify-send 'Disconnected from power'

sleekmason · 2022-07-17 21:06:15

ceeslans wrote:

sleekmason wrote:
Something new for those who might want to test a new tint2 option.
I noticed the mate-power-manager notifications seem lacking for battery, so I made an extra option in the tint2 options to add additional info to the battery section of tint2, to allow for extra battery notifications for "Fully Charged" "Critical Battery Low", "Power Connected", and "Power Disconnected".
...
Tint2 can also be configured to show a battery-low alert in the panel itself, as soon as the "battery_hide=" value is surpassed
I actually use that option to make up for not running a power-manager at all on my fluxbox setup.
https://i.imgur.com/O8xoXDh.png
tint2 battery-section:
# Battery
battery_tooltip = 1
battery_background_id = 0
battery_low_status = 15
battery_hide = 15
bat1_font = DejaVu Sans Condensed Bold 10
bat2_font = DejaVu Sans Condensed 8
battery_font_color = #df3030 100
bat1_format =  BAT
bat2_format = %p
battery_padding = 4 0
battery_low_cmd = notify-send -t 100000  "Battery low !! "
ac_connected_cmd = notify-send 'Connected to power'
ac_disconnected_cmd = notify-send 'Disconnected from power'

Nice! I like the look of the extra panel notification. Thank you for sharing your configuration! I'll have to check it out:)

johnraff · 2022-07-18 01:55:03

Hey guys, this low-battery notification is a problem for laptops on BL too. Xfce4-power-manager doesn't put up an alert, there's a plugin for xfce4-panel that's not fantastic, so @ceeslans tint2 config looks quite interesting. Thanks!

Do I remember reading that dunst had a way of putting out audio alerts too?
I've been caught several times on my laptop by sudden suspends due to low battery that I just hadn't noticed.

DeepDayze · 2022-07-18 13:49:32

For the basic power-management on laptops why not tlp, and use @ceeslan's tint2 config for the low battery indicator and both audio and visual alerts about low battery state? In addition I'd suggest seeing a battery/AC indicator to tell whether you have ac or battery power.

Good stuff that can be an alternative to the xfce-powermanager which seems to be a tad buggy.

unklar · 2022-07-18 15:27:46

DeepDayze wrote:

...
In addition I'd suggest seeing a battery/AC indicator to tell whether you have ac or battery power.
...

ceeslans wrote:

...
ac_connected_cmd = notify-send 'Connected to power'
ac_disconnected_cmd = notify-send 'Disconnected from power'

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