Proposal to make bunsen-meta-all (and lite) init agnostic

Bearded_Blunder · 2022-02-25 19:59:24

Fair warning, I may revisit this suggestion regarding depends on the meta for Boron, given systems "missing" dbus-user-session are even less likely without direct & or deliberate user intervention, it's included in "Standard system utilities" in Bookworm. Systems without task-standard are a rarity indeed, I think between that & all the other ways it gets pulled in.. the check could be dispensed with there.

DeepDayze · 2022-02-25 21:29:57

Bearded_Blunder wrote:

Fair warning, I may revisit this suggestion regarding depends on the meta for Boron, given systems "missing" dbus-user-session are even less likely without direct & or deliberate user intervention, it's included in "Standard system utilities" in Bookworm. Systems without task-standard are a rarity indeed, I think between that & all the other ways it gets pulled in.. the check could be dispensed with there.

Boron will undoubtedly be based on Bookworm and at this stage there's nothing set in stone for when Bookworm goes stable in maybe 2 years. This still is a good topic and hopefully there be a sensible set of deps for b-m-a in relation with d-u-s and d-x11. I am sure the devs will look into this and maybe something like this can be tested even in Beryllium.

Bearded_Blunder · 2022-02-27 03:18:39

Well obviously the focus now is Beryllium. I've accepted defeat on this proposal for Beryllium.

Still a few advance thoughts for Boron won't hurt, who knows if enough are floated Boron might beat Debian 12.1 to release, which would only be a good thing for appearances.

That's NOT a dig at the Devs. They work hard & there aren't many, maybe starting thinking on Boron soon after Beryllium releases, or even before might help.

Bullseye has been through 11.0, 11.1, & is now on 11.2, while Beryllium isn't at release candidate yet.

I'm no help either proposing changes late in the game ]:D even if they were rejected

rbh · 2022-04-27 20:47:12

johnraff wrote:

(we had an issue with catfish).

Today I upgraded a computer I haven't used for a couple of months. Noted that catfish after upgrade was removed from jgmenu.

Is it because of the problem with catfish? I'm used to use locate and grep. Have been thinking to start use catfish... What is the problem with catfish?

Bearded_Blunder · 2022-04-27 21:19:38

@rbh On my system Catfish is living under Applications > Accessories > Catfish File Search it also appears if you open the menu & start typing.. by the time you've got as far as catf it's the only thing listed.

You haven't perhaps removed it, or removed one of its depends?
What's the output of `apt-cache policy catfish`?

Sorry I can't tell you what the issue was with it.

@johnraff What was the issue? I've been casually using Catfish on my laptop having totally forgotten you said there was an issue. It's running Be, under sysvinit+openrc with d-u-s obviously missing as a result, I've had no issues, it seems to work exactly as one would expect.

rbh · 2022-04-28 00:55:20

Bearded_Blunder wrote:

@rbh On my system Catfish is living under Applications > Accessories > Catfish File Search

After upgrading bl-configs, I opened /home/rbh/.cache/bunsen/bl-setup/log.

Last line was "Overwriting /home/rbh/.config/jgmenu/prepend.csv, backing up old file as /home/rbh/.config/jgmenu/prepend.csv.20220427-220628.usersetup~".

Comparing jgmenu/prepend.csv.*, showed that line "Find file,catfish", had been removed. I have no memory adding it myself, hence my question. But my memory is not so good after Covid...

The package was not removed, so of cource the link under Applications ->... is there and jgmenus search function finds it.

hhh · 2022-04-29 06:23:51

Catfish...

johnraff · 2022-04-30 06:14:57

Long discussion on catfish:
https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=7392
It was an intermittent error, but a combination of installing dbus-user-session and waiting for the bullseye upgrade seems to have fixed it.

As for the menu entry, at some point after introducing jgmenu we had a discussion and decided that some of the utilities could lose their hard-coded place in the menu since they were easily found under "Applications". Alt+F3 to invoke dmenu works well too.

Last edited by johnraff (2022-04-30 06:19:34)

johnraff · 2022-08-08 04:59:41

johnraff wrote:

Netinstall Script
The netinstall script is really pretty much a personal project, which started out as an alternative way to install CrunchBang. These days BL packages pretty much know how to look after themselves so all you have to do to get the system is install them, but the #! system did need a bit of tweaking beyond just installing the packages. So the script has much more flexibility built-in than is needed these days just for installing BL.
It might be just right, though, for someone wanting to install something close to BL on a non-standard Debian base, eg no systemd. Apart from two package install lists - with and without recommends - there is a directory tree that gets copied in before the big install, and another one afterwards. Also some system commands that run before, and some more after, the install. So there's plenty of scope for hacking without having to touch the main "install" script at all.
So if you've got the impression I'm not too thrilled about adding a lot of non-systemd options to the base BL utilities, I would rather entertain the idea of making a no-systemd branch of the netinstall script incorporating all the package choices and system tweaks needed to make it work. It would be nice for the script to have a raison d'être again.

The Beryllium Netinstall script is now ready, for anyone who wants to play with it.
https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=8250

#21 2022-02-25 19:59:24

Re: Proposal to make bunsen-meta-all (and lite) init agnostic

#22 2022-02-25 21:29:57

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