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PackRat · 2021-08-13 00:46:32

DeepDayze wrote:

Seems like an interesting distro so might give this one a try as well.

Check it out. I first tried Void a couple years ago when they were one of (if not the) first distro to switch to systemd only - no sysVinit shim or fallback. It was good, but the project was still really new so I went back to Sid/VSIDO. That lasted a year or so, then back to Void when they dropped systemd for runnit (one of the developers had an excellent blog entry for why they dropped systemd - and no, he did not flame systemd in the blog). Been running Void daily since (and ArchLabs on the old HP laptop). I now use their void-mklive script to roll my own installation iso.

DeepDayze · 2021-08-13 01:14:03

PackRat wrote:

DeepDayze wrote:
Seems like an interesting distro so might give this one a try as well.
Check it out. I first tried Void a couple years ago when they were one of (if not the) first distro to switch to systemd only - no sysVinit shim or fallback. It was good, but the project was still really new so I went back to Sid/VSIDO. That lasted a year or so, then back to Void when they dropped systemd for runnit (one of the developers had an excellent blog entry for why they dropped systemd - and no, he did not flame systemd in the blog). Been running Void daily since (and ArchLabs on the old HP laptop). I now use their void-mklive script to roll my own installation iso.

Interesting history to say the least. What does Runit have that's superior to systemd or even the old-school Sysvinit? Perhaps I'll find out when I take this for a spin.

As for Vsido, that was one cool distro and shame that VastOne ran into so many issues with installers and such.

PackRat · 2021-08-13 01:55:22

DeepDayze wrote:

PackRat wrote:
DeepDayze wrote:
Seems like an interesting distro so might give this one a try as well.
Check it out. I first tried Void a couple years ago when they were one of (if not the) first distro to switch to systemd only - no sysVinit shim or fallback. It was good, but the project was still really new so I went back to Sid/VSIDO. That lasted a year or so, then back to Void when they dropped systemd for runnit (one of the developers had an excellent blog entry for why they dropped systemd - and no, he did not flame systemd in the blog). Been running Void daily since (and ArchLabs on the old HP laptop). I now use their void-mklive script to roll my own installation iso.
Interesting history to say the least. What does Runit have that's superior to systemd or even the old-school Sysvinit? Perhaps I'll find out when I take this for a spin.
As for Vsido, that was one cool distro and shame that VastOne ran into so many issues with installers and such.

They liked the simplicity of administering runnit - it's feature complete and just works. There has been some comments in the dev circle about switching to s6-rc - which is now in the repos.

lowrider · 2021-08-13 02:30:53

unklar wrote:

Speedtest = 985 mbps download = dreamlike result
Here, in the wonderland of Germany, I still have to struggle with 8 mbps download.
Exactly 8 years ago(!), the eternal Chancellor of the Germans made the remarkable statement during Obama's visit:
"The Internet is new territory for all of us, and it also enables enemies and opponents of our basic democratic order to threaten our way of life with entirely new possibilities and entirely new approaches."
Unfortunately, nothing has changed in the "new territory" until today..., well, in the fall she wants to step down.

Speedtest = 815 mbps download
Hahaha, die "ewige Kanzlerin" und ihr legendäres Statement. Danke für die Erinnerung. Bei mir im Dorf kommt immer noch nicht mehr als ne 10tausender Leitung an...

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DeepDayze · 2021-08-13 02:47:16

PackRat wrote:

DeepDayze wrote:
PackRat wrote:
Check it out. I first tried Void a couple years ago when they were one of (if not the) first distro to switch to systemd only - no sysVinit shim or fallback. It was good, but the project was still really new so I went back to Sid/VSIDO. That lasted a year or so, then back to Void when they dropped systemd for runnit (one of the developers had an excellent blog entry for why they dropped systemd - and no, he did not flame systemd in the blog). Been running Void daily since (and ArchLabs on the old HP laptop). I now use their void-mklive script to roll my own installation iso.
Interesting history to say the least. What does Runit have that's superior to systemd or even the old-school Sysvinit? Perhaps I'll find out when I take this for a spin.
As for Vsido, that was one cool distro and shame that VastOne ran into so many issues with installers and such.
They liked the simplicity of administering runnit - it's feature complete and just works. There has been some comments in the dev circle about switching to s6-rc - which is now in the repos.

Hmmm, s6 looks quite interesting and it is like a successor to Runit. Wish Debian can make use of this but it isn't really GPL and that in itself may be a blocker for adoption within Debian and that Debian went all-in with systemd.

kozimodo · 2021-08-13 19:56:22

eight.bit.al wrote:

Void Linux
https://voidlinux.org/

Thanks for the pick! I found a Gnome iso and tried it out. Pretty nice. Updated to Gnome 40 and configured everything as I want.

I've been playing with various Gnome 40 distros lately (Fedora, Manjaro and openSuse Tumbleweed). I don't know if Evolution has changed in recent years (tried it off and on over the years) but I'm finding it very usable. It's nice to have email, contacts and calendar all in one integrated app and it is way less resource intensive than thunderbird/lightning/tbsync. Hence my recent attraction to Gnome (I know I can run it in Bunsenlabs but it's so nicely integrated into Gnome).

hhh · 2021-08-14 08:49:37

kozimodo wrote:

It's nice to have email, contacts and calendar all in one integrated app and it is way less resource intensive than thunderbird/lightning/tbsync. Hence my recent attraction to Gnome (I know I can run it in Bunsenlabs but it's so nicely integrated into Gnome).

Desktop Environment. It has it's perks.

ohnonot · 2021-08-14 12:59:03

kozimodo wrote:

I don't know if Evolution has changed in recent years (tried it off and on over the years) but I'm finding it very usable. It's nice to have email, contacts and calendar all in one integrated app

I have been using Evolution for a while (without using the Gnome Desktop as such) and I concur; it's an accomplished software - and the easiest to sync calendar & contacts that are not hosted by my email provider.

DeepDayze · 2021-08-14 14:59:27

hhh wrote:

kozimodo wrote:
It's nice to have email, contacts and calendar all in one integrated app and it is way less resource intensive than thunderbird/lightning/tbsync. Hence my recent attraction to Gnome (I know I can run it in Bunsenlabs but it's so nicely integrated into Gnome).
Desktop Environment. It has it's perks.

KDE is also getting better and I remembered it once was a bloated crashy mess (KDE 4 especially).

Martin · 2021-08-14 21:36:13

Anyone tried Void Linux on old (~2003), 32-bit HW?

/Martin

kozimodo · 2021-08-14 23:35:59

ohnonot wrote:

I have been using Evolution for a while (without using the Gnome Desktop as such) and I concur; it's an accomplished software - and the easiest to sync calendar & contacts that are not hosted by my email provider.

I have a mail-in-the-box instance and with the email address, Evolution configures email and discovers my contacts and calendars.

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Martin · 2021-08-15 08:57:29

Martin wrote:

Anyone tried Void Linux on old (~2003), 32-bit HW?
/Martin

Now I have tried and I encountered an unusual problem: The live-DVD boots OK but then everything goes black: No desktop. I have tried on my daily ride (a ten year old 64-bit thing) and that works like a charm. I have double-checked and yes, the live-DVD contains a 32-bit iso.

Last time I used the 32-bit HW I used it to practice setting up RAID using two HDDs and md. There are error messages when the live-DVD boots related to this, something about not being able to read MD-whatever. There is no such error message related to the btrfs-based RAID set-up on my main computer. Does this observation -- md-based RAID configuration de-railing live-session -- make sense?

/Martin

Martin · 2021-08-15 20:11:07

Martin wrote:

Martin wrote:
Anyone tried Void Linux on old (~2003), 32-bit HW?
/Martin
Now I have tried and I encountered an unusual problem: The live-DVD boots OK but then everything goes black: No desktop. I have tried on my daily ride (a ten year old 64-bit thing) and that works like a charm. I have double-checked and yes, the live-DVD contains a 32-bit iso.
Last time I used the 32-bit HW I used it to practice setting up RAID using two HDDs and md. There are error messages when the live-DVD boots related to this, something about not being able to read MD-whatever. There is no such error message related to the btrfs-based RAID set-up on my main computer. Does this observation -- md-based RAID configuration de-railing live-session -- make sense?
/Martin

Found a 32-bit Linux Mint 17 laying around and tried it. No problem bringing up a working environment. Too heavy for that HW though.

/Martin

deleted0 · 2021-08-15 20:25:14

Martin wrote:

Found a 32-bit Linux Mint 17 laying around and tried it. No problem bringing up a working environment. Too heavy for that HW though.
/Martin

Try SparkyLinux MinimalGUI (Openbox/Buster)

https://sparkylinux.org/download/stable/

Like to see how it measures up.

8bit

Edit: There is also a Stretch version on old stable.
https://sparkylinux.org/download/oldstable/

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Martin · 2021-08-16 06:34:38

eight.bit.al wrote:

Martin wrote:
Found a 32-bit Linux Mint 17 laying around and tried it. No problem bringing up a working environment. Too heavy for that HW though.
/Martin
Try SparkyLinux MinimalGUI (Openbox/Buster)

Sounds like I might as well go with Bunselabs :-)

The point of trying Void was to try something else.

/Martin

Martin · 2021-08-29 09:36:38

Yesterday I installed antiX. It also struggles with the graphical side of things. It insists on 640x480 resolution for both Live session and installed. I could only install using the cli installer. It seems antiX choose to run graphics in VESA mode.

I can get 1024x768 if unplugging the screen before booting.

The user interface is *very* laggy (tens of seconds in response time) yet the CPU load and RAM footprint are really low.

Computer 'fun' on a rainy day :-)

/Martin

nore · 2021-08-29 16:19:24

^Economical, ecological, ahead of your time.

ohnonot · 2021-08-31 06:51:26

Martin wrote:

Yesterday I installed antiX. It also struggles with the graphical side of things. It insists on 640x480 resolution for both Live session and installed. I could only install using the cli installer. It seems antiX choose to run graphics in VESA mode.

Virtual machine?

unklar · 2021-08-31 10:17:05

Link Link

On August 15/16 @arpinux released its new ISO's based on Debian 11.
In QEMU this already looks good and I will "upgrade" this on the x40 from 10.7.

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Martin · 2021-08-31 12:07:46

ohnonot wrote:

Martin wrote:
Yesterday I installed antiX. It also struggles with the graphical side of things. It insists on 640x480 resolution for both Live session and installed. I could only install using the cli installer. It seems antiX choose to run graphics in VESA mode.
Virtual machine?

No, a Shuttle SK41G from 2003 with an AMD Athlon CPU. 32-bit.

On Virtualbox I have no issues, at least not when going for the virtual machine boot option.

/Martin

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