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#26 2021-07-26 01:14:14

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Re: Techy stuff for developers

@Johnraff, the concern may be the size of all the firmware files to be pulled in by the suggested bunsen-firmware-all package as @twoion alluded to, be too large to fit them all onto the CD-size ISO, but maybe on the DVD-sized one it can be included. Having that proposed BL meta-package in the BL repos would also be useful for those upgrading from older releases or for those using the CD-sized ISO.

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#27 2021-07-26 03:05:40

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^There's no way such a firmware bundle could go on a CD sized iso. I'd say, right now, whether we can even continue shipping a CD iso or not is up for question. Every Debian release the size of the core components goes up, and Lithium already meant a lot of squeezing and corner-cutting.

I doubt many people use DVDs now (?) but our regular iso could hold a bunsen-firmware-all metapackage if we agreed on what should go in it. Or just have it in the repos.


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#28 2021-07-26 03:50:33

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johnraff wrote:

^There's no way such a firmware bundle could go on a CD sized iso. I'd say, right now, whether we can even continue shipping a CD iso or not is up for question. Every Debian release the size of the core components goes up, and Lithium already meant a lot of squeezing and corner-cutting.

I doubt many people use DVDs now (?) but our regular iso could hold a bunsen-firmware-all metapackage if we agreed on what should go in it. Or just have it in the repos.

Yeah understandable and maybe it's time to consider abandoning the CD-sized format and simply delivering the 32 bit image as a DVD sized one. Hopefully you can at least ship a smaller DVD-lite ISO file image that perhaps is not larger than 800MB...

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#29 2021-07-26 04:23:17

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DeepDayze wrote:

Hopefully you can at least ship a smaller DVD-lite ISO file image that perhaps is not larger than 800MB...

That could be the current CD iso if it turns out to be impossible to get it down to 700MB. But maybe in that case, rather than iso size, tweak it for lightness in system demands when installed? The bunsen-meta-light metapackage attempts to do that in a small way, but probably more could be done, as long as it didn't take away too much dev time from the main setup.


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#30 2021-07-27 06:27:04

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But, let's not forget the above link was to an ongoing conversation. There was more activity yesterday, eg: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugrepo … =989863#41

These guys aren't messing around - what they're aiming to do AFAICT is to have the "with-firmware" Debian isos check over the system hardware, add "non-free" repo if necessary and automatically install any firmware needed. cool

Quite a bit more elegant than shipping a 200MB bundle by default.

What's more, it looks as if a good bit of this will be in place for the Bullseye release:
https://tracker.debian.org/news/1245038 … -unstable/
https://tracker.debian.org/news/1244998 … -unstable/

So I think we should hold off on any BL firmware metapackage, and rather focus on making sure our live-build setup includes these improvements.


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#31 2021-07-27 13:37:59

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Didn't see that new convo @Johnraff, and that sounds like a very good thing it will be in Bullseye and then Beryllium! ^^

Having the installer auto-install any f/w needed will be a good thing, or at least prompt the user if they want to install any firmware for devices that are detected.

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#32 2021-07-28 00:59:59

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So we might need to wait till post-Bullseye-release to see how it all shakes out, but if the stars align right maybe the good live-build people will import this in time for our Beryllium build. Alternatively, maybe there'll be a path for us to do it ourselves...


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