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#1361 2021-06-10 18:53:32

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

eight.bit.al wrote:

https://scrot.cloud/images/2021/06/10/cpufetch1.th.png

The latest Archcraft, and updated site.

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Looks good and wonder how it compares to ArchLabs?


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#1362 2021-06-16 08:37:16

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

I've installed Regolith recently, which is a distro based on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS and with a tiling manager of its own design which is heavily based on i3 but also having elements of Gnome.

Unfortunately it's not perfect and is prone to "freezing up" when some applications are launched, thus necessitating a reboot (with Libreoffice and Thunderbird in particular), and also has quite a dark theme by default although this can be changed.

It's very good to have so many workspaces (20!) to play with though. I'm mostly sticking to using the odd-numbered ones, but even then it's possible to have one window in each workspace and to switch back and forth between them if you want to. The status bar is also big and easy to read, and shows at any time which workspace you're in.

IMO it's not a "must have" distro, but definitely worth trying if you like tiling window managers.

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#1363 2021-06-19 20:32:54

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

DeepDayze wrote:
eight.bit.al wrote:

https://scrot.cloud/images/2021/06/10/cpufetch1.th.png

The latest Archcraft, and updated site.

8bit

Looks good and wonder how it compares to ArchLabs?

I've just installed it and either it's very slow booting or there's a problem somewhere. I gave up in the end.

For me and my machine, Manjaro is the only consistently good and usable Arch distro, apart from Mabox which is heavily based on it; your mileage may vary of course.

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#1364 2021-06-20 00:13:12

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Latest testing - Siduction

https://testbuilds.siduction.site/

Plasma:

kde1.th.png  kde2.th.png

Xfce4:

xfce1.th.png  xfce2.th.png

xfce3.th.png  xfce4.th.png

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#1365 2021-06-20 02:08:55

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

eight.bit.al wrote:

Latest testing - Siduction

This should not be slow. Nice desktops!


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#1366 2021-06-20 15:32:47

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Very good presentation eight.bit.al smile too many bloat processes nowdays, i as an minimalistic profile on a old hardware have no idea about so many processes are doing, but having 32GB mem who cares anymore? Just wonder how much the processor temperature rose when you did the cpu-stress? did reach 100 degree C?

I'll buy very soon 8core 16threads. I only haven't decided yet to go for newest Optiplex/XPS or HP Z like 840 series the later look a wonder to me when it comes to specifications. Only Dells are more my target.

Dell XPS (Bussiness/Home)
https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/desktop … 8940ser50h

Dell Optiplex (Bussiness/Minimalistic/Home)
https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/de … 1o7080mtus

vs

HP Z840 (IT/Home/Graphics/Servers)
https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c04505606

I'm long time Linux Dell user that i like Z840 specifications, on other hand i really like Dell as it is more modern.
So I'm in a dilemma, which to choose. I'm not an hardcore when it comes to photo or video edits, also i dont play games. I simply want an powerful or modern system for my next linux.

If someone had the money ready, for which you would it be for?
In fact, this question would be better formulated in a form of poll, but i am asking right here hoping not to bother the topic.

To stick on the topic, the first distro i'll install on a new system would be Fedora. I will test a lot others OS'es though.

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#1367 2021-06-20 18:09:23

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Nili wrote:

Very good presentation eight.bit.al smile too many bloat processes nowdays, i as an minimalistic profile on a old hardware have no idea about so many processes are doing, but having 32GB mem who cares anymore? Just wonder how much the processor temperature rose when you did the cpu-stress? did reach 100 degree C?

Thank you. That was stock as shipped; I'm sure a lot of extra processes could be eliminated. I didn't check the temp, didn't run it for long.

I'll buy very soon 8core 16threads. I only haven't decided yet to go for newest Optiplex/XPS or HP Z like 840 series the later look a wonder to me when it comes to specifications. Only Dells are more my target.

Dell XPS (Bussiness/Home)
https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/desktop … 8940ser50h

Dell Optiplex (Bussiness/Minimalistic/Home)
https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/de … 1o7080mtus

vs

HP Z840 (IT/Home/Graphics/Servers)
https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c04505606

The Z840 is probably overkill for your needs as discribed; I'd go with a single processor motherboard. Z440.
The Z models are an older design, the NVMe drive is on a PCIe card where the Dells have the adapter build onto the MB. Not much difference in usage. Biggest difference is the PCIe card can be installed in another system. (after the HP protection mechanism is unlocked)(https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic … 83#p114183)

The HP's have more expansion slots, The Dells have a better BIOS, IMHO. That XPS Desktop Special Edition sure looks sweet, if one has the money. Otherwise I'd go for the OptiPlex 7080 and add a discrete vid card, if the prices ever come down. The 10th Gen CPU is better supported in Linux than the latest from Intel, but that won't last long.

I'm long time Linux Dell user that i like Z840 specifications, on other hand i really like Dell as it is more modern.
So I'm in a dilemma, which to choose. I'm not an hardcore when it comes to photo or video edits, also i dont play games. I simply want an powerful or modern system for my next linux.

If someone had the money ready, for which you would it be for?
In fact, this question would be better formulated in a form of poll, but i am asking right here hoping not to bother the topic.

To stick on the topic, the first distro i'll install on a new system would be Fedora. I will test a lot others OS'es though.

The powers that be are generous about a little thread drift. We should start another thread if this continues. smile

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#1368 2021-06-20 20:12:36

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Thanks for your review eight.bit.al for all three systems looking one by one.

I don't have much money for XPS as i like it very much. About Optiplex-7080 for this one i have available. Perhaps i will go for the later Optiplex. 10Gen as it is more stable.

HP Z series confused my thoughts about his slots features. But you're right, why do i need two processors when i have no needs for large graphics or server jobs?

I liked the 4 HDD slots of HP Z840, imagine to put 4 HDD with many TB for torrenting and seeds from home, however even in XPS / Optiplex can be installed not 4 but 2 enough.

I have read that Dell Bios upgrading on Linux is easier as Dell-page presents. While HP it's not that simple, as a few reads on internet says.

I would read such topics with interest as a beginner in hardware specifications matter now that i'm somewhat ready to buy.

Appreciate your clarification opinion.

P.S. next time do a check about cpu-stress temperature, when CPU reach 100% that the first to be checked i think. smile

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#1369 2021-06-20 20:35:09

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Nili wrote:

I liked the 4 HDD slots of HP Z840, imagine to put 4 HDD with many TB for torrenting and seeds from home, however even in XPS / Optiplex can be installed not 4 but 2 enough.

I have read that Dell Bios upgrading on Linux is easier as Dell-page presents. While HP it's not that simple, as a few reads on internet says.

With an eSATA adapter, you can get good speeds from an external drive, and have portability too. Could have several external drive enclosures, each containing several drives.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/323227529835

My distro hopping test rig is setup this way using a single drive caddy:

test_setup1_1200.th.jpg test_setup_1200.th.jpg

Both my HP Z 230 and Z 440 and my Dell 3630 can update the BIOS from within the BIOS with no operating system as long as there is a network connection. (upgrade and downgrade).

Glad to be of help. smile

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Mod: please move this part of the thread if needed. TIA.

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#1370 2021-06-20 21:28:34

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I tried a couple of Exton's distros / spinoffs today; Extix 21.5, which is based on both Debian and Ubuntu, and SlackEX 210501 which as its name suggests is based on Slackware (15.0 Beta).

I didn't have much luck with ExTix because it didn't detect my network card, but SlackEX worked well once I'd sorted out an installation glitch which prevented it from saving my user name and password. I'm posting from it now.

SlackEX also uses Enlightenment as its main window manager, one of the very few distros to do so (Bodhi is another one). I have to say that both of them are a bit rough around the edges though, and not really worth trying if you want a distro which works flawlessly out of the box.

They also have a fairly minimal level of software included as standard so things like an e-mail client and an office suite have to be installed separately.

[EDIT: SlackEX comes with Mutt installed, if you know how to set it up; I don't).

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#1371 2021-06-21 04:05:58

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^ No soup cans in sight. Nice pics.


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#1372 2021-06-21 10:55:27

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

eight.bit.al wrote:

With an eSATA adapter, you can get good speeds from an external drive, and have portability too. Could have several external drive enclosures, each containing several drives.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/323227529835

My distro hopping test rig is setup this way using a single drive caddy:

https://scrot.cloud/images/2020/07/25/test_setup1_1200.th.jpg https://scrot.cloud/images/2020/07/25/test_setup_1200.th.jpg

Both my HP Z 230 and Z 440 and my Dell 3630 can update the BIOS from within the BIOS with no operating system as long as there is a network connection. (upgrade and downgrade).

Glad to be of help. smile

8bit

Mod: please move this part of the thread if needed. TIA.

Very nice setup you got there eight.bit.al thanks for sharing. I have a few external HDDs, but i have impression they work way faster if are installed internal. I only did Dell upgrade via Bios since i mostly used DELL. The only HP I have a 27w HP monitor FHD that i'm pleased using it.

@Mod please move my messages to a most appropriate topic.

Thanks again 8bit for sharing your thoughts!


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#1373 2021-06-21 11:36:55

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Nili wrote:

but i have impression they work way faster if are installed internal.

Of cource, an internal disk work faster than if external attached. If working with very disk intensive application; database etc, you will notice a difference.
When just testing a new distro, surfing or writing, working with graphics etc, you will hardly notice the difference betwen an internal sata or external USB3/Esata disk.


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#1374 2021-06-21 12:37:32

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Thanks for your point rbh, i still haven't got a USB3 system. Once i bought a new system i believe i will be able to understand the difference in one way or another. Oh well, i don't work with very busy applications, only torrenting 24/7, other simply Internet stuff streaming forums, copy paste stuff from desktop to android, local audio/video player or viewer. Basically normal daily home usages.
The only edits i made is ffmpeg, i'm really happy with results.


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#1375 2021-06-21 14:13:37

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Nili wrote:

I have a few external HDDs, but i have impression they work way faster if are installed internal.

Well, I had to run some tests. smile

First is the results for the external eSATA drive caddy. Second is the same drive hooked to the same port on the motherboard, standard SATA cable:

dirve-io.th.png

Nothing an average, home user would ever notice. Don't have a quality exterior enclosure to test with, might be even better throughput.

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#1376 2021-06-23 23:41:15

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hhh wrote:

^ No soup cans in sight. Nice pics.

Almost missed this. :-) Oatmeal cans. smile

Old pic:
IMG_20210202_153908741.th.jpg

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#1377 2021-06-24 00:03:44

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^ Thanks what I'm talking about! Nice. Satellites are in nearly perfect position. I'd go with 1 inch forward or 1 back from the screens to reduce reflections and give a slightly better sound-stage, but damn close, and with the angled screens maybe perfect as-is. The height and tow-in definitely look near-perfect. Loving the teal clock.


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#1378 2021-06-24 01:28:07

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^ Yes. When I'm really into the music, I pull them in about 6 inches. wink

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#1379 2021-06-24 02:55:44

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^ That a boy!


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#1380 2021-06-27 12:40:56

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@eight.bit.al

Hello again, I finally managed to buy an DELL Optiplex 5080 exactly this one.

51271681792_4258d37900_n.jpg

I started with Fedora, I found appropriate time to test GNOME 40+. So far it seems to me very good and fast, let's say a PC suitable for home uses tasks. The advice went to the right ear that it wasn't necessary to have a dual processor for household items, as i was almost ready to buy HP Z840 without thinking too long.

I think this was the better appropriate choice for me. THANKS!


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