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Head_on_a_Stick · 2015-12-12 10:14:08

BLwillbegreat! wrote:

Ya almost got me there

]:D

In all seriousness, anybody wanting to try OpenBSD (or indeed any of the BSDs) should try it out on a separate drive.

They tend to play cuckoo with other operating systems unless you know what you're doing.

BLizgreat! · 2015-12-12 16:17:24

^Thanks ... not even going there though. Have considered it for quite awhile and since am truly lazy think I'll just stick to gnu/Linux. Inititally evaluated the bsd's vs Nix and for reasons only somewhat recall gnu/nix won out.

*Hardware support, speed and size of community developing the platform being the main two I remember.

Plus doesn't appear Openbsd is able to grok GPT/UEFI as of yet and am not enabling legacy ( CSM) on any PC. It's almost 2016, any platform not up with the times I'm leaving behind. That's one way to simplify my tech-life. Will just try to be content playing with Arch and Debian is really all I need in an OS. Next big gnu/nix adventure for me is Fedora. Have been wanting to install it just to see.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2015-12-12 16:37:38

BLwillbegreat! wrote:

Plus doesn't appear Openbsd is able to grok GPT/UEFI

Posting this from my UEFI OpenBSD laptop with Secure Boot enabled

https://blog.jasper.la/openbsd-uefi-bootloader-howto/

EDIT: Only in -current

BLizgreat! · 2015-12-12 17:28:23

^ Hey thanks again HOAS,

Guess a rudimentary search and some somewhat recent discussion don't a fact make fellow nixer. Also appreciate the heads up about using a seperate hard disk if ever do get around to installing Openbsd will definitely heed your advice. Maybe someday but really doubting it. Think I could spend the rest of ma life dorking with gnu/Linux and still won't have covered but a fraction of all the kickbutt stuff possible to do with it.

Trying to work up the energy to dork with Fedora atm. Have you tried it yet HOAS ? If so mind sharing your impression/findings ?

Vll!

Head_on_a_Stick · 2015-12-12 18:44:17

BLwillbegreat! wrote:

Fedora

I use F23 as my live environment for internet banking and suchlike.

It has a very nice SELinux implementation and firewall setup and of course the GNOME 3.18 desktop is lovely to use.

I did try Rawhide briefly but I couldn't make it work as a usable desktop.

BLizgreat! · 2015-12-12 19:04:10

^Duly noted ... will eventually give Fedora a shot. Now that Arch is setup, am bored but runs very well and do like it, as have every other time I'd dorked with it. Just initially a big pain in the buttocks, after which a person ends up with a gnu/Linux OS.

Kinda get where the people behind Arch are coming from. They invested time,effort, expense. So it's a rite of passage expecting new users to do likewise. Was going to try Gentoo but came to my senses in time ( and with some advice from respected nixers on the topic, confirming the conclusions I'd reached.)

aka: Would be a good learning experience but overall doubting it's worth all the time/hassle. With marginal performance benefits for the required investment. Like 99.9% already provided by Debian-etc. Just can't see dumping a week for such gains.

End of the dy, have found my end all, be all OS = Debian but things like Arch and soon Fedora will help break things up and stave off boredom perhaps.

deleted0 · 2015-12-13 13:41:37

Just started playing with:
http://www.vkarobase.com.br/wakawa_reflex_en.php

Ascetically quite pleasing. More to follow.

8bit

nobody0 · 2015-12-13 14:34:06

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

BLwillbegreat! wrote:
Fedora
I use F23 as my live environment for internet banking and suchlike.

Safety in using internet banking depends on the bank's security system, rather than the OS, I suppose.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2015-12-13 14:37:19

ostrolek wrote:

Safety in using internet banking depends on the bank's security system, rather than the OS, I suppose.

That is a very good point but at least using the live environment completely rules out the possibility of key loggers or trojans (or root kits in my Secure Boot enabled set up).

I will probably change to Qubes OS as that offers virtualised containers for internet banking.
https://www.qubes-os.org/intro/

EDIT: Downloading now

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nobody0 · 2015-12-13 14:51:56

^ Its always better to speak with the bank about its security system, before joining that bank. And, also use few different OSs from time to time connect with the bank, and also keep your info in another partition or USB stick. Live system is on password-less root, so might be a problem.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2015-12-13 15:23:32

^ Good advice, thank you.

AFAIK only Kali runs live as root but maybe I am mistaken there.

damo · 2015-12-13 15:26:45

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

^ Good advice, thank you.
AFAIK only Kali runs live as root but maybe I am mistaken there.

Puppy?

nobody0 · 2015-12-13 15:36:38

This is BunsenLabs RC1 Live
/etc/passwd

root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash
......

/etc/group

root:x:0:
....

sudo su and you are in.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2015-12-13 15:52:56

damo wrote:

Puppy?

Oh yes, I forgot about that.

Barry Kauler has an interesting opinion on the viability of running as root:
http://puppylinux.com/technical/root.htm

Head_on_a_Stick · 2015-12-13 17:43:14

^ Chuck Norris runs as root

Mod Edit: Users are strongly advised *not* to follow the advice in the above link.
-HoaS

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nobody0 · 2015-12-13 20:15:56

^ Ahh...Gary's right!

When we install a distro from a live iso, we let that distro to take over our computer, and install whatever in whatever way. It'd even partition our hard drive (sure, it'd ask us if we want), it'd also install grub (or lilo or some other booting app) place whatever the configs, the distro developer thought as good for us and so on.

Any Linux live iso can be used to create havoc inside your or anyone's computer. You can use it to become the root and install or delete any apps in any partition and any installed operating system, including Windows. There are certain apps that can't be manipulated from within Windows, but can be done from any Linux live iso. I don't use Windows anymore, but I used a Linux live iso to add, delete, change files in system32 etc.

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Head_on_a_Stick · 2015-12-13 20:36:00

ostrolek wrote:

I used a Linux live iso to add, delete, change files in system32 etc.

+1

I used to get rid of Internet Explorer that way ]:D

gako · 2015-12-13 20:42:15

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

^ Chuck Norris runs as root
Mod Edit: Users are strongly advised *not* to follow the advice in the above link.
-HoaS

I'm too incompetent to run as root all the time...

For distro hopping I've turned into somewhat of a pirate.

- download disto
- mount filesystem
- jump aboard and shamelessly jack all the things! yarrb.

Been playing around with livarp today, and really enjoyed it.
I sense I'll be pillaging, looting the ship tonight.

pvsage · 2015-12-13 20:51:38

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

^ Chuck Norris runs as root
Mod Edit: Users are strongly advised *not* to follow the advice in the above link.
-HoaS

From the link:

Remember, it's your computer. Don't let anyone tell you what you can and cannot do.

Fine; I won't let you tell me to run as root. It's stupid, it's silly, and anyone who complains about having to use sudo or switch to the root account for administrative work and uses this as an excuse to run as root comes off as a whinging imbecile.

nobody0 · 2015-12-13 20:55:05

^ What is sudo?

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