#21 2021-03-03 11:02:20

drtrppr

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Re: Upgrade all debian repositorie packages?

Pretty sure you must be connected to the internet for a clean BL install.

I think it's not like a 'must', it's more like a 'should', BL installs fine without an internet-connection, that's not what's my 'wondering' is about.

During the installer process, the package manager needs to update the repos.

Don't think it is needed to update the repos/packages during the install in the sense BL won't run, will be unstable or whatever. The install without internet 'just' gives you a running stable BL which is a bit outdated (depending on the ISO you use). When you get the internet-connection going, updating repos/packages is a daily routine.

Can you not obtain a connection during the install?

No, BL doesn't support my internal wifi-chipset by default. I'm using an external WIFI USB-adapter which chipset is supported by BL. During the install, the USB-adapter isn't recognized or whatever, after retracting and putting it back in, a wifi connection is established. Works for me, isn't a problem.   

I would think you could possibly add the lines after install.

Yep, that's what you have to do, no big deal.

drtrppr

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Re: Upgrade all debian repositorie packages?

This is an issue with the Debian Installer itself, that it doesn't set up the repositories properly if installation is done without a net connection. The topic has come up on Debian mailing lists, and a fix might arrive one day.

Aha.

You would think, then, that since the BL installer just copies in the live system, the installed system should have all the apt repos too

Sort of, yes. But I'm not sure we're talking about the exact same thing. When I see the entry 'https://deb.debian.org/debian-security/' in Synaptic-repositories, which is there by default, why can't there be an extra line like 'https://deb.debian.org/debian/' (guess that's what you're trying to say that that isn't that obvious )?

Meanwhile, maybe the BL welcome script could check for missing repos and offer to add them? Something to think about for Beryllium...

Yes, but don't think a lot of people will have that 'problem'. Most of people will have an internet connection. My question arose from the fact having used other distros who explicitly stated not to use (some) packages of certain repositories.

drtrppr

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Re: Upgrade all debian repositorie packages?

Apart from the technical solutions, there's a documentation thingy, I think.

Soon after installing BL I tried to install ' Mirage' , and that was my second post on the forum, why didn't it install? Because of the missing repository.

I did read the 'Repositories' section on the BL-website in advance, and in my humble opinion it only mentions the bl-repositories, so I was more confident to just use these repositories, and not the debian ones.

Later on in this thread there is the reference to the sticky post 'Lithium sources.list and backports details'. I've seen that title, but didn't read it because I thought it was about BL-sources, and backports I'm not interested in. A title with ' repositories to use' or something like that would have triggered me reading that post.

Ok, let's finish this one, it's clear, not much of a problem to me.

johnraff

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Re: Upgrade all debian repositorie packages?

You would think, then, that since the BL installer just copies in the live system, the installed system should have all the apt repos too...

Sort of, yes. But I'm not sure we're talking about the exact same thing. When I see the entry 'https://deb.debian.org/debian-security/' in Synaptic-repositories, which is there by default, why can't there be an extra line like 'https://deb.debian.org/debian/' (guess that's what you're trying to say that that isn't that obvious )?

You left out the rest of my sentence, which was to say that although you might expect the repo settings to be copied into the new system along with everything else, in fact that doesn't happen because the Debian Installer has reasons of its own to handle apt configuration, even with a "live" install. Hence the missing repo line you'd want to have. And hence my proposition to get the "welcome" script (which runs at least once on new installs) to check it over and offer to fix things if necessary.

Yes, but don't think a lot of people will have that 'problem'.

You might be surprised. That particular issue has come up several times on this forum, and elsewhere. It's already on my to-do list in fact.

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