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#26 2020-12-16 12:44:38

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Re: Additions to Beryllium

vasa1 wrote:

I like to have

gtk-primary-button-warps-slider=0

in my ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini: legacy scrolling

What does this do?

*Edit - Little blind:) legacy scrolling

Thank you for the info!

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#27 2020-12-16 13:18:43

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Re: Additions to Beryllium

hhh wrote:
rbh wrote:
hhh wrote:

There's also an option in the installer to copy the missing driver(s) from USB during the install, but I can't remember the directory path needed to make that work (/lib/firmware, most likely). If anyone can chime in, cheers to you!

The installer will search the root of removable devices.

So put the diver(s) in / ? Define the path for me, as I've completely forgotten how I made it work 5 years ago.

I believe you can use another USB stick and put the firmware packages or files there and browse to them when prompted to install drivers.


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#28 2020-12-26 16:35:34

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Re: Additions to Beryllium

Package nwipe https://github.com/martijnvanbrummelen/nwipe might bee handy for live session.


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#29 2020-12-26 23:24:00

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Re: Additions to Beryllium

rbh wrote:

Package nwipe https://github.com/martijnvanbrummelen/nwipe might bee handy for live session.

That could be useful for completely erasing disks securely prior to repartitioning, or booting the live session to wipe  hard drives in the computer before either disposing of the disks or even to give the computer or drive to others.


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#30 2021-01-15 07:31:16

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Re: Additions to Beryllium

Honestly, i like back to only openbox menu. Back to essence the openbox.

Jgmenu is unnecessary in my opinion.

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#31 2021-01-15 16:18:06

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exe wrote:

Honestly, i like back to only openbox menu. Back to essence the openbox.

Jgmenu is unnecessary in my opinion.

Think that's already an option. Just select the Openbox Session rather than the BunsenLabs Session as default session at the login screen.


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#32 2021-01-15 18:16:05

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Re: Additions to Beryllium

DeepDayze wrote:

Think that's already an option. Just select the Openbox Session rather than the BunsenLabs Session as default session at the login screen.


OK.. is possible enter openbox session default ?

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#33 2021-01-15 18:58:42

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exe wrote:

OK.. is possible enter openbox session default ?

Of cource! From "From Introduction to the Bunsenlabs Lithium Desktop"

Window Manager Sessions

Bunsenlabs provides several options when logging in: A Bunsenlabs session, an Openbox session and a Default session (bunsenlabs-session).
These are set from the Settings icon at the top right of the login screen, and will persist for the next login.

So, if you choose openbos session, it will be default next time.


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#34 2021-01-15 19:22:46

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Re: Additions to Beryllium

yep, but the menu openbox session is basic, nop menu the helium, for example

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#35 2021-01-15 19:46:02

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exe wrote:

yep, but the menu openbox session is basic, nop menu the helium, for example

But, you wanted a basic menu...
When I used Helium, I prefered to add the Debian Menu to the openbox menu. Better with a dynamic menu than openbox basic static menu.

If you need help to configer openbox menu, ask in Basic Help & Support if you can not be content with jgmenu.


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#36 2021-01-15 21:41:16

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Re: Additions to Beryllium

I personally prefer a static menu, but the type-to-search feature of jgmenu is wonderful!


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#37 2021-01-16 03:04:29

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Re: Additions to Beryllium

damo wrote:

I personally prefer a static menu, but the type-to-search feature of jgmenu is wonderful!

Yes I like it too  as it brings a bit of the feel of the big boy DE's to Openbox. Even Tint2's got a little bit of eyecandy yet still keeping things pretty light and fast compared to the likes of KDE and GNOME.


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#38 2021-01-16 07:57:49

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Re: Additions to Beryllium

DeepDayze wrote:
exe wrote:

Honestly, i like back to only openbox menu. Back to essence the openbox.

Jgmenu is unnecessary in my opinion.

Think that's already an option. Just select the Openbox Session rather than the BunsenLabs Session as default session at the login screen.

A raw openbox session, without the BL customisations it used to have?
That's like saying "If you don't like hamburgers you can always eat grass".

I have been telling the BL team they shouldn't fall into the distro (or DE) trap. Because crunchbang was different in that respect. They did it anyhow, and I made my peace with it.
But my sympathies lean towards avoiding the unnecessary.
Not saying jgmenu isn't a great app though!
But too many people are all too unaware of what openbox can do all by itself.

Oh, and of course somebody from the devs team will be along shortly, saying jgmenu is future-proof because wayland etc. But that doesn't justify turning a lean openbox setup into a ... not-so-lean "custom desktop environment and session management" sort of thing.


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#39 2021-01-16 10:47:53

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ohnonot wrote:

A raw openbox session, without the BL customisations it used to have?
That's like saying "If you don't like hamburgers you can always eat grass".

Yes, that's true, some BL customation for the openbox session, would be nice.


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#40 2021-01-16 12:37:39

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rbh wrote:
ohnonot wrote:

A raw openbox session, without the BL customisations it used to have?
That's like saying "If you don't like hamburgers you can always eat grass".

Yes, that's true, some BL customation for the openbox session, would be nice.


yes pls.... jgmenu is a menu dinamic.. OK, but is some confuse and with so many, too many apps

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#41 2021-01-16 14:35:57

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Re: Additions to Beryllium

It is nice to see package suggestions for the next release. However, I suggest that we use a framework based on which the default packages can be selected. If I were to suggest such a framework, I would think as below.

Identity

BL stands for fast, lightweight, responsive, no-nonsense, terminal themed and keyboard driven distro. Most distros share these features, but don't share the terminal themed desktop UI. Therefore, most functional terminal based apps (ranger, tmux, cmus, tty-clock, mpv, etc...) and theming packages (conky and cmatrix) must be available out of the box.

Expectations

There are apps that linux users (not just BL users) are expecting from every distro, irrespective of _whether or not_ they are the lightest and fastest among their kind. Such packages like firefox and libreoffice, must be available out of the box.

Debian repos

When packages are no longer available in Debian, either it must be maintained in the BL repo or an alternative must be chosen. If the developers decide for an alternative, then a gtk based package must have preference over qt or other GUI framework based packages. Not that they will be inferior, but on some post in the forum I once read that GTK based package are a part of BL ecosystem, and I agree.

Exceptions

Then there are some packages that are just too good to ignore. They may not go along with BL, Linux or free software philosophies, but they outperform others that go with the said philosophies. Eg, Tixati. If are ever to include a torrent downloader out of the box, my vote will go for Tixati.

The others

These include choosing between many of the video players, text editors, music players, etc..., which the community can vote or we can go along how it has been done in BL historically.

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These are just mere suggestions. I hope I don't sound like someone trying to influence BL to become what I want it to be. smile


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#42 2021-01-16 15:40:42

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Re: Additions to Beryllium

linux_user wrote:

...

Identity

BL stands for fast, lightweight, responsive, no-nonsense, terminal themed and keyboard driven distro.
.....

I beg to differ.

bunsenlabs wrote:

BunsenLabs Linux Lithium is a distribution offering a light-weight and easily customizable Openbox desktop.

It has never been a "terminal themed and keyboard driven distro", although that has always been possible if the user chooses to use the capability.


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#43 2021-01-16 15:48:39

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You're right Damo. It has never been officially offered as a 'terminal themed and keyboard driven distro'. But that's how I perceive the BL (crunchbang) interface to be. I am taking the liberty to say that most distro hoppers would perceive it the same way. To put it another way, if someone used to keybaords for tasks and likes a sleek interface, he/she would love BL.


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#44 2021-01-16 20:20:44

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linux_user wrote:

.... To put it another way, if someone used to keybaords for tasks and likes a sleek interface, he/she would love BL.

BL FTW smile


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#45 2021-01-17 06:06:28

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Re: Additions to Beryllium

exe wrote:

Honestly, i like back to only openbox menu. Back to essence the openbox.
Jgmenu is unnecessary in my opinion.

The openbox menu is still available in BL - you aren't obliged to use jgmenu, nor to go to an absolute vanilla OpenBox session.

Press Ctrl+Alt+Q to see the BL openbox menu - it's just a placeholder out of the box, but:
Edit ~/.config/openbox/bl-menu.xml to set it up the way you want.
Edit ~/.config/openbox/bl-rc.xml to change the keybind to display the OB menu. (But try to avoid it clashing with any keybinds in ~/.xbindkeysrc)

The rest of BL will continue to work as before.

OTOH if you choose the "openbox session" option at login, you can start from scratch by copying /etc/xdg/openbox/menu.xml rc.xml and autostart into ~/.config/openbox/ and editing them to taste. The BL session will be quite unaffected and you can go back to it at any time.

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#46 2021-01-17 07:09:12

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ohnonot wrote:

I have been telling the BL team they shouldn't fall into the distro (or DE) trap. Because crunchbang was different in that respect.

But my sympathies lean towards avoiding the unnecessary.

...wayland etc... doesn't justify turning a lean openbox setup into a ... not-so-lean "custom desktop environment and session management" sort of thing.

OK Ohnonot, understood, some people like a plain CLI environment, some like GNOME or KDE, and some like something in between. Exactly where that ideal spot lies will be different for each person. I know @hhh for example has been spending time with Cinnamon and Plasma, and I understand that you use Arch Linux. I use BunsenLabs as my daily work machine.

Your input and suggestions are always valued and read with care and respect, but in this case I wonder exactly why you seem to strongly want BL to be this way or that way if you don't actually use it? Are you saying that more users would like BL if it went back to being a plain OpenBox setup?

I'm not going to speak for the other devs here, but my preference is that BL be as useful as possible, without all the big DE encumbrances. I don't think it's fair to say BL isn't lean - it's just a compromise, but systems that were appropriate for machines with 500MB of RAM and a Pentium 4 may no longer be the best compromise in 2020.

PS as to package bloat, I might mention that every item on our install lists is checked, along with its dependencies. There is a certain amount of stuff unavoidably pulled in but we do our best to keep it to a minimum. Probably basing BL on Arch, for example, would make it easier to cut down, but using Debian Stable has its own advantages.

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#47 2021-01-17 08:11:03

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johnraff, I think you should've quoted all of my previous post.
You wonder..., but the answer seems to be in the bits you cut out:

I made my peace with it.
But my sympathies lean towards avoiding the unnecessary.
Not saying jgmenu isn't a great app though!
But too many people are all too unaware of what openbox can do all by itself.

Have you ever thought why I'm not using Bunsenlabs anymore?

I will keep saying these things every now and then, don't try to politely silence me.
Esp. when somebody gets dissed for asking the right questions, like exe in the last few posts (not by you though).
Doesn't mean I "strongly want BL to be" anything.
Seriously, do Your Thing! It's appreciated. But don't expect everybody here to subscribe to the fanclub attitude. Criticism is important, too.

BTW, "getting more users" is not an argument for anything in my Linux world.

johnraff wrote:

The rest of BL will continue to work as before.

That's good to hear.


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#48 2021-01-17 08:24:31

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ohnonot wrote:

I will keep saying these things every now and then, don't try to politely silence me.

johnraff wrote:

Your input and suggestions are always valued and read with care and respect


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#49 2021-01-20 06:50:29

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^ You know, you're right. "politely silence" was an exaggeration. Sorry about that.


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#50 2021-01-20 07:05:04

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^No worries! As I said, your input is appreciated.


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