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unklar · 2020-10-31 09:47:17

hhh wrote:

Well, to be fair, when your total RAM at idle is under 400MiB, a 130MiB difference appears significant.

^it can be seen that the ~130MB are NOT caused by systemd ?

DeepDayze · 2020-10-31 14:31:45

twoion wrote:

Ideally, systems should not use as little RAM as possible but use as much RAM as possible efficiently without sacrificing data integrity (it's volatile after all)...it's really fast after all. My next system will have 32G (if laptop) or more (if desktop) RAM and I intend to use every bit of it. The small RAMs of the past were a function of a set of limitations only. I would never recommend a new PC to have less than 16G of RAM today...else it's obsolete as soon as it's left the factory floor. Prices do not justify low RAM anymore, so get more.

Well said and my latest build has 64GB RAM and even *cough* Windows *cough* is happy with that much to play with

manyroads · 2020-10-31 19:39:33

FWIW... I have been running dwm for a day or so on MX (non-systemd Debian). Without Dropbox running a one browser window (FF) the system operates between 0.9 and 1.6GB of RAM (I got about the same running on Devuan (ceres) test partition; both run about 1 GB less than an identically configured manjaro (arch-systemd system). I have not run on a Debian based systemd system...

BTW... I have found a pretty easy way to save some RAM. I feel dumb for not having thought of this before--> use light wallpaper backgrounds. If you keep them below 1MB you can still get nice images and save some MB.

ohnonot · 2020-11-01 09:34:01

The RAM/resources comparison comes up every now and then, and most people completely ignore the fact that lightweight WMs tend to have more additional utilities running besides it, to provide hotkeys, a menu, a panel etc.
Of course that makes a useful comparison much harder...
So I fire up Firefox to post about it online: my WM use 10MB less than yours! - meanwhile FF eats up a whole Gigabyte just like that.

manyroads · 2020-11-01 15:10:06

Exactly true... which is why I attempt only to provide equivalent comparison (hardware platform identical- running separate partitions on the same machine at the same time) identical apps running, identical functions. But no matter what you do there is no way to remove all variables.

What we can say is that active browser 'tabs' eat tons of memory. The skinniest browser running 5 opens windows for the same sites against one of the big boys (FF,Chrome...) with identical tabs & windows will be roughly the same size (the initial browser footprint size impact on the total, percentage of the whole, shrinks with the increase in active tabs). Other potentially extravagant memory consumers include flatpaks, snaps, appimages, wallpapers, themes, fonts, icons.... ad nauseum

Nonetheless people want and ask for comparisons. Sadly, there's only so much that can be provided. In the end, people have to ask themselves if the price (cost) is worth the benefit(s). The answer will vary from person to person.

ratcheer · 2020-11-02 14:18:11

I installed FreeBSD 12.2 on my old PC, yesterday. The installation was quick and easy.

I will probably reinstall it today, in order to use ZFS. I don't know why I didn't choose it the first time.

hhh · 2020-11-05 03:44:33

Pic or it didn't happen.

Colonel Panic · 2020-11-05 13:26:39

I've not been impressed with the latest versions of Ubuntu that I've tried (the 20.x series), but all the same I've recently installed the latest version of Bodhi, 5.1, and if you like "eye candy" I can recommend it. It has a very slick desktop based on Enlightenment with a green default theme, and a terminal called Terminology with a flashing cursor, so it all looks very good.

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hhh · 2020-11-06 03:32:29

^

https://www.bodhilinux.com/2020/03/25/b … -released/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fmLfGTQplE

hhh · 2020-11-06 03:35:32

^ I'm a huge fan of green, the default theming is beautiful.

Their Lithium video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZKGVfkOFYY

ohnonot · 2020-11-06 22:11:34

+1 for a terminal with a flashing cursor!

unklar · 2020-11-11 19:50:55

2020-11-11

plasma5.19(debian-Repos) plasma5.20(Preining-Repos)

5.19

inxi -r
Repos:     No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list
           1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/extra.list
           1: deb http://packages.siduction.org/extra unstable main
           2: deb-src http://packages.siduction.org/extra unstable main
           No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/palemoon.list
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/siduction.list
           1: deb http://packages.siduction.org/fixes unstable main contrib non-free
           2: deb-src http://packages.siduction.org/fixes unstable main contrib non-free

5.20

inxi -r
Repos:     No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list
           No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/dbgsym.list
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list
           1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/extra.list
           1: deb http://packages.siduction.org/extra unstable main
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/fixes.list
           1: deb https://packages.siduction.org/fixes unstable main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/obs-npreining-kde.list
           1: deb https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/npreining:/debian-kde:/other-deps/Debian_Unstable/ ./
           2: deb https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/npreining:/debian-kde:/frameworks/Debian_Unstable/ ./
           3: deb https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/npreining:/debian-kde:/apps2008/Debian_Unstable/ ./
           4: deb https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/npreining:/debian-kde:/plasma520/Debian_Unstable/ ./
           5: deb https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/npreining:/debian-kde:/other/Debian_Unstable/ ./

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hhh · 2020-11-11 22:14:33

ohnonot wrote:

+1 for a terminal with a flashing cursor!

Lol, I like non-flashing. Different strokes for different folks, literally. Well, really close. Different cursors for different persons.

johnraff · 2020-11-13 03:48:45

Ran into this today - a fork of KDE3, still currently maintained, the Trinity desktop:
https://www.trinitydesktop.org/index.php

Did a quick install on a Debian netinstall VM, and it worked, used ~250MB RAM out of its allocated 1GB, but definitely a bit retro. (And don't try to use Konqueror to browse the web.) Might be interesting to check out...

deleted0 · 2020-11-13 04:30:50

^ Q4OS does a nice Trinity Desktop Environment on Debian. Very light and fast, 250 MB.
https://q4os.org/downloads1.html

I don't care for the TDE menu, too many clicks to get to what one is looking for. One can put frequently used programs in Favorites, which helps. Minimal offerings in the Software Center. Use Apt or install Synaptic.

8bit

ohnonot · 2020-11-13 18:57:28

^ +1 for Q4OS, it was the one that worked best ootb on my Pinebook.
Definitely one of those "Windows-like, great for newbies" distros, and: Don't. Mess. With. The. Defaults.

hhh wrote:

ohnonot wrote:
+1 for a terminal with a flashing cursor!
Lol, I like non-flashing. Different strokes for different folks, literally. Well, really close. Different cursors for different persons.

woosh!
(not that it was a very good joke to start with)

deleted0 · 2020-11-16 19:51:18

Pop OS! https://pop.system76.com/

I was looking at System 76's rather expensive hardware thinking, yeah, when I win the lotto; but got intrigued by Pop OS!
With the garish name and Gnome on *buntu, it had two strikes against it from the start, IMO. But I was surprised by what I found.

Gnome's ugly "wharf", dock, or whatever it called is not on the desktop by default. Using the SuperKey activates it..

It's easy to drag and drop the programs one wants into the dock, and the SuperKey followed by the first letter of the program brings us to this screen:

I entered SuperKey then 'f'. Both Firefox and Files along with other choices are offered. Now the user has the options: hit Enter for the first highlighted porgram (Firefox), CRSR Keys to move the highlight to the desired program, or continue to type in the upper text entry box. The highlight will move to the matching text entry, where the user can hit Enter to run the program.

I can't say if this is default Gnome or a Pop! OS enhancement of Gnome. I found the keyboard shortcuts easy to adopt and quick to use.

The installer did not ask for a host name. Something very few installers get wrong in this way. There's a GUI option to set the host name, but it's reported to be problematic. Rely instead on the set hostname command and editing the /etc/hosts file.

Files is the GUI file manager and it has sensible defaults, IMO. Thumb sticks are automatically mounted and drag-n-drop copies files instead of moving them. Would like to see some root actions added to the right-click menu.

Now for the best part, the minimal tiling window manager.

A little slow to create and move windows but nothing prohibitive. Dedicated tiling managers are just a little more refined.

All in all an enjoyable experience; fast and buttery smooth.

8bit

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hhh · 2020-11-16 20:52:07

^ I'm loving Cinnamon on Buster. It's been rock-solid and, as you said, silky smooth. Glad to see another nice GNOME spin. I love KDE and Qt and all, but GTK 4-evah.

DeepDayze · 2020-11-16 21:15:16

hhh wrote:

^ I'm loving Cinnamon on Buster. It's been rock-solid and, as you said, silky smooth. Glad to see another nice GNOME spin. I love KDE and Qt and all, but GTK 4-evah.

Lol thus the everlasting KDE vs Gnome wars for entertainment :-)

hhh · 2020-11-16 23:35:25

I was intrigued by @johnraff's quick post on Mabox, so I installed it. It's really nice, everything works OOTB, including my outdated Broadcom WiFi driver, and the theming is great...

https://i.postimg.cc/nL9kZ9RQ/Mabox-202 … 569403.png

I'm a fan, this is a really easy live-build of Manjaro/Arch with a lot of attention to detail.

Uh, not a light Openbox distro (1G RAM using Openbox, really?), but certainly user-friendly and functional. An easy way to install and use Arch.

https://i.postimg.cc/wMCTsP5V/Mabox-202 … 575589.png

https://i.postimg.cc/SQCFGDhH/Mabox-202 … 579843.png

https://maboxlinux.org/

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