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#1 2020-10-18 19:39:52

emek
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Upgrading laptop SSD - RAM

Hi!

I want to make some upgrades on my laptop. I want to increase the RAM memory and change the current HDD by an SSD. I have never work with hardware configuration so I'm really lost about what devices are compatibles. 

According to the manual  , my system support 256GB M.2. A couple of question:

Its not possible to use a bigger capacity? The part about "only configured with system memory up to 8gb", it refers to RAM?

I'm not sure about anything here, so if you could help me out here, I'll be grateful.

By the way, my system is a HP laptop (HP 15-K049LA)

Thanks

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#2 2020-10-18 20:42:55

eight.bit.al
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Re: Upgrading laptop SSD - RAM

^ I don't see the m.2 option on the web page for that model.

https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c04319984

Could it be your manual is generic for that line of laptops?

Here's a link to opening it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6od-sLj8jGs

If it doesn't have the m.2 option:

get a ssd and put the OS on it and get one of these:

http://www.2ndhddcaddy.com/hp-envy-15-k … caddy.html

to mount your existing hard drive for storage, if you don't use the DVD.

run in a terminal:

inxi -Fxxxrza

and post the results in code tags

8bit

P.S. I would open it and look before I ordered anything. Only 8 screws. You need to know how many sticks of memory are installed too. Does the BIOS show how much memory is in each slot?

Last edited by eight.bit.al (2020-10-18 21:13:27)


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#3 2020-10-18 20:49:39

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Re: Upgrading laptop SSD - RAM


If art is how we decorate space, music is how we decorate time.

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#4 2020-10-18 21:22:10

rbh
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Re: Upgrading laptop SSD - RAM

emek wrote:

I want to make some upgrades on my laptop.

I do not so often enter the "Off Topic" area. Seams not the best place to ask for support...

I want to increase the RAM memory

Your manual says: "Supports up to 16 GB" (Two 8 GB SODIMM DDR3L-1600 MHz http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c04409752 page 12.

and change the current HDD by an SSD. [...] According to the manual, my system support 256GB M.2. A couple of question: Its not possible to use a bigger capacity?

M.2 Sata SSD, is quite fast and expensive. You can get 256 GB M.2 for around $300 Do you realey need any bigger? It is big enoug to hold your os.

As you can see on the picture in the link above, an M.2, is not an 2.5 inch SSD disk!
Your pc, should support 4 TB 2.5 inch SSD disk, if you can find one. 2 TB SSD, costs about $230.

The part about "only configured with system memory up to 8gb", it refers to RAM?

"Shipped with configuration". But, you can configure otherwise.

I'm not sure about anything here,

Maybe, you should do some reading? "Upgrading and Repairing PCs", is a good paperback, soon in its 22nd edition. Also available as pdf.


// Regards rbh

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#5 2020-10-18 21:27:02

emek
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Re: Upgrading laptop SSD - RAM

eight.bit.al wrote:

^ I don't see the m.2 option on the web page for that model.                                                                                     
https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c04319984                                                                                                           
Could it be your manual is generic for that line of laptops?

Indeed. I download the manual in the same page you linked and it's generic for a bunch of models with different CPU and other stuff. There is where I got the image I linked it.

eight.bit.al wrote:

I would open it and look before I ordered anything. Only 8 screws. You need to know how many sticks of memory are installed too. Does the BIOS show how much memory is in each slot?

I don't see any info in the bios. I'll open the laptop and come back.

Thanks for your help!

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#6 2020-10-18 21:37:52

emek
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Re: Upgrading laptop SSD - RAM

rbh wrote:

I do not so often enter the "Off Topic" area. Seams not the best place to ask for support...

I didn't know where else put this topics. Also, this is the system of a friend of mine which uses Debian and not bunsenlabs and I didn't feel right to put this on other place.

rbh wrote:

Your manual says: "Supports up to 16 GB" (Two 8 GB SODIMM DDR3L-1600 MHz

Great! I'll check which one currently has the system and then buy.

rbh wrote:

   You can get 256 GB M.2 for around $300. Do you realey need any bigger? It is big enough to hold your os.
As you can see on the picture in the link above, an M.2, is not an 2.5 inch SSD disk!
Your pc, should support 4 TB 2.5 inch SSD disk, if you can find one. 2 TB SSD, costs about $230.

I'll check for that kind of SSD disk then. I was totaly lost about this.

rbh wrote:

"Shipped with configuration". But, you can configure otherwise.

Excellent!

rbh wrote:

Maybe, you should do some reading? "Upgrading and Repairing PCs", is a good paperback, soon in its 22nd edition. Also available as pdf.

I did the reading but I read stuff about how good are the SSD disk and not much about compatibility. That's why come here.

Thanks for your help!

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#7 2020-10-18 21:49:09

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Re: Upgrading laptop SSD - RAM

emek wrote:

I don't see any info in the bios.

You can decode bios in an terminal:

$ sudo dmidecode | more

gives a lot of more information than just entering the bios...


// Regards rbh

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#8 2020-10-18 21:57:15

eight.bit.al
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Re: Upgrading laptop SSD - RAM

emek wrote:

I don't see any info in the bios. I'll open the laptop and come back.

Thanks for your help!

Take pics.  If you have one 8GB stick, you'll want to try to match it exactly, for a total if 16.
If you have anything else, you'll probably want to leave them(it) on a shelf and get two 8GB sticks.

8bit


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#9 2020-10-18 22:02:34

rbh
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Re: Upgrading laptop SSD - RAM

emek wrote:

I didn't know where else put this topics.

"Basic Help & Support" apears more fitting.

Also, this is the system of a friend of mine which uses Debian and not bunsenlabs and I didn't feel right to put this on other place.

But, the answer on a basic hardware question, is the same regardless what os you are using...

rbh wrote:

"Upgrading and Repairing PCs"

I gave you wrong link. Link to a full book, but from 1998

I did the reading but I read stuff about how good are the SSD disk and not much about compatibility.

You were mixing two formfactors: M.2 and standard 2½".

Last edited by rbh (2020-10-18 22:03:15)


// Regards rbh

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#10 2020-10-18 22:04:43

emek
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Re: Upgrading laptop SSD - RAM

rbh wrote:

You can decode bios in an terminal

sudo dmidecode | more

Great! Here's the output


 dmidecode 3.2
Getting SMBIOS data from sysfs.
SMBIOS 2.8 present.
46 structures occupying 2895 bytes.
Table at 0x9CEAC000.

Handle 0x0000, DMI type 221, 12 bytes
OEM-specific Type
	Header and Data:
		DD 0C 00 00 01 01 00 01 07 00 00 00
	Strings:
		Reference Code - ACPI

Handle 0x0001, DMI type 221, 12 bytes
OEM-specific Type
	Header and Data:
		DD 0C 01 00 01 01 00 01 07 00 00 00
	Strings:
		Reference Code - Intel Rapid Start

Handle 0x0002, DMI type 16, 23 bytes
Physical Memory Array
	Location: System Board Or Motherboard
	Use: System Memory
	Error Correction Type: None
	Maximum Capacity: 16 GB
	Error Information Handle: 0x0009
	Number Of Devices: 2

Handle 0x0003, DMI type 17, 40 bytes
Memory Device
	Array Handle: 0x0002
	Error Information Handle: 0x0005
	Total Width: 64 bits
	Data Width: 64 bits
	Size: 8192 MB
	Form Factor: SODIMM
	Set: None
	Locator: Bottom-Slot 1(left)
	Bank Locator: BANK0
	Type: DDR3
	Type Detail: Synchronous Unbuffered (Unregistered)
	Speed: 1600 MT/s
	Manufacturer: Kingston
	Serial Number: C409BD1C
	Asset Tag: Unknown
	Part Number: HP691160-H65-MCN  
	Rank: 2
	Configured Memory Speed: 1600 MT/s
	Minimum Voltage: Unknown
	Maximum Voltage: Unknown
	Configured Voltage: Unknown

Handle 0x0005, DMI type 18, 23 bytes
32-bit Memory Error Information
	Type: OK
	Granularity: Unknown
	Operation: Unknown
	Vendor Syndrome: Unknown
	Memory Array Address: Unknown
	Device Address: Unknown
	Resolution: Unknown

Handle 0x0006, DMI type 20, 35 bytes
Memory Device Mapped Address
	Starting Address: 0x00000000000
	Ending Address: 0x001FFFFFFFF
	Range Size: 8 GB
	Physical Device Handle: 0x0003
	Memory Array Mapped Address Handle: 0x000A
	Partition Row Position: 1
	Interleave Position: 1
	Interleaved Data Depth: 1

Handle 0x0007, DMI type 17, 40 bytes
Memory Device
	Array Handle: 0x0002
	Error Information Handle: Not Provided
	Total Width: Unknown
	Data Width: Unknown
	Size: No Module Installed
	Form Factor: DIMM
	Set: None
	Locator: Bottom-Slot 2(right)
	Bank Locator: BANK1
	Type: Unknown
	Type Detail: Unknown Unbuffered (Unregistered)
	Speed: Unknown
	Manufacturer: Empty
	Serial Number: Empty
	Asset Tag: Unknown
	Part Number: Empty
	Rank: Unknown
	Configured Memory Speed: Unknown
	Minimum Voltage: Unknown
	Maximum Voltage: Unknown
	Configured Voltage: Unknown

Handle 0x0009, DMI type 18, 23 bytes
32-bit Memory Error Information
	Type: OK
	Granularity: Unknown
	Operation: Unknown
	Vendor Syndrome: Unknown
	Memory Array Address: Unknown
	Device Address: Unknown
	Resolution: Unknown

Handle 0x000A, DMI type 19, 31 bytes
Memory Array Mapped Address
	Starting Address: 0x00000000000
	Ending Address: 0x001FFFFFFFF
	Range Size: 8 GB
	Physical Array Handle: 0x0002
	Partition Width: 2

Handle 0x000C, DMI type 0, 24 bytes
BIOS Information
	Vendor: Insyde
	Version: F.11
	Release Date: 08/07/2014
	Address: 0xE0000
	Runtime Size: 128 kB
	ROM Size: 4096 kB
	Characteristics:
		PCI is supported
		BIOS is upgradeable
		BIOS shadowing is allowed
		Boot from CD is supported
		Selectable boot is supported
		EDD is supported
		Japanese floppy for NEC 9800 1.2 MB is supported (int 13h)
		Japanese floppy for Toshiba 1.2 MB is supported (int 13h)
		5.25"/360 kB floppy services are supported (int 13h)
		5.25"/1.2 MB floppy services are supported (int 13h)
		3.5"/720 kB floppy services are supported (int 13h)
		3.5"/2.88 MB floppy services are supported (int 13h)
		8042 keyboard services are supported (int 9h)
		CGA/mono video services are supported (int 10h)
		ACPI is supported
		USB legacy is supported
		BIOS boot specification is supported
		Targeted content distribution is supported
		UEFI is supported
	BIOS Revision: 15.17
	Firmware Revision: 77.37

Handle 0x000D, DMI type 1, 27 bytes
System Information
	Manufacturer: Hewlett-Packard
	Product Name: HP ENVY 15 Notebook PC 
	Version: 0976100000405F10000610180
	Serial Number: 5CD5183DVR
	UUID: 35444335-3831-4433-5652-3ca82aa1c229
	Wake-up Type: Power Switch
	SKU Number: F4J08LA#ABM
	Family: 103C_5335KV G=N L=CON B=HP S=ENV X=Null 

Handle 0x000E, DMI type 2, 16 bytes
Base Board Information
	Manufacturer: Hewlett-Packard
	Product Name: 228D
	Version: 77.25
	Serial Number: PEKBL028J8N0GS
	Asset Tag: Type2 - Board Asset Tag
	Features:
		Board is a hosting board
		Board is replaceable
	Location In Chassis: Type2 - Board Chassis Location
	Chassis Handle: 0x000F
	Type: Motherboard
	Contained Object Handles: 0

Handle 0x000F, DMI type 3, 23 bytes
Chassis Information
	Manufacturer: Hewlett-Packard
	Type: Notebook
	Lock: Not Present
	Version: Chassis Version
	Serial Number: Chassis Serial Number
	Asset Tag: Not Specified
	Boot-up State: Safe
	Power Supply State: Safe
	Thermal State: Safe
	Security Status: None
	OEM Information: 0x0000095F
	Height: Unspecified
	Number Of Power Cords: 1
	Contained Elements: 0
	SKU Number: Not Specified

Handle 0x0010, DMI type 8, 9 bytes
Port Connector Information
	Internal Reference Designator: CN20
	Internal Connector Type: None
	External Reference Designator: USB
	External Connector Type: Access Bus (USB)
	Port Type: USB

Handle 0x0011, DMI type 8, 9 bytes
Port Connector Information
	Internal Reference Designator: CN3
	Internal Connector Type: None
	External Reference Designator: USB
	External Connector Type: Access Bus (USB)
	Port Type: USB

Handle 0x0012, DMI type 8, 9 bytes
Port Connector Information
	Internal Reference Designator: CN17
	Internal Connector Type: None
	External Reference Designator: USB
	External Connector Type: Access Bus (USB)
	Port Type: USB

Handle 0x0013, DMI type 8, 9 bytes
Port Connector Information
	Internal Reference Designator: CN2
	Internal Connector Type: None
	External Reference Designator: Microphone In
	External Connector Type: Mini Jack (headphones)
	Port Type: Audio Port

Handle 0x0014, DMI type 8, 9 bytes
Port Connector Information
	Internal Reference Designator: CN2
	Internal Connector Type: None
	External Reference Designator: Speaker Out
	External Connector Type: Mini Jack (headphones)
	Port Type: Audio Port

Handle 0x0015, DMI type 9, 17 bytes
System Slot Information
	Designation: PCI Express Slot 3
	Type: x1 PCI Express x1
	Current Usage: Available
	Length: Other
	ID: 4
	Characteristics:
		PME signal is supported
		Hot-plug devices are supported
	Bus Address: 0000:00:1c.2

Handle 0x0016, DMI type 11, 5 bytes
OEM Strings
	String 1: $HP$
	String 2: LOC#ABM
	String 3: ABS 70/71 78 79 7A 7B
	String 4: CNB1 0976100000405F10000610180
	String 5: String6 for Original Equipment Manufacturer
	String 6: String7 for Original Equipment Manufacturer
	String 7: String8 for Original Equipment Manufacturer
	String 8: String9 for Original Equipment Manufacturer
	String 9: String10 for Original Equipment Manufacturer
	String 10: String11 for Original Equipment Manufacturer

Handle 0x0017, DMI type 12, 5 bytes
System Configuration Options
	Option 1: String1 for Type12 Equipment Manufacturer
	Option 2: String2 for Type12 Equipment Manufacturer
	Option 3: String3 for Type12 Equipment Manufacturer
	Option 4: String4 for Type12 Equipment Manufacturer
	Option 5: String5 for Type12 Equipment Manufacturer
	Option 6: String6 for Type12 Equipment Manufacturer
	Option 7: String7 for Type12 Equipment Manufacturer
	Option 8: String8 for Type12 Equipment Manufacturer

Handle 0x0018, DMI type 13, 22 bytes
BIOS Language Information
	Language Description Format: Long
	Installable Languages: 5
		en|US|iso8859-1
		fr|CA|iso8859-1
		es|ES|iso8859-1
		zh|TW|unicode
		zh|CN|unicode
	Currently Installed Language: es|ES|iso8859-1

Handle 0x0019, DMI type 15, 29 bytes
System Event Log
	Area Length: 0 bytes
	Header Start Offset: 0x0000
	Header Length: 32 bytes
	Data Start Offset: 0x0020
	Access Method: General-purpose non-volatile data functions
	Access Address: 0x0000
	Status: Valid, Not Full
	Change Token: 0x12345678
	Header Format: OEM-specific
	Supported Log Type Descriptors: 3
	Descriptor 1: POST memory resize
	Data Format 1: None
	Descriptor 2: POST error
	Data Format 2: POST results bitmap
	Descriptor 3: Log area reset/cleared
	Data Format 3: None

Handle 0x001A, DMI type 21, 7 bytes
Built-in Pointing Device
	Type: Touch Pad
	Interface: PS/2
	Buttons: 4

Handle 0x001B, DMI type 22, 26 bytes
Portable Battery
	Location:        
	Manufacturer:                    
	Manufacture Date:          
	Serial Number:                    
	Name: Not Installed      
	Chemistry: <OUT OF SPEC>
	Design Capacity: Unknown
	Design Voltage: Unknown
	SBDS Version:               
	Maximum Error: 0%
	OEM-specific Information: 0x00000000

Handle 0x001C, DMI type 24, 5 bytes
Hardware Security
	Power-On Password Status: Disabled
	Keyboard Password Status: Disabled
	Administrator Password Status: Disabled
	Front Panel Reset Status: Disabled

Handle 0x001D, DMI type 26, 22 bytes
Voltage Probe
	Description: Voltage Probe Description.
	Location: Unknown
	Status: Unknown
	Maximum Value: Unknown
	Minimum Value: Unknown
	Resolution: Unknown
	Tolerance: Unknown
	Accuracy: Unknown
	OEM-specific Information: 0x00000000
	Nominal Value: Unknown

Handle 0x001E, DMI type 27, 15 bytes
Cooling Device
	Type: Fan
	Status: OK
	OEM-specific Information: 0x00000000
	Nominal Speed: 2000 rpm
	Description: Cooling Device Description.

Handle 0x001F, DMI type 32, 20 bytes
System Boot Information
	Status: No errors detected

Handle 0x0020, DMI type 39, 22 bytes
System Power Supply
	Location: OEM_Define0
	Name: OEM_Define1
	Manufacturer: OEM_Define2
	Serial Number: OEM_Define3
	Asset Tag: OEM_Define4
	Model Part Number: OEM_Define5
	Revision: OEM_Define6
	Max Power Capacity: 75 W
	Status: Present, OK
	Type: Regulator
	Input Voltage Range Switching: Auto-switch
	Plugged: No
	Hot Replaceable: No
	Cooling Device Handle: 0x001E

Handle 0x0021, DMI type 40, 18 bytes
Additional Information 1
	Referenced Handle: 0x0015
	Referenced Offset: 0x05
	String: PCIExpressx16
	Value: 0xaa
Additional Information 2
	Referenced Handle: 0x000c
	Referenced Offset: 0x05
	String: Compiler Version: VC 9.0
	Value: 0x05dc

Handle 0x0022, DMI type 41, 11 bytes
Onboard Device
	Reference Designation: Intel(R) Graphics GT2
	Type: Video
	Status: Enabled
	Type Instance: 1
	Bus Address: 0000:00:02.0

Handle 0x0023, DMI type 136, 6 bytes
OEM-specific Type
	Header and Data:
		88 06 23 00 FF FF

Handle 0x0024, DMI type 128, 8 bytes
OEM-specific Type
	Header and Data:
		80 08 24 00 55 AA 55 AA
	Strings:
		Oem Test 1
		Oem Test 2

Handle 0x0025, DMI type 129, 8 bytes
OEM-specific Type
	Header and Data:
		81 08 25 00 01 01 02 01
	Strings:
		Intel_ASF
		Intel_ASF_001

Handle 0x0026, DMI type 130, 20 bytes
OEM-specific Type
	Header and Data:
		82 14 26 00 24 41 4D 54 01 01 01 01 01 A5 9F 02
		00 00 01 00

Handle 0x0027, DMI type 131, 64 bytes
OEM-specific Type
	Header and Data:
		83 40 27 00 11 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
		F8 00 43 9C 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 05 00 09 00
		CE 06 14 00 00 00 00 00 C8 00 FF FF 00 00 00 00
		00 FF 00 00 26 00 00 00 76 50 72 6F 00 00 00 00

Handle 0x0028, DMI type 41, 11 bytes
Onboard Device
	Reference Designation: Broadcom BCM43142 802.11bgn 1x1 WiFi Adapter + BT 4.0 combo adapter
	Type: Other
	Status: Enabled
	Type Instance: 1
	Bus Address: 0000:08:00.0

Handle 0x0029, DMI type 41, 11 bytes
Onboard Device
	Reference Designation: Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller
	Type: Ethernet
	Status: Enabled
	Type Instance: 1
	Bus Address: 0000:09:00.0

Handle 0x002A, DMI type 41, 11 bytes
Onboard Device
	Reference Designation: NVIDIA GeForce GT 840M
	Type: Video
	Status: Enabled
	Type Instance: 1
	Bus Address: 0000:0a:00.0

Handle 0x002B, DMI type 4, 42 bytes
Processor Information
	Socket Designation: U3E1
	Type: Central Processor
	Family: Core i5
	Manufacturer: Intel(R) Corporation
	ID: 51 06 04 00 FF FB EB BF
	Signature: Type 0, Family 6, Model 69, Stepping 1
	Flags:
		FPU (Floating-point unit on-chip)
		VME (Virtual mode extension)
		DE (Debugging extension)
		PSE (Page size extension)
		TSC (Time stamp counter)
		MSR (Model specific registers)
		PAE (Physical address extension)
		MCE (Machine check exception)
		CX8 (CMPXCHG8 instruction supported)
		APIC (On-chip APIC hardware supported)
		SEP (Fast system call)
		MTRR (Memory type range registers)
		PGE (Page global enable)
		MCA (Machine check architecture)
		CMOV (Conditional move instruction supported)
		PAT (Page attribute table)
		PSE-36 (36-bit page size extension)
		CLFSH (CLFLUSH instruction supported)
		DS (Debug store)
		ACPI (ACPI supported)
		MMX (MMX technology supported)
		FXSR (FXSAVE and FXSTOR instructions supported)
		SSE (Streaming SIMD extensions)
		SSE2 (Streaming SIMD extensions 2)
		SS (Self-snoop)
		HTT (Multi-threading)
		TM (Thermal monitor supported)
		PBE (Pending break enabled)
	Version: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4210U CPU @ 1.70GHz
	Voltage: 0.7 V
	External Clock: 100 MHz
	Max Speed: 2400 MHz
	Current Speed: 1600 MHz
	Status: Populated, Enabled
	Upgrade: Socket BGA1168
	L1 Cache Handle: 0x002D
	L2 Cache Handle: 0x002E
	L3 Cache Handle: 0x002F
	Serial Number: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
	Asset Tag: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
	Part Number: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
	Core Count: 2
	Core Enabled: 2
	Thread Count: 4
	Characteristics:
		64-bit capable
		Multi-Core
		Hardware Thread
		Execute Protection
		Enhanced Virtualization
		Power/Performance Control

Handle 0x002C, DMI type 7, 19 bytes
Cache Information
	Socket Designation: L1 Cache
	Configuration: Enabled, Not Socketed, Level 1
	Operational Mode: Write Back
	Location: Internal
	Installed Size: 32 kB
	Maximum Size: 32 kB
	Supported SRAM Types:
		Synchronous
	Installed SRAM Type: Synchronous
	Speed: Unknown
	Error Correction Type: Single-bit ECC
	System Type: Data
	Associativity: 8-way Set-associative

Handle 0x002D, DMI type 7, 19 bytes
Cache Information
	Socket Designation: L1 Cache
	Configuration: Enabled, Not Socketed, Level 1
	Operational Mode: Write Back
	Location: Internal
	Installed Size: 32 kB
	Maximum Size: 32 kB
	Supported SRAM Types:
		Synchronous
	Installed SRAM Type: Synchronous
	Speed: Unknown
	Error Correction Type: Single-bit ECC
	System Type: Instruction
	Associativity: 8-way Set-associative

Handle 0x002E, DMI type 7, 19 bytes
Cache Information
	Socket Designation: L2 Cache
	Configuration: Enabled, Not Socketed, Level 2
	Operational Mode: Write Back
	Location: Internal
	Installed Size: 256 kB
	Maximum Size: 256 kB
	Supported SRAM Types:
		Synchronous
	Installed SRAM Type: Synchronous
	Speed: Unknown
	Error Correction Type: Single-bit ECC
	System Type: Unified
	Associativity: 8-way Set-associative

Handle 0x002F, DMI type 7, 19 bytes
Cache Information
	Socket Designation: L3 Cache
	Configuration: Enabled, Not Socketed, Level 3
	Operational Mode: Write Back
	Location: Internal
	Installed Size: 3072 kB
	Maximum Size: 3072 kB
	Supported SRAM Types:
		Synchronous
	Installed SRAM Type: Synchronous
	Speed: Unknown
	Error Correction Type: Single-bit ECC
	System Type: Unified
	Associativity: 12-way Set-associative

Handle 0x0030, DMI type 127, 4 bytes
End Of Table

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#11 2020-10-18 22:14:25

eight.bit.al
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Posts: 659

Re: Upgrading laptop SSD - RAM

emek wrote:

Great! Here's the output

	Manufacturer: Kingston
	Serial Number: C409BD1C
	Asset Tag: Unknown
	Part Number: HP691160-H65-MCN  

Handle 0x0003, DMI type 17, 40 bytes
Memory Device
	Array Handle: 0x0002
	Error Information Handle: 0x0005
	Total Width: 64 bits
	Data Width: 64 bits
	Size: 8192 MB
	Form Factor: SODIMM
	Set: None
	Locator: Bottom-Slot 1(left)
	Bank Locator: BANK0
	Type: DDR3


Handle 0x0007, DMI type 17, 40 bytes
Memory Device
	Array Handle: 0x0002
	Error Information Handle: Not Provided
	Total Width: Unknown
	Data Width: Unknown
	Size: No Module Installed

Perfect, you have one 8GB stick. Match it brand and model.
https://www.memory4less.com/kingston-8g … 60-h65-mcn
Used on eBay would be cheaper. $30-$40
Hopefully the memory is interlaced and you'll get a speed bump!
(writes/reads half the input/output to each stick at the same time)

Now let us know if your MB has the m.2 option.

8bit

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#12 2020-10-18 23:41:21

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Re: Upgrading laptop SSD - RAM

eight.bit.al wrote:

Perfect, you have one 8GB stick. Match it brand and model.
https://www.memory4less.com/kingston-8g … 60-h65-mcn
Used on eBay would be cheaper. $30-$40
Hopefully the memory is interlaced and you'll get a speed bump!
(writes/reads half the input/output to each stick at the same time)

Now let us know if your MB has the m.2 option.

Excellent. So many thanks for your help! So I open the laptop, lucky HP include instructions to open the system. I take some photos, because I don't know how to know if the system support m.2

Here are the photos!

PS: The connector on the left of the HDD has a wire which overlap the disk, I removed to see the HDD. So that is not unused.

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#13 2020-10-19 15:13:34

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^ The hard drive is a 750GB 5400 RPM drive which is slow. A SSD would really speed up disk I/O if you go that way.
In the pic of the memory, looks like a m.2 header on the left side. A better pic would help. especially if one could see where the mounting screw for the m.2 unit is.

https://www.vortez.net/articles_file/36 … 7%20m2.jpg

m.2 - fastest - priciest - minor possibility of boot issues
ssd - plenty fast - budget friendly - larger capacity/$

m.2 + ssd + 750GB hard drive in DVD adapter - god mode

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#14 2020-10-20 00:00:11

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eight.bit.al wrote:

^ The hard drive is a 750GB 5400 RPM drive which is slow. A SSD would really speed up disk I/O if you go that way. 8bit

Excelent. I'l be very happy when I install the SSD.

eight.bit.al wrote:

In the pic of the memory, looks like a m.2 header on the left side. A better pic would help. especially if one could see where the mounting screw for the m.2 unit is.

https://www.vortez.net/articles_file/36 … 7%20m2.jpg

8bit

I can't open again the laptop. So I couldn't be sure if the connector you say is the right. I found a video with the same configuration that this system has. As you can see, the left connector of the HDD is a wire which, I believed, communicate the green/red light about the writing of the disk.

Unless my friend want to open again and check if the m2 is a real option, we'll get an 2.5 inch SSD disk and replace the HDD. I'll see if I can get a caddy for the HDD because the DVD has not use nowadays.

Thanks you all for your help!

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#15 2020-10-20 16:02:03

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Hello again!
So, I can’t find the same ram model in my country. It’s ok if I remove the one the system got and replace it by two of the same model ?

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#16 2020-10-20 17:33:26

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Re: Upgrading laptop SSD - RAM

emek wrote:

Hello again!
So, I can’t find the same ram model in my country. It’s ok if I remove the one the system got and replace it by two of the same model ?

Yes, and I'm glad you've got it sorted out.

DDR3 PC3-12800 • CL=11 • Unbuffered • NON-ECC • DDR3-1600 • 1.35V • 1024Meg x 64

You don't have to match brand, but it'd always better. As long as it meets the specks.

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#17 2020-10-20 18:35:40

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You should be able to by one new ram module with same spec.
If you visit a physical store, it might be easier for you to get the right ram.

This ThinkPad T440s, I'm writing on, I bought used for $130. It had only 8 GB RAM in bank0. I had one 2 GB with same speed, I inserted, for getting additonal RAM. Do not need to enable swap on the SSD.

Comps are not that fuzzy about hardware...


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#18 2020-10-20 19:07:43

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rbh wrote:

Comps are not that fuzzy about hardware...

^ Please elaborate. The geek in my can't parse this.

One can mis-match memory size, but it will defeat memory interleaving, if the chipset supports it.

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#19 2020-10-21 01:33:26

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So we just finish installing the SSD. We use a caddy for the old HDD. It's awesome the change in speed. We'll check what we do about the RAM but so far so goooood!

Thanks you guys!

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#20 2020-10-21 02:15:26

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^ Nice!

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#21 2020-10-21 09:33:42

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Re: Upgrading laptop SSD - RAM

eight.bit.al wrote:
rbh wrote:

Comps are not that fuzzy about hardware...

^ Please elaborate. The geek in my can't parse this.

One can mis-match memory size, but it will defeat memory interleaving, if the chipset supports it.

Characteristics of The SODIM RAM Module in BANK 2:
    Total Width: 64 bits
    Data Width: 64 bits
    Size: 8192 MB
    Form Factor: SODIMM
    Type: DDR3
    Type Detail: Synchronous
    Speed: 1600 MT/s
    Manufacturer: Samsung

I had a spare SODIM module:
    Total Width: 64 bits
    Data Width: 64 bits
    Size: 4096 MB
    Form Factor: Chip
    Type: DDR3
    Type Detail: Synchronous
    Speed: 1600 MT/s
    Manufacturer: Elpida

It has the same characteristics as the original SODIM. I do get an performance increace with it. Of course it would be better to have two modules of the same size.
But one should never let the best be the enemy of the good.

I am satisfied with the increase I could get without bying new RAM.


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#22 2020-10-21 13:54:32

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Re: Upgrading laptop SSD - RAM

rbh wrote:

I am satisfied with the increase I could get without bying new RAM.

Yes, satisfied with second best is your prerogative. And not a bad choice if one already has the memory.

By the tone of the OP, they didn't have memory laying around; let alone coincidentally being the right type of memory.

"Of course I'm guessing, since we're lacking any sort of hard info.
But it's a good guess." - ohnonot

And I would be remiss if I didn't suggest the best option.

rbh wrote:

But one should never let the best be the enemy of the good.

Overkill. It wasn't suggested the best was the only acceptable option.

I guess it comes from being mostly a hardware guy. Building kit computers in the '70s. Piggybacking ram and adding the logic chips to get more than 3k memory on my Vic 20... I loved this stuff. And then computers got to advanced for the average garage hacker like me to keep up with. Sad.

So, I can't help but 'shoot for the moon' where hardware's concerned. But that's just me.

The speed increase for reading/writing to both memory sticks simultaneously is a most noticeable performance improvement; and IMHO well worth the extra monetary cost.

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#23 2020-10-21 16:45:43

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@eight.bit.al You advised: "You don't have to match brand, but it'd always better". If money is no factor at all, you might be right. But money is a factor.

Do you know the theorethical performance difference between 2X6 GB RAM and 4+8 GB RAM? Do you think, you can you in everyday work notice the difference? If I someday buy a new 8 GB Sodim, I will perform benchmark test and share the result.
I predict the difference will be negligible and not noticable when using the pc.

So, adding a 4 GB module instead instead of buing an 8 GB, is not only a good choice, it is a very good choice.
It is not only ths Thinkpad that coyuld benefit from shopping...

It is allways SAFER to use memmory of same brand and specs. That is the main difference...


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#24 2020-10-21 17:30:13

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^ I think you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.

regards,
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