Upgrade to Lithium tut

hhh · 2020-08-19 21:05:34

Epic fail for me.

The short version, whatever graphic configs I made I didn't remove before upgrading, nor any third-party sources like spotify and my VPN, and everything fell apart during the upgrade before even hitting the dist-upgrade. Blinking, flashing, darkness.

I'm going to try again by removing everything but debian sources, and remove lightdm and bunsen* and shoot for a pure debian dist-upgrade, then install bunsen-meta-all

hhh · 2020-08-19 22:11:54

Posting as I run this upgrade, three points...

1) My mistake, I haven't made any graphics config files on this fresh install.

2) I probably messed up damo's instructions by rebooting after changing sources and upgrading but before dist-upgrading, giving me blinky flashy.

3) This is a stupid-slow way to install lithium, you could have backed up your media and files and configs and installed the new ISO and imported your old files 3 times before you even start a dist-upgrade from helium to lithium. The upgrade is only at 18%, I still have a dist-upgrade to go.

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hhh · 2020-08-19 23:26:03

OK, but two hours later it's running.

Brief, slightly messy instructions, I need to run this upgrade a second time but, fuck me, two hours.

Skip bl-welcome/don't upgrade helium 64 bit...

Remove vlc*, lightdm* (ignore the error), libreoffice*, bunsen*

Disable all sources except for Debian.

Then apt-update & apt-upgrade

~ 150 packages upgraded, 2 installed

Reboot. Text login. startx

Right-click for the main menu. Shortcuts still work, just no panel.

Change sources.list to buster, apt update && apt upgrade

~ 841 packages upgraded, 171 newly installed

apt dist-upgrade

language can be set, default is latin, I chose that

restart services, I chose Yes

Some fussiness and --fix-missing and dpkg --reconfigure and whatnot, then enable lithium in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/bunsen.list. Then...

sudo apt update && sudo apt install bunsen-meta-all

sudo apt --purge auoremove && sudo reboot

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johnraff · 2020-08-20 00:08:34

Thanks for the time you put in this hhh (two hours!).

hhh wrote:

Skip bl-welcome/don't upgrade helium 64 bit...

It's always recommended to get your current system fully up to date before dist-upgrading, so I'm not sure about this one.

Remove vlc*, lightdm* (ignore the error), libreoffice*, bunsen*

All those packages should upgrade themselves with no problem, so again...

Disable all sources except for Debian.

Yes! At least all sources except Debian and BunsenLabs. I was going to suggest @damo add a note about commenting-out any third-party repos they might have added before doing the upgrade.

Then apt-update & apt-upgrade
~ 150 packages upgraded, 2 installed

OK

Reboot. Text login. startx

But why reboot? Especially after you've removed LightDM?

Right-click for the main menu. Shortcuts still work, just no panel.

No tint2? Why would that be?

Change sources.list to buster, apt update && apt upgrade
~ 841 packages upgraded, 171 newly installed
apt dist-upgrade
language can be set, default is latin, I chose that
restart services, I chose Yes
Some fussiness and --fix-missing and dpkg --reconfigure and whatnot,
then enable lithium in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/bunsen.list.
Then...

I think it should (should) go more smoothly if you update the BL sources to Lithium at the same time as Debian to Buster.

sudo apt update && sudo apt install bunsen-meta-all

And, why this?

hhh, this seems so complicated. I can't understand why Damo's way wouldn't work for you. Was the Helium install incomplete in some way, or not fully upgraded?

johnraff · 2020-08-20 00:16:12

damo wrote:

I think that it may be best to leave the new apps for users to install themselves, apart from jgmenu and xbindkeys of course, which are pretty fundamental to Lithium. I'll just emphasize it in a step-by-step procedure, and let folk install and set alternatives if they want (I still prefer terminator myself!).

Agreed. Let's just list up the apps that have changed. And people who like terminator can carry on using it, no problems.

Another one I forgot yesterday: 'at'. This is needed for the beepmein alarm clock, but needs to be installed without recommends else it will pull in a bunch of geeky email software.

And, lets add a reminder to disable any third-party repos users might have naughtily added before trying the dist-upgrade. They can then research again if they're still necessary, and if so put them back in.

PS is there something to be said for disabling backports before doing the dist-upgrade? By definition, backported packages are supposed to upgrade smoothly to the next stable version (ie stretch-backports > buster). Buster-backports are a different story again, and users who wanted the stretch backports might not necessarily need buster-backports.

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hhh · 2020-08-20 01:26:58

johnraff wrote:

Has, this seems so complicated. I can't understand why Damo's way wouldn't work for you. Was the Helium install incomplete in some way, or not fully upgraded?

No, the install was fine both times. As I said, I'm sure the reason damo's instructions didn't work was a mistake on my end.

But so complicated? I guess, it took similar time. I'm not submitting it as a tutorial or anything.

Anyway, now it's running Xfce4 at 340MB OOTB...

https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic … 73#p105373

Last edited by hhh (2020-08-20 01:32:24)

johnraff · 2020-08-20 01:50:19

(^I've been running BL with xfdesktop4 for a long time now. I just like being able to throw files down on the desktop till I figure out what to do with them. It gets messy, just like in real life...)

hhh · 2020-08-20 01:55:23

I'm on Cinnamon, it has a desktop.

johnraff · 2020-08-21 04:25:18

@damo, the backports bit might need some editing:

upgrading tutorial wrote:

...backported packages may no longer be necessary. Disable your backports sources before a dist-upgrade to see if the packages are still required (disable by commenting out the lines with "#"). If so then you can subsequently do...

I think backports should be handled more-or-less like 3rd party repos, ie disable them, then do the dist-upgrade, then check whether you still need something from buster-backports, and, if so, enable them.

Possibly something like this?

...backported packages may no longer be necessary. Disable your backports sources before a dist-upgrade (disable by commenting out the lines with "#"). After the dist-upgrade, see if the backported packages are still required (or even available). If so then you can subsequently do...

(Because a package was available in stretch-backports doesn't always mean there's a buster-backports version.)

damo · 2020-08-21 07:56:58

^ That's what was meant, but your version is a bit clearer.

PS I had a very nice PM from someone who said the tutorial "worked like a charm"

johnraff · 2020-08-22 01:03:10

^It's so encouraging to get a bit of positive feedback!

johnraff · 2020-08-22 03:13:50

damo wrote:

We should have done a tut months ago!

To be honest, I thought upgrading would be a lot more complicated than it's turned out to be. Credit to Debian I guess.

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