[SOLVED] Need general help with moving to latest BL

damo · 2020-08-17 20:29:28

^ Why don't you download them from https://github.com/BunsenLabs?

hhh · 2020-08-17 21:14:50

damo wrote:

^ Why don't you download them from https://github.com/BunsenLabs?

Right, it's the same thing but without updates, but those are basically static packages. Just unzip the package(s) and move the folders to ~/.icons or ~/.local/share/icons or /usr/share/icons

They should show up in lxappearance immediately, or maybe after logging out first (I think it's the first, I can't remember). Links in the next post.

hhh · 2020-08-17 21:23:54

https://github.com/BunsenLabs/bunsen-pa … ithium.zip

hhh · 2020-08-17 21:26:26

Also, let's see /etc/apt/sources.list and files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d while we're at it. Output of 'sudo apt update' works too.

-edit- Rebooted into lithium, this is what I have.

/etc/apt/sources.list

# 

# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 10 _Lithium_ - Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20200531-17:44]/ buster contrib main non-free

#deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 10 _Lithium_ - Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20200531-17:44]/ buster contrib main non-free

deb https://deb.debian.org/debian buster main non-free contrib
# deb-src https://deb.debian.org/debian buster main non-free contrib

## Debian security updates
deb https://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main contrib non-free

# buster-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
deb https://deb.debian.org/debian buster-updates main contrib non-free
# deb-src https://deb.debian.org/debian buster-updates main contrib non-free

# This system was installed using small removable media
# (e.g. netinst, live or single CD). The matching "deb cdrom"
# entries were disabled at the end of the installation process.
# For information about how to configure apt package sources,
# see the sources.list(5) manual.

The hashes are important, they comment lines out.

/etc/apt/sources.list.d/bunsen.list

deb http://pkg.bunsenlabs.org/debian lithium main

There will be other lists if you have debian and/or bunsenlabs backports enabled, or for some other software (Spotify, Dropbox, a VPN, etc...)

rbh · 2020-08-17 22:51:37

schwim wrote:

Those packages are unable to be found for me I think because I am running hydrogen updated to buster.

It's not good not to upgrade BunsenLabs sources when upgrading Debian source. Hydrogen packages is no longer maintained (se list on https://www.bunsenlabs.org/repositories.html). Using outdated unmaintained packages is a security risk.

schwim · 2020-08-17 23:58:28

Hi there guys, thanks so much for the help and links! I'll download the packages and add them to see if that fixes me up

rbh wrote:

Using outdated unmaintained packages is a security risk.

It is indeed but moving the bunsen repo to lithium and upgrading horribly breaks my install. Like, no tint, no ob features(menu, etc), no terminal, etc. I've tried both keeping and upgrading the conf files on upgrade but no matter what I choose, it results in an unusable OS at the end.

Also, I end up with Lithium-look for the visual elements which doesn't give me warm fuzzies.

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rbh · 2020-08-18 12:46:39

@schwim, I retired one box, some months ago. It was installed with #!10, upgraded to #!11, then Hydrogen, > Deuterium and helium. I'm uncertain if it was retired before Lithium or not.
It is doable to upgrade from one dist version to another (do not jump over one), without breaking everything.
You can even upgrade to Lithium and continue using obmenu. (But jgmenu is better than obmenu...)

In the start of the thread, you wrote that you had installed latest BL, that should be Helium then in april 2019? Or, did you roll back to `Hydrogen after april?

Maybe you should test on a new box (External usb-hd, Virtual vm or a cheap used pc)?

Do a new Lithium install, without old user-files. If you dont like default Lithium theme, you can change to Yethi or Bunsen-he, which are most close to old #! themes.

Then you check the configfiles from /usr/share/bunsen/skel, and compare them to your settings from your backup.

Your current strategi to not upgrade BunsenLabs repos, can not continue for ever. Someday it will break your system. I think it is better you in peace explore the upgrade path before that happens.

Last edited by rbh (2020-08-18 12:51:37)

schwim · 2020-08-18 14:53:09

rbh wrote:

@schwim, I retired one box, some months ago. It was installed with #!10, upgraded to #!11, then Hydrogen, > Deuterium and helium. I'm uncertain if it was retired before Lithium or not.
It is doable to upgrade from one dist version to another (do not jump over one), without breaking everything.
You can even upgrade to Lithium and continue using obmenu. (But jgmenu is better than obmenu...)
In the start of the thread, you wrote that you had installed latest BL, that should be Helium then in april 2019? Or, did you roll back to `Hydrogen after april?
Maybe you should test on a new box (External usb-hd, Virtual vm or a cheap used pc)?
Do a new Lithium install, without old user-files. If you dont like default Lithium theme, you can change to Yethi or Bunsen-he, which are most close to old #! themes.
Then you check the configfiles from /usr/share/bunsen/skel, and compare them to your settings from your backup.
Your current strategi to not upgrade BunsenLabs repos, can not continue for ever. Someday it will break your system. I think it is better you in peace explore the upgrade path before that happens.

It's a shame that I can upgrade entire operating systems without a single hiccup in minutes but that I need to spend hours troubleshooting the visual layer on it before I can use it to work in.

As for security, I still have a laptop running crunchbang (and a file server running xp :8 ). Nothing ill has come of it. While I understand the issue you're warning me of, in my decades of using linux, I have never once been a victim of anything malicious due to lack of updates. It's just not a real-world risk for me. I don't worry a bit about running a couple versions back. That being said, the breakage and incompatibilities are an actual real-world issue for me so I guess I'll install Lithium, spend the hours moving my stuff to it then more hours making it look not like Lithium. Just the price of harnessing the power of Linux, I guess

damo · 2020-08-18 17:17:08

schwim wrote:

... so I guess I'll install Lithium, spend the hours moving my stuff to it then more hours making it look not like Lithium....

It takes a few seconds to change themes with obconf, lxappearance and nitrogen. Or BLOB.

schwim · 2020-08-18 18:02:58

It's a moot point for me at this stage as I'll be working in a lithium install but before I retire the thread, I think it's safe to say that you can understand that it's so much more than just those elements that make up a user's customizations in an OS. It will literally take me days at the least to get the majority of what I'm used to using working again in the way I prefer. If I weren't a lowly layman, it would be different but I have to research and relearn everything every time I do this. Want to stop BL from logging me out all the time? I'll be googling that. Want it to do an auto-login on boot? My passwordless sudo(oh the gnashing of collective teeth!)? Conky updated and requiring changes to my normal config? A new menu to learn to customize? Your preferred editor won't install? I'll be researching all of this and so much more and all because I couldn't manage updating my BL to work with Buster.

I want to make it clear that although I can see that my tone could be construed as unappreciative, it's not. I love BL and will stick with it until the group goes the way of corenominal. That being said, the shifts from an older to newer BL install is not a trivial experience for the likes of my kind, it's a ton of down time, forum posts and frustration. I would have just loved to have updated to buster and been off and running but that wasn't the case. Instead, I got asked to know the answer to whether old or new configs should be held 20 or so times, the combination of which left me with a broken OS, no matter what I chose.

With that, I'll retire the thread as it's no longer relevant to my needs. I'll mark the subject and appreciate everyone's help and input throughout it's course. I'll see you all in the myriad of threads I create while trying to sort Lithium out.

Thanks!

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