Please Help, Why did y'all delete the old releases?!?

LordFrick · 2024-02-01 10:32:21

I wish to install the original debian 8 bunsenlabs "deuterium"

It was available on the server in the "archive" but now all there is is lithium. No deuterium (debian 8) or helium (debian 9).

Searching the internet for bl-Deuterium-amd64_20170429.iso or bl-Deuterium-amd64_20170429.iso.torrent turns up no useful results!

Why do distros do this, it only takes a couple GB on their servers to maintain old releases. KDE Neon, Pop! OS, and now Bunsenlabs? I made an account here specifically to ask this.

Users may have various reasons why they would want an old release. For example, I use PopOS 18.04 for Chromium development. Luckily I saved the ISO.
I want to install Bunsenlabs deuterium on an old Atom notebook, for performance, and because releases since Deuterium have strayed further and further from the original crunchbang look (so has crunchbangplusplus, but to a lesser degree), and I don't need any software on the notebook newer than what the debian 8 repos provide.

If anyone could explain or point me someplace I could get it, or if someone happens to have archived it, I would be thankful.

johnraff · 2024-02-01 11:38:00

LordFrick wrote:

Searching the internet for bl-Deuterium-amd64_20170429.iso or bl-Deuterium-amd64_20170429.iso.torrent turns up no useful results!
Why do distros do this, it only takes a couple GB on their servers to maintain old releases.
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I want to install Bunsenlabs deuterium on an old Atom notebook, for performance, and because releases since Deuterium have strayed further and further from the original crunchbang look... and I don't need any software on the notebook newer than what the debian 8 repos provide.
If anyone could explain or point me someplace I could get it, or if someone happens to have archived it, I would be thankful.

Well, server space is a factor. One iso is only a GB or so but the whole archives tarball was of course multi-GB and the server container was going over 90% usage.

I don't think even Debian actually encourage people to install obsolete releases, and Deuterium wouldn't work unless the apt sources were edited to access the Debian archive repositories. Of course you could do that, but would be very strongly recommended to upgrade your system to Debian Bookworm. Even if the Debian 8 packages have "all you need", unless you never connect to the internet there are serious security implications. This has to be done step-by-step one release at a time and I'm sure would get quite boring.

Not all distros are willing to provide support to people using obsolete systems, maybe because of lack of manpower, maybe from some policy decision. I think BunsenLabs can support the Stable release and the equivalent of Debian oldstable and oldoldstable, ie going back to Lithium. Even the archives tarball we used to host contained a strongly-worded notice not to use the isos for anything except research, and certainly not for a working computer connected to the internet.

All that said, I do have personal archives of all our iso files and can upload Deuterium (64bit or 32bit?) somewhere for you, on a 100% your own responsibility basis.

Another alternative for you might be to install #!++ which is also based on Debian 12 but is stylistically closer to #!.

There are also working torrent links for an old CrunchBang iso here: https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic … 37#p107337 Of course no guarantee anyone is still seeding.

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LordFrick · 2024-02-02 11:02:05

Thank you, I know I will have to edit the sources.list, and also uninstall the flash player package as it causes dpkg errors because the endpoint is dead since 2021.

I am only wanting to use this release for nostalgia purposes and because newer Linux is too demanding on this old Atom CPU. Same reason I use Windows 7 on a seperate machine.]

Of course I use up to date Debian and Win 10 on my main machine.

But yeah, can you please upload Deuterium x64 bit somewhere, or send it via wormhole.

johnraff · 2024-02-03 03:26:33

I've emailed you the wormhole link.
It's good for 23 hours from the last edit date of this post.

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LordFrick · 2024-02-04 07:53:06

I dont see it in my email? Did you send it to Alex313031@gmail.com?

johnraff · 2024-02-04 08:00:51

^Yes that's where it went.
Two messages in fact - the first upload broke because I didn't have backblaze javascript enabled.
No bounces came back.

Even the second one will have timed out by now - you only get 24 hours.

But let's fix the email first...

LordFrick · 2024-02-04 08:03:08

OK I found it, but this is the original "Hydrogen" release from 2016. The one I am looking for has deuterium in the name and is from 2017. The difference is some changes in the theme, and hydrogen being based on debian 8.0, while deuterium is based on 8.9.

The full name is bl-Deuterium-amd64_20170429.iso

Also, the wormhole link expired anyway.

johnraff · 2024-02-04 08:21:28

In fact Debian 8.9 is just Debian 8 with some package upgrades, so Hydrogen would be the same - both Debian and BL packages - after an apt upgrade.
The Hydrogen repos are still online (maybe not for long though). Those would be the same as what came with Deuterium, which was just a point upgrade from Hydrogen, not really a new release. We later regretted changing the name like that - we should just have named the iso hydrogen-2 or something.

If you're desperate to have the Deuterium iso I will extract it from the archive tarball and upload it to wormhole but we'd better co-ordinate this so it doesn't expire before you get it.

I'm on JST here: my window of availability tomorrow is around 0:00 ~ 08:00 UTC.

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LordFrick · 2024-02-04 10:18:34

I know that 8 can be upgraded to 8.9, but I would really like the deuterium ISO, as it makes installation faster, and the lsb-release says "deuterium" instead of "hydrogen" which I like.

But, if you have the entire old archive tarball that has the i386 versions and the helium versions, could you just send the entire tarball? That way I could extract them and upload them to my website and github for the world to have, in case anyone wants the deuterium or helium releases, and that way also if I ever want them in the future I don't have to bug anyone in the forum again lol.

What does JST mean?
And OK I will set an reminder to be present here at 12:00 PM Central Standard Time, which should be 6:00 PM your time.

Robi · 2024-02-04 20:39:55

Japan Standard Time (JST) is 9 hours ahead of Coordinated Universal Time (UTC).

johnraff · 2024-02-05 01:51:35

LordFrick wrote:

I know that 8 can be upgraded to 8.9, but I would really like the deuterium ISO, as it makes installation faster, and the lsb-release says "deuterium" instead of "hydrogen" which I like.

You realize that these are not exactly compelling reasons why somebody should go to some trouble to provide you with this file?

But, if you have the entire old archive tarball that has the i386 versions and the helium versions, could you just send the entire tarball? That way I could extract them and upload them to my website and github for the world to have, in case anyone wants the deuterium or helium releases...

Sorry, I'm not willing to do that. It's a 12GB file, too big for wormhole and would take a long time to upload. Also I'm not happy with the idea of having these obsolete iso files available "for the world to have".

In fact, I'm afraid you've convinced me that sharing that iso file with somebody who's considering uploading it to their website and github would not be a good idea. I thought it was just for your own personal use.

Sorry.

LordFrick · 2024-02-05 03:48:14

Oh ok, thats ok. I can just use the deuterium ISO alone. For my own use.
And probably noone else would want them anyway lol.

Can you please send the deuterium x64 ISO. IDK where else I would get it and I would really like to get this Atom notebook the way I had it (I originally had this release on it, but now it has debian 11 and is super slow).

And if what bothered you about my previous comment was attribution, I would have specified that I didn't make it and it is an old bunsenlabs release, with a link to the site. Kinda like I did here with ArchLabs (which fell off the face of the earth) > https://github.com/Alex313031/OS_and_So … 2023.06.07

But yeah, I'll do whatever your wishes are, for whatever your reasons. Just was trying to get the release is all.

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johnraff · 2024-02-05 04:14:31

LordFrick wrote:

Can you please send the deuterium x64 ISO. IDK where else I would get it...

Install Debian 8 and add whatever BL configs you need. All the source is on GitHub, just go to the hydrogen branch of the packages.
https://github.com/BunsenLabs
Or use the hydrogen branch of the netinstall script on a base CLI Debian 8 system.
https://github.com/BunsenLabs/bunsen-ne … e/hydrogen

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