Reduce number of Boron themes?

johnraff · 2023-10-24 09:59:00

hhh wrote:

Also, I'm all for tweaking it some more, but let's not let themes/appearance get in the way of pushing Boron.

Yes, yes absolutely. It's already dragged on too long, and a tweak of the darkred icons can very easily be done after the release.

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I do want to fix Blob's behaviour when the necessary wallpaper isn't available, but I can see a way forward on that so as soon as I have a day or so free it should be done.

johnraff · 2023-10-25 04:35:09

Are those two red wallpapers ready to be added to bunsen-images?
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/hhhor … n/Ruby.png
https://i.imgur.com/1SfbnY7.png

Can you make nicely proportioned 1440x900 and 1280x1024 versions too?

And I guess the previous Boron-dark wallpapers can be moved from images-base to images (ie not default)?

hhh · 2023-10-26 23:35:12

Couldn't get to the resizing today, I'll upload them over the weekend. You want the one with no flame, just the circles? Sure, I'll make the slight color-shift on it too.

Yes to moving the other walls.

johnraff · 2023-10-27 02:30:40

With or without flame, I'm easy. Or ship both for that matter, as we do for Boron-Emerald.
(...think I prefer with flame in fact.)

Sure make the colour shift if you feel it would be an improvement. I'll tweak the darkred icons to match later, probably post-release.

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Now working on BLOB to handle the case when the needed wallpaper isn't available, like this. Hoping to get it finished today.

(I think dmontaine is wrong about the theme not changing properly, and he's definitely wrong about the tint2 height which hasn't changed since Hydrogen.)

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hhh · 2023-10-27 13:50:15

Uploaded to my boron-artwork repo...

https://github.com/hhhorb/boron-wallpapers/tree/main

I did flame and no-flame versions, let me know if you want text-flame versions. I thought no-flame might get used for conkies or maybe by users adding another distro logo.

Just a reminder that we're varying from the Debian art requirements with these sizes...

https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDesktop/A … quirements

... but I recall you have a reason, I just can't remember what it is.

johnraff · 2023-10-28 04:42:36

^Looking good! Fetched and about to add to bunsen-images-base.
I think the flame is enough for BL branding on Ruby, so maybe we can manage without text; flame + no-flame should be enough, right? Two basic designs (aqua + red) x two variants x three resolutions is already twelve files.

I'm by no means knowlegable on display resolutions, or hardware in general for that matter. The current choice of three sizes came from this discussion starting here continuing here with Bearded_Blunder:

B_B wrote:

1440x900?
Neither fish nor fowl, though even then the whole logo is on screen, it'd be fine I suspect with the tint2 panel as shipped.

johnraff wrote:

What are the three recommended resolutions?

B_B wrote:

I vote it gets the 1920X1080 (1080p) default 1440x900, and 1280x1024 (SXGA)

Debian requirements, just taking the smaller versions:
1280x1024 5:4 SXGA
1600x1200 4:3 standard
1920x1200 16:10 widescreen
1920x1080 16:9 FullHD

So we're currently providing two of those: 1280x1024 and 1920x1080, plus 1440x900 which corresponds to the "widescreen" 16:10 ratio at a smaller size than Debian's. (B_B thought 1440x900 might be a reasonable compromise for default which wouldn't look horrible for anyone.) That leaves the "standard" 4:3 ratio we don't ship.

I have no objections to changing what sizes we ship by default, but not sure if we want to have as many as four different sized wallpapers.

hhh · 2023-10-28 07:23:25

Negative, what we have is good. Just checking.

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johnraff · 2023-11-05 09:40:38

johnraff wrote:

Now working on BLOB to handle the case when the needed wallpaper isn't available, like this. Hoping to get it finished today.

It took a bit longer than that (as usual) but blob got a lot of attention last week.
https://github.com/BunsenLabs/bunsen-blob/commits/boron

Now to do this:

johnraff wrote:

Make a new theme set Boron-Aqua using the dark Boron-aqua theme + boron-dark-vertical.tint2rc + Numix-Bunsen-Circle-aqua icons, make it the new default desktop and also add it to the BLOB collection.

...and update the existing themes sets to work better with the current blob script.

johnraff · 2023-11-07 09:53:51

Wrapping up BLOB, but noticed that the bunsen flame icon (used for BLOB and other BL utilities) is very hard to see when iconified on the light vertical tint2. Caught up in trying various settings but finally think that in the tint2rc "Task" section around lines 182~ I would like to raise the transparency of both open-but-not-active, and iconified, tasks thus:

task_icon_asb = 100 0 0
task_active_icon_asb = 100 0 0
task_urgent_icon_asb = 100 0 0
task_iconified_icon_asb = 80 0 0

I'm out of time now, but have yet to check whether this might be needed with the dark tint2s too.

Hope you don't consider this bikeshedding. Actually, I've long had issues distinguishing iconified tasks from windows which are upen but without focus, maybe this will improve it? The different coloured active task background still makes it very clear which task is active.

hhh · 2023-11-08 06:25:04

No, don't worry about bike shedding, the Devil is in the details.

Don't work on Picom, I'll do that tomorrow. It should be easy, just reduce opacity and radius so that you can shift it low and right without it looking like a big black blob (no pun intended).

I'd do it tonight but I have to reinstall BL, and I like the shadows on my Ubuntu desktop and don't want to mess with it there. It looks like what GNOME and Plasma do by default, to my eye.

johnraff · 2023-11-08 06:46:15

hhh wrote:

Don't work on Picom, I'll do that tomorrow. It should be easy, just reduce opacity and radius so that you can shift it low and right without it looking like a big black blob (no pun intended).

You mean the drop shadow? If so, agreed. I understand that the round corners prevent you from making the shadow too tight and well-defined without it looking square. But if it's a little bit less fuzzy and a bit more like a shadow falling to the bottom right, it makes windows appear to float above the desktop in a cool way. Whatever you find to be possible...

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I'm going to change the icon_asb to 100 0 0 for all except iconified at 80 0 0 for all four tint2s (vert, horiz, light, dark). I think it's a slight usability improvement.

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I find that the BL icon is invisible in menus with suru++ on a light theme, so plan to set that icon theme in jgmenurc only in dark-themed blobs, and our default boron-aqua. On light-themed blobs it can go back to Numix or whatever is set.

suru++ does look very cool in the menu on dark themes and I'm hoping our users will like it too.

Once all the user-side settings (now tint2 and picom) are fixed I can roll up the latest BLOB, and then see if it will be easy to get a light-coloured power icon for dark themes. The other one is the black "updates available" icon. Fingers crossed.

The next release needn't be a Beta IMO, but can be a Release Candidate, as long as we can patch up those two tricky icons.

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hhh · 2023-11-08 06:55:37

Shit, just make it the Release, don't you think? The fixes will come in an apt upgrade when you rebuild the packages.

hhh · 2023-11-08 06:58:12

BTW, we already have a YT review, but Sector11 is going to have to tell me if it's good or not, yo no habla Espanol...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LLx1Aljd6k&t=16s

johnraff · 2023-11-08 07:04:43

^^I see that POV, but human error is always possible. If the RC has no issues then just doing another build with a changed name is trivially easy to do.

But another point is that our online presence - website, repos, downloads, default branches etc - will need updating to make Boron the default. Our previous webmaster always used to handle that stuff. Not too difficult (thanks to tools he left behind), but something I can be working on while people are checking out the RC iso.

Oh yes, we'll need some Release Notes too.

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johnraff · 2023-11-08 07:08:36

hhh wrote:

BTW, we already have a YT review, but Sector11 is going to have to tell me if it's good or not, yo no habla Espanol...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LLx1Aljd6k&t=16s

I ran the page through a translator and the comments were mostly pretty good.
But he speaks too fast for me to get even a hint what he's saying.

...I think he liked it, but let's see what Sector11 has to say.

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hhh · 2023-11-11 02:50:23

@johnraff, re: picom. Just use what we did for Beryllium...

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Bunse … picom.conf

It'll do just fine.

johnraff · 2023-11-11 06:32:44

^Just the shadow part, right?
Don't want to lose those round corners.

hhh · 2023-11-12 13:09:07

Yes, shadow radius and opacity settings! Maybe leave the current ones commented out.

johnraff · 2023-11-14 06:25:54

OK I tried the Beryllium shadow settings, and hit the issue we found a while ago, that while the window corners are round, the shadow corner is square.

Beryllium shadow:

Tried blurring it off a bit.
Blur radius to 12:

Now the shadow's too big, so tried pulling it in a bit.
Offset to -6:

Of course the shadow is much more visible on a white background.
The same settings on aqua wallpaper:

Could that be a reasonable compromise? Feel like tweaking it a bit more?

hhh · 2023-11-14 06:59:23

Yeah, it looks pretty good but let me take a look at it tomorrow.

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