Boron alpha 1 iso available for testing and feedback

cog · 2023-07-22 04:46:05

Sounds like a bug to me. Hopefully your input helps fix that.

Last edited by cog (2023-07-22 04:46:23)

johnraff · 2023-07-22 04:55:27

Yes, treatment of live-only packages has been messy for a long time, and I was using an l-b hook and a Debian-Installer patch to work around some of it. The recent improvement of Debian Installer that it does actually look at filesystem.packages-remove makes the patch unnecessary, but has brought out the l-b issue. Now anyone who uses a *list.chroot_live file will get it.

PS much kudos to you if you figured out live-build in two days!

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cog · 2023-07-22 05:11:02

johnraff wrote:

PS much kudos to you if you figured out live-build in two days!

Well the kudos really goes to kali Linux. I just referenced their stuff, also lilidog. I had used live build before when you and I were sorting out secure boot on lithium but all I could remember when starting my own config was lb config, lb build, and lb clean LOL.

hhh · 2023-07-22 07:12:04

Off topic, @cog and @sleekmason, feel like pushing a theme here?

https://github.com/hhhorb/boron-themes
https://github.com/BunsenLabs/bunsen-themes/tree/boron

Seriously, if anyone watching this thread thinks they can be of any help, anywhere, feel free to shout out!

johnraff · 2023-07-22 08:04:49

^Right! The main purpose of this thread is to get feedback on alpha1 so we can make alpha2 better!

Sorry about the live-build distraction...

cog · 2023-07-22 08:08:33

Probably not the right thread but multiple projects were also collaborating.

cog · 2023-07-22 08:31:14

Didn’t mean that to sound snappy. Just we’re all doing the same thing essentially. It’s mutually beneficial for us to have a coalition.

sleekmason · 2023-07-22 13:22:54

And the fix is very simple, though it means another (small) edit to a live-build file:
Open /usr/lib/live/build/config in a root text editor,
find line 1373:
LIVE_PKG_LIST="config/package-lists/live.list.chroot"
and rename live.list.chroot with a _live suffix:
LIVE_PKG_LIST="config/package-lists/live.list.chroot_live"
Save the file and your next iso build should do the Right Thing and remove the unwanted live-boot and friends at the install stage. cool

I've looked on and off for a fix for this issue for a couple of years now. Finally, I can place different live packages. Awesome. Always wondered why the default wasn't allowing to add packages for live with the auto removal.

I've not messed with removing the gtk installer but it sounds like a stellar idea for minimal builds. I'll be working on it as well.

sleekmason · 2023-07-22 13:24:59

@hhh - All of my themes and the matching geany themes can be found in my themes github:
https://github.com/sleekmason/Themes

or to just grab the openbox and gtk themes to check them out:

curl -LJO https://github.com/sleekmason/extra-themes/archive/master.zip

Ozark, Glade and Forge are my personal favorites.

johnraff · 2023-07-23 05:05:09

cog wrote:

Didn’t mean that to sound snappy. Just we’re all doing the same thing essentially. It’s mutually beneficial for us to have a coalition.

Can't speak for others, but I didn't read anything snappy in your comments.

Open Source projects are very vulnerable to forking and fragmentation. It would be great if all of us could co-operate more closely.

...but this thread is about user feedback on alpha1 so we can get the next release into shape ASAP.

Some arena for related (openbox based? CrunchBang descendant?) discussion would be good. This forum is centered around BunsenLabs, but there is a BL & General Linux Discussion section. What kind of "coalition" did you have in mind? (If this topic gets going, I'll split it off as a new thread.)

cog · 2023-07-23 05:47:30

Cool man. Yeah and that’s what I meant on the previous comment about it’s not the best place to discuss. Sounds like we’re on the same page. Yeah, was just getting at there’s no point in you and sleek and I triple working something when someone finds something then we can just share it. For sure maybe a thread in off topic for the Debian derivative army.

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cog · 2023-07-23 05:48:53

Or maybe several different threads for common situations we’re all working on.

cog · 2023-07-23 05:56:16

BTW there are source packages for all my stuff too if y’all wanna repackage anything. For example I’ve got nwg-look that is way better than lxappearance, anyways proceed with the alpha 1 talk we’ll discuss other stuff in off topic.

johnraff · 2023-07-23 06:20:02

cog wrote:

...there’s no point in you and sleek and I triple working something when someone finds something then we can just share it.

I do try to share stuff I find that people might find useful. Apart from the whole BL development section which is relevant for other Debian-based distros, I've started some threads in the general Linux discussion zone:
https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=2519
https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=6641

EDIT
This one could be revived too:
https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=3339

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hhh · 2023-07-23 08:08:13

Not sure if I mentioned it, the default login theme should be Boron-aqua (dark, it fixes the panel text and just looks better than the light theme).

johnraff · 2023-07-23 09:37:33

^OK thanks!

...and yes that does look better.

johnraff · 2023-07-25 06:38:40

iso size discussion split off: https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=8630

johnraff · 2023-08-03 07:34:30

unklar wrote:

I suggest making the following changes in the standard conky's config file:

    minimum_width = 400, minimum_height = 0,-- width | height
    maximum_width = 1000,

    gap_x = 120,-- left | right
    gap_y = 45,-- up | down

in

    minimum_width = 00, minimum_height = 00,-- width | height
    maximum_width = 00,

    gap_x = 20,-- left | right
    gap_y = 20,-- up | down

Thank you - that worked nicely. Conky is just the right width now.
I would reduce the gap_y from 20 to 10, though, because the default conky text already has a blank line at the top. That would be needed if the weather script were enabled.

I do have a question, though: why 00 instead of 0? 0 seemed to work OK for me.

And, yes this too:

unklar wrote:

dmontaine wrote:
On screenshot above, the last line runs together in the Conky
The old config uses all characters with the last line in the width. If we still want to stay with the settings 00, for width/height/max, add 5 spaces.
Super+Alt+arrow${alignr}Tile quarter-screen
in
Super+Alt+arrow     ${alignr}Tile quarter-screen

Agreed.

unklar wrote:

I increased the font to 11

Fair enough, but let's stay with 10 for default just because it looks more elegant.
It's easy for users to increase the font size if they want to.

and the change
    own_window_type = 'desktop',
in
    own_window_type = 'normal',
causes the menu to be displayed even if the Conky window is right-clicked

True, but the disadvantage is that Win+d to show the desktop now hides the conky. Reading the conky is one reason people might want to show the desktop.

But anyway thanks for the other suggestions which I think we should put in default Boron... unless @hhh objects.

johnraff · 2023-08-05 07:40:06

@unklar's resized and moved conky, on a small 1280x768 display:

and on a more normal 1920x1080 (what is the most common resolution these days??):

The text colour is still the same as on Beryllium in the Boron conky; I tried picking the colour from the wallpaper's logo text (the brighter part on the right), so it is a little softer, though also less easy to read.
1280x768:

1920x1080:

Then, as an experiment, I tried adding shades so the text might be more readable on a variety of wallpapers.
1280x768:

1920x1080:

The differences are more obvious on the smaller resolution. Of course what we choose as default will have to be a compromise, to try to find something that looks at least reasonably OK for most users...

unklar · 2023-08-05 07:58:01

johnraff wrote:

unklar wrote:
I suggest making the following changes in the standard conky's config file:
    minimum_width = 400, minimum_height = 0,-- width | height
    maximum_width = 1000,

    gap_x = 120,-- left | right
    gap_y = 45,-- up | down
in
    minimum_width = 00, minimum_height = 00,-- width | height
    maximum_width = 00,

    gap_x = 20,-- left | right
    gap_y = 20,-- up | down
Thank you - that worked nicely. Conky is just the right width now.
I would reduce the gap_y from 20 to 10, though, because the default conky text already has a blank line at the top. That would be needed if the weather script were enabled.
I do have a question, though: why 00 instead of 0? 0 seemed to work OK for me.
And, yes this too:
unklar wrote:
dmontaine wrote:
On screenshot above, the last line runs together in the Conky
The old config uses all characters with the last line in the width. If we still want to stay with the settings 00, for width/height/max, add 5 spaces.
Super+Alt+arrow${alignr}Tile quarter-screen
in
Super+Alt+arrow     ${alignr}Tile quarter-screen
Agreed.
unklar wrote:
I increased the font to 11
Fair enough, but let's stay with 10 for default just because it looks more elegant.
It's easy for users to increase the font size if they want to.
and the change
    own_window_type = 'desktop',
in
    own_window_type = 'normal',
causes the menu to be displayed even if the Conky window is right-clicked
True, but the disadvantage is that Win+d to show the desktop now hides the conky. Reading the conky is one reason people might want to show the desktop.
But anyway thanks for the other suggestions which I think we should put in default Boron... unless @hhh objects.

Full agreement, @johnraff.
You are the master of this beautiful distribution and have the overall view (see for example this detail Win+d).

The 00 was just to make it stand out better. Of course 0 is not wrong.

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