Boron Desktop Suggestions

johnraff · 2023-08-07 02:14:07

^ There is a picom rounded-corners-exclude setting which seems to behave like shadow-exclude.

That's how I unrounded tint2's corners above. I found this example on the web:

rounded-corners-exclude = [
#	"! name~=''",    # exclude windows with no name
        "name = 'tint2'",
#       "class_g = 'tint2'",
#	"window_type = 'menu'",
#	"window_type = 'dock'",
#	"window_type = 'desktop'",
#	"window_type = 'dropdown_menu'",
#	"window_type = 'popup_menu'",
#	"window_type = 'tooltip'",
#	"window_type = 'utility'"
#	"class_g = 'Polybar'",
#	"class_g = 'Rofi'",
#	"class_g = 'Dunst'"
];

Maybe there's a window_type for maximized windows? I haven't researched this too much.

hhh · 2023-08-07 07:23:44

rounded-corners-exclude, maybe, but I don't know if you can set it to maximized windows. But add a small (5px, 10px, whatever) margin to your Obconf and the rounding looks great, IMO.

DeepDayze · 2023-08-07 20:14:09

What I did was reduce the rounded corner radius from 10 to 8 and looks better even on maximized windows.

johnraff · 2023-08-09 06:16:56

dmontaine wrote:

3) jgmenu - when showing the root menu from the menu button, create the same gap between the tint2 panel and the root menu as exists between the root menu and sub menus.
rbh wrote:
I think that is impossible to set.
maybe. But the offset is calculated by the jjgmenu_run script procedure send_tint2_env_vars_to_jgmenu().
So it should be possible to add a few pixels to the returned x2 value. But I am not a script guru, so maybe there is a problem I am not aware of.

Passing configuration to a running jgmenu or jgmenu_run is not simple. If anyone would like to invest the time in reading the manual and github issues...

But there is a workaround.
Add these two lines to jgmenurc:

menu_margin_x 		= 6
menu_margin_y 		= 36

Leave this as it is:

position_mode       = pointer

so the menu will appear wherever the desktop is clicked.

Submenu spacing is currently 6px

sub_spacing         = 6

as is the vertical tint2 left spacing we recently agreed to, so all those match.

The vertical margin of 36 is a hack: 30px for horizontal tint2's

panel_size = 99% 30

plus the same 6px. Adjust to match the height of tint2. There should be a way to set the margin relative to the top of a horizontal tint2 but I haven't found it.

The default vertical tint2 doesn't have a menu button, but if it does then the vertical 36px margin doesn't seem to upset things too much. Likewise for desktop right-clicking.

It's not 100% perfect but maybe tolerable as a default setting, for both menus triggered by the button or by a desktop right-click?

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hhh · 2023-08-09 08:40:29

^ I haven't tried it yet, but that seems pretty brilliant!

rbh · 2023-08-19 16:41:21

rbh wrote:

And think it is better for many newbie users with vertical panel.
That should been horizontal panel!
Windows, mac, gnome, kde, xfce and... all have as default an horizontal panel.

No one objected against this. So, I thougt it was settled with a horizontal tint panel. I pushed some changes to the Git repo for bunsenlabs-config. Among them I had edited the softlink tint2.rc to point to boron-light.tint2rc. Johnraff asked me to revert that, as boron-light-vertical.tint2rc is default.

I'm sorry if I have missled users. All who want an horizontal panels as default has to voice it.

johnraff · 2023-08-20 02:26:55

rbh wrote:

All who want an horizontal panels as default has to voice it.

Exactly!

When you proposed changing to the horizontal panel as default, nobody objected, but nobody approved either.
OTOH several people said they were OK with the vertical panel as default.

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The Dark desktop alternative config setup has a horizontal panel, and both vert and horiz are available for both dark and light.

It will be important to make sure new users are made aware of how easy it is to change this - either the whole config via BLOB or just the panel via bl-tint2-manager. We will need some good release notes!

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hhh · 2023-08-20 04:17:21

Y'all know the setup is my personal preference, and that the vertical and rather narrow tint2 panel and icons-only, erm, taskbar icons with flat-ish logos, rounded corners on windows and menus and notifications, with GNOME-ish drop shadows, all based on smartphone layouts on their side, is all easily changed? I mean, it's convoluted as hell, but not actually difficult, nor difficult to save most of your new or old or both configuration(s).

Definitely, I or someone will need to write a "What ToDo After Installing Boron" post, and put it in the Release Notes if it's well written.

johnraff · 2023-08-20 04:49:34

Several releases ago the default panel moved from top to bottom, we've changed from default light theme to dark, then very dark, now back to light with a vertical panel, round corners and menu icons.

I think it's good to have a surprise with each release, show our users something they might not have thought of.

But always make it easy to change to what you prefer.

rbh · 2023-08-20 05:28:28

johnraff wrote:

When you proposed changing to the horizontal panel as default, nobody objected, but nobody approved either.

The dev group discussed color theme. There was no discussion of omitting "root menu and exit buttons in the default tint2 panel." I agreed with @dmontaine, they should not be removed. You did not comment when I wrote:

rbh wrote:

I think that is an error. Should not ben left out on purpose. !

Can you now clarify if that is a feature or mistake?

I did not "proposed changing to the horizontal panel as default", I proposed to keep it default

johnraff · 2023-08-20 05:53:37

rbh wrote:

The dev group discussed color theme. There was no discussion of omitting "root menu and exit buttons in the default tint2 panel."

No there was no discussion, it appeared with the tint2 file @hhh provided. Such small things are easily changed afterwards if there is a consensus to do so. There is no need to discuss every tiny detail in advance of making an alpha release. The work would never get done!

rbh wrote:

I agreed with @dmontaine, they should not be removed. You did not comment when I wrote:
rbh wrote:
I think that is an error. Should not ben left out on purpose. !
Can you now clarify if that is a feature or mistake?

It was a decision made by @hhh:

hhh wrote:

The tint2 configs are mine and I'm not big on redundancy, hence the lack of logout and menu icons.

I have no problem with his choice. The alternative horizontal tint2 does have menu and logout buttons. I think it's good to have variety in the configs we offer.

rbh wrote:

I did not "proposed changing to the horizontal panel as default", I proposed to keep it default

The default tint2 config as provided by hhh for the Boron desktop was vertical. I later added an alternative horizontal version using his colours. Your proposal was to change the default Boron panel back to what had been the default for Beryllium. As I mentioned above, there was no chorus of voices to do that.

rbh · 2023-08-20 06:12:51

johnraff wrote:

rbh wrote:
I did not "proposed changing to the horizontal panel as default", I proposed to keep it default
The default tint2 config as provided by hhh for the Boron desktop was vertical. I later added an alternative horizontal version using his colours. Your proposal was to change the default Boron panel back to what had been the default for Beryllium.

Sorry. I did not understand that the decision was made, I thought there was a proposal to discuss.

johnraff · 2023-08-20 06:30:36

The discussion is always open. But as the person doing the work @hhh was entitled to put together a collection of files to his taste, on the basis that people can discuss and request changes afterwards. Which is what happened. You voiced your preference for a horizontal panel. Others (including me) said they were OK with @hhh's choice of vertical. I don't see any problem.

It's not as if your - or anyone's - opinion is being ignored, it's just that the discussion came after the initial work had been done, not before. The same applied to things you worked on, like eg tutorials.

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or1o9 · 2023-08-20 08:16:54

johnraff wrote:

Several releases ago the default panel moved from top to bottom, we've changed from default light theme to dark, then very dark, now back to light with a vertical panel, round corners and menu icons.
I think it's good to have a surprise with each release, show our users something they might not have thought of.
But always make it easy to change to what you prefer.

Yes, this. In the long run it helps and inspires the users creativity what it is possible to do and have as a desktop. And it helps and invigorates BL and it´s community to live and thrive.

I am confident that Boron will be a great release as it´s predecessors has been.

rbh · 2023-08-20 09:10:07

johnraff wrote:

the person doing the work @hhh was entitled to put together a collection of files to his taste,

That's not how I perceived it.

It's not as if your - or anyone's - opinion is being ignored, it's just that the discussion came after the initial work had been done, not before.

I had no idea on beforehand, that @hhh intended to omit menu and power button or change to vertical panel. So discuss that on beforehand, was not possible.
I did not raise the fact that you ignored my opinion. I raised the fact that you ignored my writing that there was made an mistake. You commented other things but not that. You could have written "it is decided".

hhh · 2023-08-21 02:11:57

Mea culpa again, I did a lot of the setup, and the setup is the way I like it. It's not for everyone and it's not decided, but is it so hard to change the default config once it's on you box? Isn't that over half the fun?

We didn't "vote" because we're short staffed and behind whatever schedule we were hoping for.

/Holy is isn't, Batman!

johnraff · 2023-08-21 03:06:20

@rbh Please read my posts. Why are you forcing me to repeat myself?

johnraff wrote:

...there was no discussion (of default tint2 changes), it appeared with the tint2 file @hhh provided. Such small things are easily changed afterwards if there is a consensus to do so. There is no need to discuss every tiny detail in advance of making an alpha release. The work would never get done!

We discussed it afterwards. Unfortunately there was no support for some of @rbh's suggestions.

johnraff wrote:

I don't see any problem.

Before the Lithium release (I think it was) Damo was still an active developer. Both he and I prefer the horizontal panel to vertical, so there was a majority for horizontal and @hhh's suggestion of changing to vertical was dropped. I don't think he had any problem with that (right, @hhh?).

I still prefer horizontal for my personal use, but in Boron we offer two desktops out of the box, and:

johnraff wrote:

I think it's good to have variety in the configs we offer.
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I think it's good to have a surprise with each release.

BTW Crunchbang and the early BunsenLabs had no menu button or exit button in the panel. Nobody complained. They were later added by the developers.

hhh · 2023-08-22 03:14:19

Super = Menu, type a few characters to find your program, then "Enter", Super+x = logout/reboot/shutdown, Alt+shortcut (example B reboot)

Why bring a mouse into it?

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