NVIDIA Installer for BunsenLabs

deleted0 · 2023-04-02 13:53:05

johnraff wrote:

eight.bit.al wrote:
BL needs a NVIDIA driver installer page in bl-welcome.
Could you open a new topic for this suggestion? Menu thread itself is quite big enough already.

If it makes you happy, it makes me happy.

8bit

Last edited by deleted0 (2023-04-07 13:46:42)

DeepDayze · 2023-04-03 01:03:23

That sounds like a good idea to have a section for nvidia install in BL-Welcome, and perhaps for non-free or specialized firmware? Also why not a section for tweaks if not already?

Last edited by DeepDayze (2023-04-03 01:04:14)

johnraff · 2023-04-03 05:16:52

Specifically, what do you think the welcome script should offer to do wrt Nvidia drivers? As I've said before, my graphics knowlege is weak going on zero and I'd need plenty of help in drawing up a suitable algorithm.

deleted0 · 2023-04-03 15:06:05

johnraff wrote:

I'd need plenty of help

I'll do whatever I can.

IMHO, any modern OS should provide a user friendly way to configure the hardware. Unless of course, it's designed not to be that way. It's all good; distros on all ends of the spectrum.

Is the the n̶e̶w̶ future BL? I hope so.

Interesting that BL started out; "We took a frame, added an engine and chassis, axles and wheels, plus some control systems. She flies down the road. Automatic transmission is on you."

My only offering to this idea is to look around at how others do it, and make a plan from there.

I once imported a script (and it's associated files) from MX Linux into Sparky Linux and it worked well.

The Ubuntu family installs the correct driver without prompt or notice to the user. Is that going too far?

8bit

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deleted0 · 2023-04-03 23:56:53

I imported the MX NVIDIA Driver script and associated files to BL.

It worked fine.

8bit

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johnraff · 2023-04-04 02:20:09

^Maybe that would be enough? Is it necessary to add it to bl-welcome?
Will non-Nvidia people mind having "Nvidia driver installer" in the menu?
Or should bl-welcome actually do a check for an Nvidia card, then offer to run the script?

Can you post a link to the MX script?

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hhh · 2023-04-04 03:20:07

In the past we have left driver configurations that aren't ready OOTB to the user, and forum members have provided tutorials or answers to threads to help.

Keep it that way?

johnraff · 2023-04-04 04:27:47

hhh wrote:

In the past we have left driver configurations that aren't ready OOTB to the user, and forum members have provided tutorials or answers to threads to help.
Keep it that way?

The situation changes over time - Nvidia support for old cards goes, Nouveau seems to get a bit better - and it would be great if someone with a good grasp could write an up-to-date Nvidia driver guide.

deleted0 · 2023-04-04 04:58:01

johnraff wrote:

^Maybe that would be enough? Is it necessary to add it to bl-welcome?

No.

Will non-Nvidia people mind having "Nvidia driver installer" in the menu?

That criteria would eliminate most of the menu.

Or should bl-welcome actually do a check for an Nvidia card, then offer to run the script?

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There is already everything needed in the script to check if it's the right card. Make it simple. One line, pass or fail nvidia card check.

Can you post a link to the MX script?

https://github.com/MX-Linux/ddm-mx/blob/master/ddm-mx

hhh wrote:

In the past we have left driver configurations that aren't ready OOTB to the user, and forum members have provided tutorials or answers to threads to help.
Keep it that way?

Bl is more user friendly than when it started. Is this a step too big?

8bit

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or1o9 · 2023-04-05 09:24:58

eight.bit.al wrote:

There is already everything needed in the script to check if it's the right card. Make it simple. One line, pass or fail nvidia card check.

Sounds reasonable.

johnraff · 2023-04-06 01:39:55

eight.bit.al wrote:

I imported the MX NVIDIA Driver script and associated files to BL.
It worked fine.

Did it work out of the box with no modifications?
I ask because:

ddm-mx wrote:

####MODIFICATIONS FOR MX by dolphin oracle
##depends: nvidia-detect-mx, nvidia-detect and cli-shell-utils
##modifications assume MX repos for the nvidia drivers

How did it manage without nvidia-detect-mx and cli-shell-utils?
Or did you import those too?

And the "MX repos for the nvidia drivers" part?

deleted0 · 2023-04-06 02:55:32

^ All necessary files were imported.

The script asks if the user wants to check the main, backports, and mx repos. Of course it fails if one selects these options other than main. And it has good error checking so it fails politely.

The script needs a fair amount of editing. edit-3: I just commented out the references to MX Test Repo. We could reuse them for BL.

8bit

edit: I think you should not spend much time on this 'til after the next release.

edit-2: I'm sure there are other scripts to look at/study.

Last edited by deleted0 (2023-04-06 13:37:05)

johnraff · 2023-04-06 05:31:47

OK I'll put revisiting this on my TODO list for Carbon so we don't forget.

(Yes there are some other loose ends to tidy up, but making gradual progress...)

deleted0 · 2023-04-06 12:07:36

eight.bit.al wrote:

edit-2: I'm sure there are other scripts to look at/study.

Other scripts for installing nvidia drivers, in case it wasn't clear.

8bit

johnraff · 2023-04-07 05:23:53

^Ah, I thought you were talking about Boron in general.

But OK let's keep an open mind for now about exactly how we should offer Nvidia driver support in the future. The landscape changes, and some of this hard work tends to become unnecessary with improvements upstream. As long as perfectly usable older hardware isn't thrown away unnecessarily.

THX1138 · 2023-05-05 14:06:43

(mod edit: merged in from a similar thread)

In many distro's it is possible to automate the process of removing Nouveau
and replacing it with proprietary Nvidia drivers. I have no idea how
complicated it might be to have something like "alternative driver" software
such as, mint, ubuntu, and many other distro's have, and I realise that Bunsenlabs
may be welded to the Debian philosophy, to the extent that my suggestion may seem anathema,
however, my belief is that offering choice to the user is what counts.
I could do the work of installing proprietary drivers, myself,
and follow a complex set of instructions, but if it were simple for the developers to achieve a process whereby it would save users a great deal of time. I would say
this distro would gain a lot more followers, and I would smile a lot more in my life,
although my wife would wonder why I had all this extra time on my hands.

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THX1138 · 2023-05-05 19:53:35

hhh wrote:

Nouveau seems to get a bit better - and it would be great if someone with a good grasp could write an up-to-date Nvidia driver guide.

Nouveau still cannot even deal with games such as Warzone 2100 without making it unplayable.
IMHO Nouveau is the absolute minimum a graphics driver needs to be in order to get anything 2 dimensional on a screen and has almost nil modern graphics capability.

johnraff · 2023-05-06 01:16:20

Once Boron is released, we all should have a good discussion about what could be done to make life a bit easier for Nvidia users.

Last edited by johnraff (2023-05-07 06:06:48)

THX1138 · 2023-05-08 13:00:22

johnraff wrote:

Once Boron is released, we all should have a good discussion about what could be done to make life a bit easier for Nvidia users.

That would be absolutely great. I, for one, realise it's probably difficult for developers to achieve, also there may be moral/ethical/political/technical issues, so a discussion would be great.

The problem isnt that people cant follow the instructions to enable the drivers they want.
The problem is that it's very time consuming and, if things go wrong, which they often do,
then it's very defeating. It makes you give up and restore the disk clone. I could easily go with distro's like ubuntu that make life simple in the Nvidia department, but their abandonment of EVERYTHING Linux and MOST THINGS debian, really clashes with quite a lot of my views on what linux should be. I believe debian, and Bunsenlabs, could find a way to offer proprietary Nvidia drivers without compromising their ethical/political/moral/technical stance.

That's the issue as a user. The issue for developers probably looks very different, but I'm not that advanced so I just dont know fully what problems there are.
I do know that a discussion on this would be very great

Last edited by THX1138 (2023-05-08 13:01:12)

DeepDayze · 2023-05-08 13:49:33

I was using the sgfxi (from https://smxi.org) script to install nvidia drivers for many years and it has worked quite well and had few issues with it. Something like this is a useful start even though it makes use of the nvidia package installer rather than debian packages.

Tested this on a test BL install on a machine with an nvidia card and no issues noted.

Last edited by DeepDayze (2023-05-08 13:50:32)

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