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#1 2015-12-09 22:59:33

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Release ISOs

The next release is planned for late January at the latest. It's possible the ISOs will be named RC2, but we're shooting for Release.

We've decided to stay with jessie packages and have all new packages be opt-in only. You break it, you keep the pieces.

The one exception we're making is yad for zenity as the newest Bunsen scripts will depend on it.

It looks like the keyboard-switcher applet will remain installed but not configured. The jessie version has bugs and a backport for this is too much trouble. This is negotiable, I guess.

SOUND: pulseaudio is buggy in BunsenLabs. pulse seems to play nice with KDE and GNOME and its derivatives (MATE, Cinnamon), but not so much with Xfce, LXDE and  BL. The consensus seems to be that we should stick with what we have, all configuration updates included, and deal with issues as they occur. This is definitely negotiable.

There have been a few issues with the lock screen (light-locker). This is tough to troubleshoot because we also offer an xfce4-power-manager backport that laptop users get prompted to install during bl-welcome. Again, we'll probably stick with what we have and troubleshoot as needed, but suggestions are encouraged.

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#2 2015-12-09 23:03:36

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Re: Release ISOs

Codecs, last call for codecs, everybody place their gstreamer bets, please.

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#3 2015-12-09 23:43:50

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^ ffmpeg replaces libav-tools in jessie-backports, as I mentioned elsewhere.  I recommend adding jessie-backports to the default /etc/apt/sources.list and ffmpeg as a dependency of...some bl-* metapackage.


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#4 2015-12-09 23:54:35

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^Yes, I did a jessie upgrade today that was all ffmpeg. Thanks!

BunsenLabs proudly announces the addition of @Head_on_a_Stick to the Team, his help is greatly appreciated.

-edit- @pvsage, I think The Plan of Attack is that we should include backported ffmpeg in our bunsen-labs repo, not our jessie-backport repo, and have it drawn in as a dependency of a BL package, as you said. This will leave our backport repo as opt-in still.

So potentially two packages NOT from jessie, yad and ffmpeg. Of couse, ffmpeg has some needed libraries, so not strictly two.  monkey

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#5 2015-12-10 00:06:54

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@pvsage, I just figured out what you're saying. Official jessie-backports in sources.list, not BL ones, and since ffmpeg is just the one package plus dependencies, that repo is still essentially opt-in.

I think that's a pretty good idea.

-edit- Or just roll that all in with bl-welcome.

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#6 2015-12-10 00:10:02

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BTW, it's been decided that flash-plugin-nonfree will be opt-in during bl-welcome.

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#7 2015-12-10 03:20:33

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Why do we need to install ffmpeg by default anyway? Does something in the default BL system depend on it?
I use it myself, but can't that be just one more app that users install for themselves?

Anyway, I'm working on bunsen-welcome right now. Should I add an option to add the Debian jessie-backports repo to the "System Tweaks" page?


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#8 2015-12-10 03:24:10

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BTW one thing to bear in mind is that yad's packages in the BL repo are amd64 and i386 only. Up to now everything has been pretty much architecture-independent but unless we build yad for all the other systems then BL's scripts will cease to be usable on them.


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#9 2015-12-10 11:33:32

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I'd forgotten that the base BL install doesn't include libav-tools; by all means, if that isn't part of RC1, then RC2/final doesn't need ffmpeg.

Obviously privately backported packages like yad are something we'll have to look at more closely if we want to eventually turn BL into a Debian Pure Blend.  I guess we can consider them a necessary evil for now; most other distrolets are only available for amd64 & i386, so it doesn't really put BL at a disadvantage.


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#10 2015-12-10 20:54:28

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hhh wrote:

Codecs, last call for codecs, everybody place their gstreamer bets, please.

We should go with the 1.0 gstreamer variants because 0.1 is end-of-life.
http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/d … 6291073680

So gstreamer1.0-{plugins-{base,good,bad,ugly},vaapi} (I think)

We probably also need the CODEC packages:
libavcodec56
libavcodec-extra
vdpau-va-driver


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#11 2015-12-10 22:16:25

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^ Are the libavcodec* packages needed if libav-tools isn't installed?

Plus good suggestion to include VDPAU; it appears to be working well with the open source drivers on more hardware now.


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#12 2015-12-10 22:31:10

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pvsage wrote:

^ Are the libavcodec* packages needed if libav-tools isn't installed?

I have no idea.

I know very little about these things.


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#13 2015-12-11 03:09:17

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Re: Release ISOs

johnraff wrote:

I'm working on bunsen-welcome right now. Should I add an option to add the Debian jessie-backports repo to the "System Tweaks" page?

Any opinions?


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#14 2015-12-11 03:10:56

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Probably a good idea given that there is some useful stuff in the backports repo.

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#15 2015-12-11 06:31:40

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johnraff wrote:

Should I add an option to add the Debian jessie-backports repo to the "System Tweaks" page?

Definitely.

Version 8.2 of the Debian jessie netinstall now asks if you want to add jessie-backports and if you do, it installs ffmpeg automatically.
cool


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#16 2015-12-11 07:28:28

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Re: Release ISOs

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
johnraff wrote:

Should I add an option to add the Debian jessie-backports repo to the "System Tweaks" page?

Definitely.

OK two votes is enough. Doing it now.

Version 8.2 of the Debian jessie netinstall now asks if you want to add jessie-backports and if you do, it installs ffmpeg automatically.
cool

Seriously? How does it know you want ffmpeg?


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#17 2015-12-11 08:26:27

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jessie-backports: http.debian.net or httpredir.debian.org?

I tried httpredir and it was much slower, but I thought it was supposed to be the better option...


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#18 2015-12-11 09:16:11

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Another interesting thing would be to cherry-pick/define stuff that is obviously better if installed via backports like libre-office, inkscape, blender (not sure how would one pin something like libreoffice).

p.s. The new Debian installer is still asking which local mirror would I prefer, so not sure how serious they are with httpredir stuff.

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#19 2015-12-13 01:59:51

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johnraff wrote:

jessie-backports: http.debian.net or httpredir.debian.org?

I tried httpredir and it was much slower, but I thought it was supposed to be the better option...

Yesterday 'http.debian' was really slow too. What is the best url for jessie backports??


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#20 2015-12-13 02:11:34

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johnraff wrote:

What is the best url for jessie backports??

$ dig http.debian.net

; <<>> DiG 9.4.2-P2 <<>> http.debian.net
;; global options:  printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 18641
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 4, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;http.debian.net.		IN	A

;; ANSWER SECTION:
http.debian.net.	251	IN	CNAME	httpredir.debian.org.
httpredir.debian.org.	300	IN	A	5.153.231.35
httpredir.debian.org.	300	IN	A	128.31.0.66
httpredir.debian.org.	300	IN	A	176.9.184.93

;; Query time: 22 msec
;; SERVER: 192.168.1.254#53(192.168.1.254)
;; WHEN: Sun Dec 13 02:09:48 2015
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 115

They're both the same but httpredir involves one less step through the web wink

EDIT: Must set my nameservers

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#21 2015-12-13 02:46:09

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^Thank you.
I'll use httpredir.


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#22 2015-12-14 10:15:02

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Please check the fbxkb-bug-suggestion before rollout next Release ISOs:

https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=614

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#23 2015-12-14 23:21:31

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Re: Release ISOs

I am slightly worried about BL installing anything from backports automatically.

As advised in Debian Backports ›› Instructions ...

Backports cannot be tested as extensively as Debian stable, and backports are provided on an as-is basis, with risk of incompatibilities with other components in Debian stable. Use with care!

It is therefore recommended to select single backported packages that fit your needs, and not use all available backports.

I suggest that, while the backports repo can be included in the default BL sources.list, it should be up to each user to manually install any backported package they actually require with apt-get -t jessie-backports install "package".

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#24 2015-12-15 07:21:26

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Zill wrote:

I am slightly worried about BL installing anything from backports automatically

My comment was about the Debian 8.2 netinstall ISO image.

The BunsenLabs-specific set up (ie, the part the BL developers have direct control over) only adds backports as a user-activated option.

I think ffmpeg is a special case anyway because of the licensing wrangles.


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#25 2015-12-16 02:29:05

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Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

The BunsenLabs-specific set up (ie, the part the BL developers have direct control over) only adds backports as a user-activated option.

Available in bunsen-welcome 8.6-1 which should be arriving on your desktop soonish.

If backports are added, the user is advised:

You can add or upgrade packages with the command:
sudo apt-get install -t jessie-backports <packagename>

but nothing is installed automatically.


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