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#1 2022-04-28 10:25:17

ErwinK265
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Virtual Machine for 32bit laptop

I recently started to work with Bunsenlabs Linux on my old Compaq Mini, all goes very well and I really enjoy Bunsenlabs. However I have been roaming the internet and forums to find an answer on my question. is there till a 32bit version of any Virtual Machine available like Virtualbox or VMWare? I've tried to install version 5 of Virtualbox bt my package installer doesn't agree with the package. Anyone out there to answer my question, would be very much appreciated!


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#2 2022-04-28 12:02:13

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Re: Virtual Machine for 32bit laptop

I would probably try this way
https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_D … urces.list

edit: There is also 'qemu' in repos.

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#3 2022-04-28 12:29:12

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Re: Virtual Machine for 32bit laptop

Also, Bearded_Blunder wrote an really nice updated guide to using Fast Track to get a Virtualbox setup using the debian method here: https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=8123

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#4 2022-04-28 16:17:21

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Re: Virtual Machine for 32bit laptop

About Virtualbox: If you browse Virtualbox.org repo: https://download.virtualbox.org/virtual … contrib/v/, you will see that version 5.2 is last version supporting i386 architecture.
Oracle writes on https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads: "Please also use version 5.2 if you still need support for 32-bit hosts, as this has been discontinued in 6.0. Version 5.2 will remain supported until July 2020."

The 5.2 deb is for Debian Stretch (9) and not installable on current stable/oldstable Debian.

So, package https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/qemu, is a good choice. It takes less resources.
Bochs https://bochs.sourceforge.io, is another possibility.


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#5 2022-04-28 16:18:45

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Re: Virtual Machine for 32bit laptop

In case the virtualbox thing does not work out, you can try virt-manager, which is RedHat's GUI for libvirt, which in turn is a library for managing KVM based virtual machines through qemu, which means this kind of virtual machine is also going to work on a 32 bit computer without any problem. You can get a good guess how virt-manager looks like here: <https://virt-manager.org/>

virt-manager, libvirt and qemu are all part of the normal Debian repos.

virt-manager is a bit more complex when it comes to get things like clipboard sharing or hardware-accelerated graphics in the guest without GPU passthrough working, but you can find these ones out step by step. See also https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Libvirt for the underlying technology. You can manipulate virt-manager virtual machines either through the GUI or without any loss of functionality through the libvirt CLI tools.

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#6 2022-04-28 16:25:31

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Re: Virtual Machine for 32bit laptop

VMware Workstation player and VMware Workstation Pro, require 64 bit processer


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#7 2022-04-28 19:55:12

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Re: Virtual Machine for 32bit laptop

rbh wrote:

VMware Workstation player and VMware Workstation Pro, require 64 bit processer

Unless you get old versions.

VMware you have to go right back to Player v6 & it's a royal pain to set up on Debian if memory serves. Assuming you can find it since they pulled the official download links.

As noted you've to go back to VirtualBox 5.2 to use VB. Assuming it'll play nice with your kernel & libraries.

In both cases you'll be using old software with numerous unpatched CVEs in a 32 bit system which is inherently less secure to begin with than 64bit.

If you're looking for something with a point & click interface like VirtualBox your best bet for something still supported for 32bit is probably virt-manager as @twoion suggested

sudo apt update
sudo apt upgrade    # if the last didn't return all packages up to date
sudo apt install qemu-kvm libvirt-daemon-system libvirt-clients bridge-utils virt-manager

Reboot to start the daemons & load any kernel modules.

It'll show up as Virtual Machine Manager under Applications > System >

After a little bit using it you'll be looking for something used 64bit with at least a 2nd gen Core i5 because performance of virtual machines with a 32bit host (or even 64bit without hardware virtualisation in the processor) is painful.


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#8 2022-04-30 06:27:25

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Re: Virtual Machine for 32bit laptop

Bearded_Blunder wrote:

After a little bit using it you'll be looking for something used 64bit with at least a 2nd gen Core i5 because performance of virtual machines with a 32bit host (or even 64bit without hardware virtualisation in the processor) is painful.

This was my immediate reaction too. How many 32bit machines are there with enough RAM and CPU power to even think of running virtual machines on them?

OTOH of course running 32bit guests on a more powerful machine is perfectly doable.


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#9 2022-04-30 09:28:50

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Re: Virtual Machine for 32bit laptop

johnraff wrote:

This was my immediate reaction too. How many 32bit machines are there with enough RAM and CPU power to even think of running virtual machines on them?

With 3 GB RAM and Pentium-4 2.8GHz cpu it is not so bad. But the multitasking ability is severely hampered...

Some people prefer 32 bit os on 64 bit boxes.

It is understandable that Virtualbox and WMWare stopped support 32 bit.


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