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#1 2022-01-03 08:55:46

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Beryllium Theming: Opinions

So I've proposed some themes that are similar to our previous themes. @johnraff has expressed some displeasure with this, and I agree. Too cold, too clinical and too similar to what we've released before. I've proposed something more organic, but what we need is user input, at the risk of it becoming a bike-shed issue.

Thoughts? (Ignore the conky and jgmenu tweaks on my system, these will most likely be left as they were.)

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#2 2022-01-03 11:10:42

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Re: Beryllium Theming: Opinions

^^This looks like S11's preferred color to me:
DCDCDC / 220 220 220 = Gainsboro

However, I don't think the wall should be a picture. It should be a uniform color like all BL's are.

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#3 2022-01-03 14:10:49

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Looks very much like MX Linux21


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#4 2022-01-04 06:32:55

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Waa. Derivative. But no pictures? Not even a minimal one like @sleekmason's?

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#5 2022-01-04 07:00:43

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So, traditional?

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#6 2022-01-04 08:00:20

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Having been invoked in the first post, I had something written around mid-day, but now it's gone.  cry
Maybe I hit "Preview" then closed the window without submitting?? That happens sometimes.

Anyway, I'm not sure but maybe the comment @hhh referred to was when I was a bit underenthusiastic about the purple in a proposed GTK theme.

As for the cold clinical bit that was @hhh's take, but now I think about it it could be true. We've been focussing on the Debian Bullseye default wallpaper as a base for our colour palette, but yes you could say the dark blue + teal is a bit cold.
FOKVS7em.png

Disclaimer: I took the sunrise photo and I think it's beautiful. I'd happily use it as a wallpaper for my own desktop - in fact I switch randomly every  couple of days between a collection of colourful photos for my wallpaper.

But the ideal default background for BL - maybe something simpler, less distracting? Simple and Elegant has always been the #! and BL way. Too much purple and orange and we'll start looking like Ubuntu. yikes

hhh wrote:

Hmm... what does that remind me of? Some OS of 20 years ago? Yes traditional. Nice yes.

I was quite fond of the "velvet noise" #! wallpaper though it was chubby in filesize.

Lithium is beautiful, we should be able to find a way forward.


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#7 2022-01-10 04:06:25

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I'm just going to theme the Parirus-colors icons until something hits or someone posts an undeniable wallpaper. I prefer to theme from a wall. Indigo...

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Also, agreed about Ubuntu purple and orange, I definitely noticed it and I think I mentioned it somewhere.


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#8 2022-01-10 04:33:06

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Re: Beryllium Theming: Opinions

Green...

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Put a tiny BL flame logo in the eyeball and ship it, except that snakes freak people out. Very pretty though, isn't it?


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#9 2022-01-10 05:16:23

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Re: Beryllium Theming: Opinions

hhh wrote:

I prefer to theme from a wall

How might a plain black (or dark grey) background work? With some restrained soft colours in the windows...


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#10 2022-01-10 06:02:14

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Instructions unclear. Made in ten minutes? Something like this...

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#11 2022-01-10 08:22:26

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How about a dark version?

But wrt the background - just simplicity. Plain colours load fast too, though these days that's not important.
There was some problem with gradients I recall? Banding - or is that only with jpgs? Otherwise, I wonder how a simple slightly-lighter-at-bottom gradient would look?

Maybe unpopular suggestion: Lithium is beautiful - tweak the colours close to the Bullseye pallette and use that? Not exciting, a bit cold...

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#12 2022-01-10 13:52:22

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Re: Beryllium Theming: Opinions

No one is going to run BL because of it's wallpaper. Little black dress, string of pearls and out the door. wink
(classic and simple)

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#13 2022-01-10 13:54:44

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Hi!

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#14 2022-01-11 02:36:38

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Re: Beryllium Theming: Opinions

eight.bit.al wrote:

No one is going to run BL because of it's wallpaper. Little black dress, string of pearls and out the door.

Actually, I was just wondering black.
Plain black background, sleek black theme like a small precision-made camera...

Could also make a seamless boot from grub to login, all with black background. cool

classic and simple

Yes!


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#15 2022-01-11 05:01:34

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johnraff wrote:

Actually, I was just wondering black.
Plain black background, sleek black theme like a small precision-made camera...

Could also make a seamless boot from grub to login, all with black background. cool

classic and simple

Yes!

Yes! cool

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#16 2022-01-11 08:44:47

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Yes! big_smile


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#17 2022-01-11 10:05:54

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Re: Beryllium Theming: Opinions

Much as I enjoy working at a TTY, I prefer my desktop not to look like one, at least, not unless it looks *exactly* like one.

One lonely downvote for plain black here.


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#18 2022-01-11 19:47:25

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For myself, the wallpaper never matters in the end, but having a nice beginning doesn't hurt.

Do you have you main theme yet? Matching the GTK theme would be the ticket.  Either directly or with a slight clash that doesn't hurt the eyes.

You could run something like this (below) through the gimp (or make new), messing with hue, saturation, contrast, etc until you at least get the right base color you want.  After that, the logo bit will be easier to do what you might want.

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Gradients are great for secondary wallpapers, but not for the main.  Yeah, banding. inevitable complaints? maybe.

Personally I prefer solid black backgrounds as well, but probably not for the main.  Seems to bug a lot of people.  Also, my brand spanking new dell shows bleed at the base in two spots on the solid black. That won't do to see on a regular basis. I'm guessing most of them do.

Anyway, pulling it away from solid black even a bit pretty much makes it gone!

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#19 2022-01-11 20:38:00

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Re: Beryllium Theming: Opinions

^ Yeah. That's very nice.

8bit

edit: the logo could be moved off center to balance a possible conky.

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#20 2022-01-13 00:11:17

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Re: Beryllium Theming: Opinions

Still tweaking (selected background needs to be darker, for one thing) and some of my prefs are evident, but... BL-Moonrise

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#21 2022-01-13 02:42:48

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^Yes maybe darken down some of those elements a bit? Perhaps add just a tiny bit of colour somewhere? eg borrow the Bullseye cyan for highlighting, like the red in Lithium? (might need greying down a bit though)

Personally I'd like a plain wallpaper, but others have different preferences.
Likewise I think the seamless boot path grub>tty>login>desktop that plain black makes possible is a plus, but the idea came up of a very dark grey instead, eg the #2F3537 of tile.png that we ship in wallpapers as a CrunchBang legacy...


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#22 2022-01-13 04:21:01

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^^Looks very cool @hhh, very nice to see some sharp corners in that color scheme.

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#23 2022-01-13 13:50:03

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Looks like a plan to me:) Nice theme work!

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#24 2022-01-14 02:13:55

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Re: Beryllium Theming: Opinions

(just throwing out ideas here)

How would it be if the wallpaper decorations' colours were very dark, subtle, almost invisible against the black background, something like a faint watermark?


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#25 2022-01-14 03:16:24

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^ Give me a little time here, there's a lot to digest. Solid black background, some subtle color somewhere, maybe a watermark...

Long and short of it, you guys are suggesting we go back to the #! desktop with a dark theme. I'm all about it, since we'll include additional themes, but I want to make sure I'm on the same page as y'all before doing more work.

Sigh, I really like my OP scrot. smile I was hoping we'd move forward with theming, not backwards, but so be it. GTK4 will probably be in the next Debian release and at the moment it doesn't allow theming at all, so let's have fun while we can.

https://www.osnews.com/story/133955/gno … not-happy/

Even Ubuntu are not using it because as of now it interferes with their theme branding...

https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-d … -lts/26156

the core applications are being ported to libadwaita which currently doesn’t allow for any theming or coloring, which means they would be visually inconsistent with our other components. We are working with upstream to try to get this resolved but it’s not likely to be for this cycle.



@sleekmason, can you link me an svg of your BL-flame image without the background?


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