[DONE] Boron suggestions

ekzotic · 2021-11-16 16:33:57

Can you add graphics driver installation and fixes for tearing?

DeepDayze · 2021-11-16 19:26:40

nore wrote:

DeepDayze wrote:
Tin
Shouldn't it be Stannum?

Yes that's the official name for tin....you are right.

johnraff · 2021-11-17 01:48:52

ekzotic wrote:

Can you add graphics driver installation and fixes for tearing?

Graphics isn't in my Zone, but tearing might be fixable now with some compositor setting tweaks. Why not post a new thread in GUI & Applications with some more detail of your problem? Somebody might be able to help.

hhh · 2021-11-17 03:00:24

johnraff wrote:

ekzotic wrote:
Can you add graphics driver installation and fixes for tearing?
Graphics isn't in my Zone, but tearing might be fixable now with some compositor setting tweaks. Why not post a new thread in GUI & Applications with some more detail of your problem? Somebody might be able to help.

It's way complicated, and I think beyond our scope. If we provide an xorg for Intel, will it screw up Nvidia users? Do we provide Nvidia 340 legacy, which is not available in Bullseye but is easily installable via buster-backports? Etc...

This is best left to the user, as messing with graphics drivers and xorg can bork startx/xinit/X, which is recoverable but not easy for a novice. I'd rather the user break the system post-install, and we provide support on the forums if help is requested, than us break it OOTB.

For tearing workarounds, the Arch Wiki is, once again, the best resource.

Intel...

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/intel_graphics#Tearing

Nvidia...

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA … en_tearing

AMD...

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/AMDGPU … _rendering

johnraff · 2021-11-17 04:44:24

hhh wrote:

johnraff wrote:
ekzotic wrote:
Can you add graphics driver installation and fixes for tearing?
Graphics isn't in my Zone, but tearing might be fixable now with some compositor setting tweaks. Why not post a new thread in GUI & Applications with some more detail of your problem? Somebody might be able to help.
It's way complicated, and I think beyond our scope. If we provide an xorg for Intel, will it screw up Nvidia users? Do we provide Nvidia 340 legacy...

Agreed, not something we should try to ship with our install media.

But @ekzotic if@hhh's links above weren't enough to get things fixed, if you'd like to start a new topic thread with some information about your hardware and the issues you are having, @hhh or someone else might possibly be able to help you. Without having to wait till Boron.

manyroads · 2021-11-17 14:10:00

@ekzotic You might try living without a compositor. I find that is the easiest of all fixes for the tearing I have experienced. I rarely miss having a compositor. If you are willing to use a basic compositor (xcompmgr) here's a setting I have found works on my Intels video cards with Debian based distros (arch, too).

# compositor
 xcompmgr -CnfF -I-.015 -O-.03 -D6 -t-1 -l-3 -r4.2 -o.5 &

Put it in your autostart script.... (after having installed xcompmgr)

ekzotic · 2021-11-20 17:17:26

Thanks for the help guys, I have it fixed with Nvidia drivers, but it would be nice to have some sort of post install script to install drivers automatically without googling solutions around the web.

hhh · 2021-11-20 20:14:13

ekzotic wrote:

Thanks for the help guys, I have it fixed with Nvidia drivers, but it would be nice to have some sort of post install script to install drivers automatically without googling solutions around the web.

I hear that. Ubuntu has a GUI interface for installing optional drivers, and many other distros offer this via a GUI or a menu option, so it possible.

jeffreyC · 2021-11-20 21:02:04

hhh wrote:

ekzotic wrote:
Thanks for the help guys, I have it fixed with Nvidia drivers, but it would be nice to have some sort of post install script to install drivers automatically without googling solutions around the web.
I hear that. Ubuntu has a GUI interface for installing optional drivers, and many other distros offer this via a GUI or a menu option, so it possible.

Maybe try the Nvidia driver installer from MX Linux?

hhh · 2021-11-20 22:20:05

jeffreyC wrote:

hhh wrote:
ekzotic wrote:
Thanks for the help guys, I have it fixed with Nvidia drivers, but it would be nice to have some sort of post install script to install drivers automatically without googling solutions around the web.
I hear that. Ubuntu has a GUI interface for installing optional drivers, and many other distros offer this via a GUI or a menu option, so it possible.
Maybe try the Nvidia driver installer from MX Linux?

The link to the instructions is maybe more suitable for BL. We're a "hands-on" distro...

https://tutorialforlinux.com/2020/10/10 … ion-guide/

AndrewSmart · 2022-04-16 19:41:53

Two suggestions (a few minutes of coding each):
1) Default clipit `<Ctrl><Alt>F` keymapping is awful, in `/usr/share/bunsen/skel/.config/clipit/clipitrc`.
Has interfered with the ability to escape fullscreen software in many occasions over the years... stuck in fullscreen in software which traps alt+tab and the ctrl+alt+f meant to escape that alt+tab trap won't work. X2go one example. Another example may have been Pharo, or FreeCAD, I don't recall exactly. Oh, StarCraft 2 is another example (didn't trap alt+tab but ctrl+alt+f would minimize the game and not have desired effect). Repeat episodes of confusion/frustration in not being able to use software according to expectations, and repeatedly chasing down what/where this keybinding occurs on different BL installs/users.

2) I think X2go is a hidden gem in remote desktop, a good selling point of BunsenLabs if one would put the work into showcasing it over the alternatives. I'm sure some tech blogger/magazine/youtuber somewhere would love the content/traffic. I'm not alone in choosing BunsenLabs over other distros, where a principle reason in that choice is this [1][2]. Excellent responsiveness over poor connection, and low bandwidth. Worked well over a 2G connection IIRC (very slow, about twice dial-up bandwidth).

So consider adding x2goclient and x2goserver install options to `bl-remote-desktop-pipemenu`, and a /usr/share/bunsen/skel/.x2goclient/sessions file containing something like:

[20220414143457967]
command=bunsenlabs-session
name=BunsenLabs remote session

At least I assume that this minimal file would bootstrap the 'bunsenlabs-session' into the relevant textbox for end user friendliness [2]. That was the most significant trouble I had in setting up a working connection at least, as the drop down option of 'openbox' wasn't what I wanted.

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johnraff · 2022-04-17 00:12:43

^Thanks Andrew.

1) Clipit is now deprecated, and the BL default is xfce4-clipman. So the easy solution will be to remove /usr/share/bunsen/skel/.config/clipit/clipitrc from bunsen-configs. Thanks for the reminder! (This can go in Beryllium.)

2) OK let's think about X2go for Boron. Noted.
btw where does that long number [20220414143457967] come from?

AndrewSmart · 2022-04-18 14:42:51

johnraff wrote:

1) Clipit is now deprecated,[...]

Whoops.

johnraff wrote:

2) OK let's think about X2go for Boron. Noted.
btw where does that long number [20220414143457967] come from?

Appears to be timestamp when entry made in GUI. I don't think it matters. Maybe for ordering of entries in the GUI.

Newer Gnome desktops don't work with X2Go, and KDE works well but takes a long time to initialize. BunsenLabs works great.

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dolly · 2022-11-28 16:27:52

Two simple suggestions for the "Boron" bl-welcome script.

1. Drop "Dropbox", no need for BL to give free advertising to them now. Cloud storage is so common anyway nowadays and everyone have their preference for it. So it seems a bit redundant to me.

2. Suggest "Nala", the apt frontend. Have tried it and it was very nice.

jeffreyC · 2022-11-28 18:00:57

1. For some unknown reason neither Debian or Ubuntu have seen fit to replace the broken ClipIt 1.4.4 (per the dev) with the fixed and working 1.4.5 version in their repos.

https://github.com/CristianHenzel/ClipIt

2. I will second the recommendation for Nala

rbh · 2022-11-28 18:57:36

dolly wrote:

1. Drop "Dropbox",

I agree with you on that. Especial since dropbox allow limited number of free clients.

2. Suggest "Nala", the apt frontend.

Nala is a nice enhancment. But it is not stable yet. It has crached for me once and in some situation you do not get proper information that apt serves.

johnraff · 2022-11-29 00:35:31

Dropbox - agreed we don't really need to offer it in bl-welcome any more, that does look a bit like "free advertising". But on the other hand, for those who want it, the scripting we provide does make installation very easy and avoids having to install something like nautilus-dropbox. It seems like a waste just to throw it away. (It would be nice to have equivalents for some of the other popular cloud sync services, if anyone felt like writing them.)

Debian do have various dropbox-related packages in their repo, and maybe having a "bunsen-dropbox-installer" package available for those who want it would be a compromise? But anyway, when the current server migration is done I'll start a dedicated thread to discuss the various options and see if we can get a consensus.

Nala - OK let's keep an eye on it...

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dolly · 2022-11-29 04:49:26

Yes, you make a strong point about Dropbox, it would be a waste to just throw it away. And I was not aware of that Nala not is stable yet. I will try to remember to check before I post next time. So it is probably better to keep it in the "tips&tricks" section for now.

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ututo · 2022-12-03 00:53:11

I'm one of those who installs the dropbox package in every fresh install of BL. I'm not a fan of DB but I've to use it due to work stuff. As johnraff says the script makes the installation easier. If you want to drop it from the bl-welcome script, ok. But maybe put an option to install it via root menu?

johnraff · 2022-12-03 02:49:09

^The welcome script presents a list of important-looking stuff, and maybe DB doesn't need to be promoted to that extent any more, but that makes at least two people (ututo & me) who find the installer handy, so perhaps a place in Menu > System > Install Favourite Packages would be reasonable?

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