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#1 2020-09-18 20:40:38

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'Skinning' an Ubuntu install with BunsenLabs Lithium? Or a Reinstall?

Hey there... It's been a long time away. Circumstances, life, etc. I was using Crunchbang and then BunsenLabs until shifting to a new laptop with some comparability issues slowed me down enough that I had to take a Bunsen Break.

But I'm back!

I'm going to ask some general advice and from there choose a direction that will have some more specific questions.

In my last posts, where I was trying to get BL working on my Asus Zenbook UX305, we talked about basically installing the Bunsen Meta pacakges and just choosing it instead of mainline Ubuntu when I log in.

(Near the end of this conversation:)
https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=2547&p=2

What I'm wondering: is that still a good option? I'm interested in this because I've been using this install for a few years now, so it would save me re-installing a lot of things and probably also a lot of file management.

Alternatively, maybe I try to do the live USB install of BunsenLabs Lithium, and then just install it overtop of Ubuntu, after a big backup? (I was having external monitor problems and networking problems out of the box initially, but three years later I wouldn't be surprised if they've been fixed.)

Also, I'm not using the exact same machine, I'm using a UX330 Zenbook.


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#2 2020-09-19 02:43:13

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Re: 'Skinning' an Ubuntu install with BunsenLabs Lithium? Or a Reinstall?

1) Please try it! We'd love to know how it went.

2) If the option's still available somewhere, try an Ubuntu "server" install, cli only, then add the BL Lithium repos and try to install bunsen-meta-all. It might well fail somewhere though...


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#3 2020-09-19 03:23:49

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Re: 'Skinning' an Ubuntu install with BunsenLabs Lithium? Or a Reinstall?

Just to make sure I'm clear johnraff

1)  means just adding the Bunsen Meta packages in the regular Ubuntu install and seeing how that goes?

2)  this is your advice if I was trying a full new install?

(I would probably try a live USB before that method, if only because the out-of-the-box functionality for my machine is probably better than when I tried it last! But if not, 2 looks like a good option.)


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#4 2020-09-19 03:48:44

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Re: 'Skinning' an Ubuntu install with BunsenLabs Lithium? Or a Reinstall?

Another option, which I did with Mint, is to install Openbox, and whatever other applications that are needed (jgmenu, xbindkeys, conky, tint2 etc),  and copy in the BL configs. I had something that looked and behaved like BL Hydrogen, but Mint handled the awkward hardware (until I figured out Optimus and NVidia hmm ).


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#5 2020-09-19 04:16:20

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Re: 'Skinning' an Ubuntu install with BunsenLabs Lithium? Or a Reinstall?

damo wrote:

Another option, which I did with Mint, is to install Openbox, and whatever other applications that are needed (jgmenu, xbindkeys, conky, tint2 etc),  and copy in the BL configs. I had something that looked and behaved like BL Hydrogen, but Mint handled the awkward hardware (until I figured out Optimus and NVidia hmm ).

Yeah, this is what I'm thinking as 'skinning' the Ubuntu install. Would it be fair to guess that the Bunsen Meta package would have all those BL applications?


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#6 2020-09-19 04:38:39

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Re: 'Skinning' an Ubuntu install with BunsenLabs Lithium? Or a Reinstall?

JasonMehmel wrote:

...Would it be fair to guess that the Bunsen Meta package would have all those BL applications?

Not quite, but they are dependencies of the relevant BL packages, so they will be brought in anyway. I just did it manually, and added all the features I wanted.

I don't know how Debian Alternatives would work with Ubuntu, so you may have to set default applications yourself; or edit xbindkeys and jgmenu's prepend.csv to use the built-ins eg screenshooter, wallpaper setter etc.


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#7 2020-09-21 21:23:26

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Re: 'Skinning' an Ubuntu install with BunsenLabs Lithium? Or a Reinstall?

So here's what I've got from adding the Lithium repository and attempting to install bunsen-meta-all:

$ sudo apt-get -f install bunsen-meta-all
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
bunsen-meta-all : Depends: firefox-esr but it is not installable
                   Depends: firmware-linux but it is not installable
                   Depends: firmware-realtek but it is not installable
                   Depends: firmware-iwlwifi but it is not installable
                   Depends: ntp but it is not going to be installed
                   Depends: python-keybinder but it is not installable
                   Depends: vdpau-va-driver but it is not installable
                   Depends: bunsen-pipemenus but it is not going to be installed
E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.

One solution could simply be to add the repositories for those specific packages, right? Or am I missing something with the Lithium repository that I added?


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#8 2020-09-21 21:31:06

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Re: 'Skinning' an Ubuntu install with BunsenLabs Lithium? Or a Reinstall?

So what is the base system you are trying to install the BL packages on? If it is ubuntu-based then it is probable that Debian versions, which BL packages depend on, will be incompatible.

That is why I manually installed the applications I wanted, and copied in my BL configs.


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#9 2020-09-21 21:52:50

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Re: 'Skinning' an Ubuntu install with BunsenLabs Lithium? Or a Reinstall?

JasonMehmel wrote:

One solution could simply be to add the repositories for those specific packages, right? Or am I missing something with the Lithium repository that I added?

As you're finding out, you don't add repositories right and left per-package. I'll refer to the LotR meme...

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One does not simply... add repositories!

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#10 2020-09-21 21:59:15

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Re: 'Skinning' an Ubuntu install with BunsenLabs Lithium? Or a Reinstall?

All jokes aside, we need to know what OS you've settled on and what BL packages aren't working. Oh, and what non-Debian repositories you've added.

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#11 2020-09-21 22:00:26

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Re: 'Skinning' an Ubuntu install with BunsenLabs Lithium? Or a Reinstall?

If a Lithium package depends on packagename-xxx from Debian, and in Ubuntu it is called packagename-yyy, or their dependencies are different, then "some packages could not be installed".

Why not install the applications needed eg openbox, jgmenu, xbindkeys, conky, tint2, lightdm etc? Then get the configs from skel.

And be prepared for tweaking to make things play nice with Ubuntu.

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#12 2020-09-21 22:03:10

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Re: 'Skinning' an Ubuntu install with BunsenLabs Lithium? Or a Reinstall?

^ I've added non-Debian repos to the list of info we need to help.

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#13 2020-09-21 22:18:08

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Re: 'Skinning' an Ubuntu install with BunsenLabs Lithium? Or a Reinstall?

I just upgraded to Ubuntu 20.04 last night.

I should have thought of that... Ubuntu is not Debian. (If you know what I mean.)

I'm thinking I'll build a shopping list of the Bunsen experience (and may crowdsource with you all to make sure the list is robust) and then do an install of all of those bits. My hope is from the Ubuntu login option, one of my selections will be the Bunsen windows manager, and then from there I'll have a script to load all the Bunsen apps I want running in default there.

This is of course assuming the 'skinning' idea of Bunsen over Ubuntu.

I'm also going to try loading Lithium off a live USB tonight and seeing if that works. If everything works out-of-the-box...

I've got Ubuntu on a split hard drive with Windows, I might split off ANOTHER section of the Windows hard drive (which I'm not really ever using) and install Lithium over there. Then maybe I just live in that section and if I haven't logged into Ubuntu in six months or something, just copy over the personal files and wipe it clean...


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#14 2020-09-22 00:18:00

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Re: 'Skinning' an Ubuntu install with BunsenLabs Lithium? Or a Reinstall?

Okay, weirdly I was replying to post #8 but missed the posts following it.

damo, it looks like you've already started my shopping list.

openbox, jgmenu, xbindkeys, conky, tint2, lightdm, etc

I'm wondering what else is core BunsenLabs experience?


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#15 2020-09-22 07:40:55

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Re: 'Skinning' an Ubuntu install with BunsenLabs Lithium? Or a Reinstall?

JasonMehmel wrote:

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openbox, jgmenu, xbindkeys, conky, tint2, lightdm, etc

I'm wondering what else is core BunsenLabs experience?

Themes.


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#16 2020-09-22 18:19:17

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Re: 'Skinning' an Ubuntu install with BunsenLabs Lithium? Or a Reinstall?

damo wrote:

Themes.

Just to make sure I'm super clear, are those Bunsen specific themes? I can probably find them in the Bunsen Github?


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#17 2020-09-22 20:17:30

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Re: 'Skinning' an Ubuntu install with BunsenLabs Lithium? Or a Reinstall?

JasonMehmel wrote:
damo wrote:

Themes.

Just to make sure I'm super clear, are those Bunsen specific themes? I can probably find them in the Bunsen Github?

The BL icons; conky and tint2 configs; Openbox and gtk themes; wallpapers.


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#18 2020-09-26 02:52:05

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Re: 'Skinning' an Ubuntu install with BunsenLabs Lithium? Or a Reinstall?

damo wrote:
JasonMehmel wrote:
damo wrote:

Themes.

Just to make sure I'm super clear, are those Bunsen specific themes? I can probably find them in the Bunsen Github?

The BL icons; conky and tint2 configs; Openbox and gtk themes; wallpapers.

So yes, they're available in our GitHub. Themes and icons are in the bunsen-themes package, and configs are in bunsen-configs...

https://github.com/BunsenLabs/bunsen-themes

https://github.com/BunsenLabs/bunsen-co … el/.config

Wallpapers are in bunsen-images...

https://github.com/BunsenLabs/bunsen-im … ium/bl-img

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#19 2020-10-05 18:36:19

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Re: 'Skinning' an Ubuntu install with BunsenLabs Lithium? Or a Reinstall?

Okay, so I downloaded the apps on the list, and was able to log in to an Openbox version option from the Ubuntu login screen, but it opened into a desktop without any other functionality. (The pipemenus weren't working, and there wasn't anything I think of to get them working.) In retrospect, I could have tried the hotkeys for a terminal to see if that would work.

I'm wondering if there's something I can do to sort of 'set up' the Openbox version with all the Bunsen functionalities?

In newb fashion, I just sort of hoped that a lot of it would 'work' but I also expected it wouldn't be that easy.


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#20 2020-10-05 18:44:32

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Re: 'Skinning' an Ubuntu install with BunsenLabs Lithium? Or a Reinstall?

Did you set up the bunsen and openbox dotfiles, autostart etc?


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#21 2020-10-05 20:05:02

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Re: 'Skinning' an Ubuntu install with BunsenLabs Lithium? Or a Reinstall?

I did not! Would I put those in an openbox folder somewhere?

Is autostart basically that file that runs a series of commands starting up various things? (newb alert)


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#22 2020-10-05 22:24:32

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Re: 'Skinning' an Ubuntu install with BunsenLabs Lithium? Or a Reinstall?

Look at https://github.com/BunsenLabs/bunsen-configs.

/skel/.config shows the config dotfiles in a stock BL installation. You need at least .config/bunsen and .config/openbox.

Perhaps you should also be reading the Openbox wiki? http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Contents.


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#23 2020-10-05 23:03:06

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Re: 'Skinning' an Ubuntu install with BunsenLabs Lithium? Or a Reinstall?

Thanks for the leads! I'll do my homework and come back to report when I've had a chance to try it!


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