The i386 CD iso

hhh · 2020-07-02 23:20:15

No worries, John. Nice work. I'm fine with using Adwaita OOTB, prettier icons are an apt install away. I'm sure anone using a 32 bit non-PAE machine with no USB port and only a CD drive will be thrilled to have anything that they can install and have a functional desktop OOTB.

johnraff · 2020-07-05 02:54:10

hhh, another idea to run by you - drop Firefox from the CD iso, and replace with Dillo? Not only would it save a big chunk of filespace that could be replaced with eg the missing locales stuff, but dillo is just vastly, incredibly, faster on old machines. On my 32bit Celeron 1GB laptop it comes up in a flash!

No javascript of course, and I want to look into using it with the BL forum: https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=6652
Would be cool to set the forum as the home page.
But even if just the online support links worked OK in Dillo, then users wanting more can install Firefox.

hhh wrote:

...a 32 bit non-PAE machine with no USB port and only a CD drive...

We're no longer shipping a fullsized 32bit iso for users with USB boot. It was intended to save a bit of maintainance by having only two varieties on offer, but actual building of a full-sized 32bit iso is basically editing one line of the 64bit config, so we could go back to three versions?

johnraff · 2020-07-06 10:00:29

Posting from dillo to see if it's possible.

EDIT: It is!

Last edited by johnraff (2020-07-06 10:02:42)

hhh · 2020-07-08 00:56:36

+1 to Dillo then! We can add an explanation to the CD-ISO Release Notes regarding omitted packages, but this should be pretty self-explanatory, fixed by installing the Meta package and easily [RESOLVED] with the first dozen Help posts we get for it.

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johnraff · 2020-07-08 01:51:22

I've also taken the liberty of adding a "Web Browsers" section to menu>system>install selected packages that offers Firefox-esd, Chromium and Dillo, to the next upgrade of bunsen-pipemenus (not out yet).

It took only a tiny bit of code, and might bypass some of those HELP requests.

(Apart from grungy appearance, no javascript, and a multitude of other inconveniences, Dillo really is amazing on old hardware. Also an excellent docs browser - opens gz files automatically.)

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And hoping to get nearer to a RC CD iso today. (Need to tweak icons a bit somewhere to get a bunsen flame on tint2's menu button even when using Adwaita.)

Once that's out, a fresh build of the 64bit RC with the same configs (but pulling in the new package versions) ought to be all we need to go Official Release.

Oh yes... release notes?

hhh · 2020-07-08 02:09:23

I have tomorrow off, I'll post something in about 16 hours, then you guys can add to it, I'll revise that version and we can push it.

johnraff · 2020-07-08 02:29:01

^sounds like a good flow.

hhh · 2020-07-08 20:22:00

So I just started listing new features in the 64 bit version, I'm trying to list major ones first. So far...

Tracks current Debian stable (buster)
Has separate sessions for BunsenLabs Openbox and default Debian Openbox
The BL session uses jgmenu by default
New bl-exit script
New dark default theme by default, featuring custom-colored Papirus icons
Much smoother loading of desktop
Includes lightdm-greeter-settings (login screen gui)
lxterminal instead of terminator
Bluetooth support available via bl-welcome
Other bl-welcome tweaks
Our python2 scripts have been migrated to python3
"Delayed first boot after install bug" no longer present

What am I missing?

Blob Theme Manager saves more configs
Improvements to tint2 and conky managers, and vertical tint2 configs available OOTB
Removed bl-images-extra and some tint2 and conky config redundancy (all still available via our git)

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damo · 2020-07-08 23:10:12

Improvements to BLOB themes manager, and conky and tint2 managers.

hhh · 2020-07-08 23:48:48

@damo, almost all the improvements I've listed could use more explanation, I probably will put together a basic Release Notes and then an in-depth one. "Improvements" works for the simple notes, could you summarize the more detailed improvements?

-edit- Blob, tint2 and conky improvements added to the short-list.

Last edited by hhh (2020-07-09 00:54:26)

johnraff · 2020-07-09 01:39:16

hhh wrote:

So I just started listing new features in the 64 bit version, I'm trying to list major ones first. So far...
Tracks current Debian stable (buster)
Has separate sessions for BunsenLabs Openbox and default Debian Openbox
The BL session uses jgmenu by default
New bl-exit script
New dark default theme by default, featuring custom-colored Papirus icons
Much smoother loading of desktop
Includes lightdm-greeter-settings (login screen gui)
lxterminal instead of terminator
Bluetooth support available via bl-welcome
Other bl-welcome tweaks
Our python2 scripts have been migrated to python3
"Delayed first boot after install bug" no longer present
What am I missing?

hhh, you referred back to my rough list when drawing that up?

Looks good, anyway, but if I can add a bit here:

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I think modularity needs bringing out more, and tweakability maybe too. It's the underlying reason for a lot of what users sometimes see as "unnecessary complication", and something they could be made more aware of.

So, perhaps point 2 could be:

More modularity and flexibility, eg the Bunsenlabs session can coexist with a default Openbox or XFCE session.

(I just now installed xfce4 and confirmed that both the BL and XFCE sessions work OK - except that the user would have to enable their "Desktop" directory in ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs. That wouldn't hurt BL.)

Add (I think this is important):

Openbox can be replaced with another window manager, while keeping BL's autostarted apps, menu and keybinds.

And:

Other users on the system are not obliged to import the BL config files.

(Although this might be one for the "details" list?

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3) "The BL session uses jgmenu by default, with many new features." ?

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6) Was desktop loading so rough in Helium? I never noticed it. ??

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7)

Added some GUI config tools, eg lightdm-greeter-settings

?? There are some others? If not, I don't see lightdm-greeter-settings alone as such a major feature. But no objection to leaving it in the list.

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8 ) This too, looks a bit minor to me. If others disagree, sure leave it in, or, replace with

Some default applications have been changed.

??

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9) & 10) Combine as one item? And "tweaks" > "improvements"? (I think doing all the apt operations together at the end of bl-welcome is a major improvement.)

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11) Add "Most of" to cover corner cases. But I'm not sure how important python2/3 is to users anyway?

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12) Refers to the addition of haveged to fix the entropy issue I guess? Did that issue exist on Debian 9? If not, fixing it in Deb 10 is hardly a major improvement for users.

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damo wrote:

Improvements to BLOB themes manager, and conky and tint2 managers.

Agreed. Maybe after item 5) or so?

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This is important, I think. Add:

Installer now supports Secure Boot.

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And, add final item:

And many other small tweaks, improvements and bug-fixes. Please see the detailed release notes.

With a link to the detailed list.

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hhh wrote:

@damo, almost all the improvements I've listed could use more explanation, I probably will put together a basic Release Notes and then an in-depth one.

If it's OK with you guys, should I write the detailed release notes? Most of the stuff in there I typed into the codebase so I'm fairly familiar with it.

johnraff · 2020-07-09 01:43:18

hhh wrote:

Blob Theme Manager saves more configs
Improvements to tint2 and conky managers, and vertical tint2 configs available OOTB
Removed bl-images-extra and some tint2 and conky config redundancy (all still available via our git)

1) "Blob Theme Manager has seen many improvements."
(hhh, if you knew how long I spent on that...)

3) Would users see this as a cool improvement? Maybe something for the detailed list?

hhh · 2020-07-09 01:45:12

@John, great. Secure Boot, good call. I'll revise my list in the next few days with these suggestions added.

You want to write the detailed notes? Please!

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hhh · 2020-07-09 01:48:52

johnraff wrote:

1) "Blob Theme Manager has seen many improvements."
(Has, if you knew how long I spent on that...)

Dude, I can feel that comment. We have all spent a LOT of time on BL. Feels good going into this release, though, doesn't it?

johnraff · 2020-07-09 02:31:54

^Yes!
I think (despite the cries of "bloat") this is a step in the right direction, and with any luck we might be able to coast into Beryllium with rather less effort...

johnraff · 2020-07-12 08:26:04

I think this latest CD iso is looking pretty good.

Now down to 678MB so in fact there's space to put some stuff in!

Taken out this time: Firefox-esr and all the Paper icon theme, so defaulting to Dillo and Adwaita. It really doesn't look too bad. Also, put back the locale files, so no weird error messages, and mousepad so new users get a more comfortable text editor than nano in a terminal. The man pages are still missing though.

On a VM with 1GB of RAM the installed system booted to 165MB. After installing Paper icons, up to 175, but still OK IMO.

Dillo is a great replacement for Firefox when looking up help topics in the BL forum or Arch wiki.

So, we could put the man pages back in, or alternatively add some handy CLI utilities for troubleshooting old machines (especially network tools, to avoid Catch 22).

If we decide to make the tint2 changes it'll need one more upgrade of bunsen-configs and one more build, then we'll be ready to go official IMO.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1B5jEQx … sp=sharing
sha256: d009060175fbb325f936aaaebf03abf328165a031b94dc4603e4c60c8f8959c3

johnraff · 2020-07-13 07:36:37

Here's the package list that went into that CD iso. I forgot 'at' but it will be in the next build:

bunsen-common
bunsen-configs-lite
bunsen-configs-pulse
bunsen-conky
bunsen-docs
bunsen-exit
bunsen-fortune
bunsen-images
bunsen-keyring
bunsen-os-release
bunsen-pipemenus
bunsen-themes
bunsen-thunar
bunsen-utilities
bunsen-welcome

alsa-utils
anacron
apt-transport-https
arandr
at-spi2-core
bash-completion
btrfs-progs
chntpw
clipit
conky-all
cpufrequtils
cryptsetup
curl
crda
dbus-x11
dillo
dmz-cursor-theme
dosfstools
efibootmgr
eject
evince
f2fs-tools
fbxkb
file-roller
firmware-b43-installer
firmware-b43legacy-installer
firmware-linux
firmware-realtek
firmware-iwlwifi
fonts-inconsolata
fonts-liberation
fuse
galculator
galternatives
gddrescue
gdebi
gigolo
gmrun
gnome-keyring
gparted
gsimplecal
gtk2-engines-pixbuf
gvfs
gvfs-backends
gvfs-fuse
hardinfo
haveged
hdparm
hddtemp
hfsprogs
htop
hwdata
i965-va-driver
intel-microcode
inxi
jgmenu
less
libexo-1-0
libinput-tools
libpam-gnome-keyring
libnotify-bin
libqt5svg5
lightdm
lightdm-gtk-greeter
lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings
light-locker
locales
lsb-release
lshw
lvm2
lxappearance
mlocate
modemmanager
mousepad
mpv
network-manager
network-manager-gnome
nitrogen
ntfs-3g
ntp
obconf
openbox
p7zip-full
pavucontrol
pciutils
pcmciautils
pnmixer
policykit-1
policykit-1-gnome
pulseaudio
python
python-keybinder
python-notify
python-xdg
qt5-style-plugins
rfkill
ristretto
rsync
rxvt-unicode
scrot
smartmontools
suckless-tools
sudo
synaptic
thunar
thunar-archive-plugin
thunar-gtkhash
thunar-volman
tint2
unar
unrar
unzip
update-inetd
usb-modeswitch
usbutils
user-setup
uuid-runtime
va-driver-all
vdpau-va-driver
wireless-tools
xbindkeys
xcape
xdg-user-dirs
xdg-utils
xfce4-notifyd
xfce4-power-manager
xfsprogs
xinput
xorg
xserver-xorg-input-all
xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
xserver-xorg-input-evdev
xserver-xorg-input-wacom
xserver-xorg-video-all
xserver-xorg-video-intel
xserver-xorg-video-qxl
xsel
xz-utils
yad
zip

johnraff · 2020-07-13 07:38:04

After doing the tint2 stuff, I'll try restoring the man pages, build, and we can see if there's still room to stuff something else in.

johnraff · 2020-07-16 12:19:15

I think this one might be OK.

Size 682MB, man pages included but package docs omitted. (BL helpfiles included.)
Everything seems to be working nicely.
bl-welcome lets you install bunsen-meta-lite.

lithium-rc7-cd-i386.hybrid
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rb-RaV … sp=sharing
sha256: 465e0e83c7d803d612194346dfbe13c0434335a89848c70c70f2f2f987b0358d

Last edited by johnraff (2020-07-19 06:40:12)

johnraff · 2020-07-19 12:12:37

This one has the bl-welcome bugfix:

lithium-rc8-cd-i386.hybrid.iso
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XePqkk … sp=sharing
sha256: 419ddf940b6a4b501f32eb7e4b9e161b23d8984478fc6a5d9c9c6cc05f3ab059

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