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#1 2019-10-28 20:10:42

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S11's Keyboard & Mouse

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linux_user wrote:
Sector11 wrote:

Are you saying "that" like it's a bad thing?

Ah no, It's just that it was a very unorthodox upgrade: from an old square key keyboard, to an ultra 4modern typewriter themed keyboard. But I get it now, it's your wife's pick.

Wife tried it and liked it, I would have picked it just because it is different.  smile
Redragon was going to be bought, just a matter of square or round keys because I was tired of the other  non-mechanical keyboards of less quality.

l_u wrote:

...and the "Enter" key is an inverted L shape two rows, the Q and A rows, high.

I hate that layout, known as the British layout. I prefer the general layout. I am not sure why they had to change the layout, it was English itself and not any other language.

Be careful with your "it was English itself and not any other language" statement because it is not entirely accurate

Obviously a matter of what you are use to.  My first DOS computer - IBM PCjr (US not British) had a large enter key, my old multi-lingual Cdn keyboard used in the '80s and '90s had the large enter key and my old MS Latin America Keyboard, I just retired, has a large Enter key.  I'm use it it and I love it.

l_u wrote:

I have the backlight set on solid - as seen in images, not "flashing, blinking or scrolling.  That I find annoying.  Will be testing with all green soon as it's the easiest for me to see.  Maybe red, although not my favourite colour.  Blue, my favourite colour, is too dark on black keys.  sad

Haha, I prefer just the plain white color with no flashy animations. I had the option of buying and RGB, but I sticked to the plain white backlit. smile

Well as I said, I do not get the options here that other places have.  This keyboard has a LOT od settings, the default is as seen in the images above and "steady".

HOWEVER:

[Fn] + [→] - rotates between the Default Solid 4 colour scheme to 8 different colours, all solid: Red, Orange, Cream, Green, Turquoise, Dark Blue, Purple (can not let my wife see that, her favourite colour), Pink and back to Default 4 Colour - Torquoise is nice.

[Fn] + [↑] or [↓] - 4 level brightness adjustable - 5th [↓] is OFF

Redragon Devarajas K556 Keyboard Manual wrote:

Keyboard BackLighting Modes

Fn + Insert
Fn + Home (Inicio): 1 The trail of lights 2 Breathing 3 Normally On
Fn + PGUP (RePág): 1 Ripple Graff 2 Pass without trace 3 Costal
Fn + Del (Supr): 1 Go with the stream 2 Clouds fly 3 Winding Paths
Fn + END (Fin):    1 Flowers blooming 2  Snow winter jasmine 3 Swift action
Fn + PGDN: 1 Both ways 2 Surmount 3 fast and furiuous

Keyboard Functions

Fn + Win: lock Win and App - repeat to unlock
Fn + TriUP TriDN: 4 level running speed adjustable
Fn + ← : Adjust the backlight running direction
Fn + → ; Adjust the backlighting colour, colouirs switching by cycle
Fn + "↑" "↓": 4level brightness adjustable
Fn + PRTSC (ImpPnt): Restore to defauly as flow mode

Multimedia Keys

Fn+F1 Open the Media Player
Fn+F2 Volume Down
Fn+F3 Volume Up
Fn+F4 Mute
Fn+F5 Stop
Fn+F6 Pre-track
Fn+F7 Play/Pause
Fn+F8 Next Track
Fn+F9 E-mail
Fn+F10 Home
Fn+F11 Calculator
Fn+F12 Sreach

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The Redragon Chroma Mouse Manual wrote:

1 Left Button
2 Right button
3 Wheel | clik for center button
4 Side key (Front): defaulted function: Forward
5 Side Key (Rear): defaulted function: Reverse
6 (Behind Wheel) Front Button: toggles DPI: 1000 2000 3000 5000
- - Transparent lines on the side of the mouse will flash three time to
- - indicate the DPI Setting
- Red = 1000 DPI - slooooow - same as old cheap mouse or S11 walking to the store.
- Blue = 2000 DPI - faster - IN USE!
- Green = 3000 DPI - greased lightning
- Purple = 5000 DPI - Speed of Light - OMG! can't see it!

7 Light mode toggle key: switches between 7 light modes
- 1 colour breathing
- 7 colours breathing
- Static
- Reactive
- Wave
- Go without trace
- OFF


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#2 2019-10-29 01:06:25

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Re: S11's Keyboard & Mouse

Nice keyboard/mouse setup...how well will it work with BL?


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#3 2019-10-29 01:39:49

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Re: S11's Keyboard & Mouse

DeepDayze wrote:

Nice keyboard/mouse setup...how well will it work with BL?

Keyboard BackLighting Modes
- everything works

Keyboard Functions
- everything works

Multimedia Keys
- not tried all yet - see below

Redragon Chroma Mouse
- everything works

I read (maybe at the rtedragon site) that the "configured setup" is stored in the  keyboard/mouse.
So if I plugged it into a Windows machine and configured it the way I want for Linux, it would work in Linux.

All of these work:
2019-10-28_223653_S11.th.jpg

So so far: Extremely happy.

EDIT:  See this

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#4 2019-10-29 07:23:55

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Sector11 wrote:

Be careful with your "it was English itself and not any other language" statement because it is not entirely accurate

Obviously a matter of what you are use to.  My first DOS computer - IBM PCjr (US not British) had a large enter key, my old multi-lingual Cdn keyboard used in the '80s and '90s had the large enter key and my old MS Latin America Keyboard, I just retired, has a large Enter key.  I'm use it it and I love it.

That link doesn't show the UK keyboard layout, it shows everything except the UK layout. But from the UK and US layout on Wikipedia, every key is the almost exactly the same, except for that character that looks like a horizontal line (the first key, on the top left corner, US layout has tilde in that location). That is the only key exclusive to UK (not counting £ as it replaces $ as they are mapped to the same key - 4). The other differences are the location of the physical pipe key and mapping of characters (the #, @, ~). Both keyboards are pretty much the same.

As you said, even older US keyboards had a mirrored L shaped Enter key. I guess that the change is because of 'evolution'. At some point US adopted the single row Enter key while the British stayed with theirs. May be the layout wasn't a broken layout; and why fix something that isn't broken. big_smile

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#5 2019-10-29 08:06:32

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New work keyboards have a small Enter key - I HATE it! Why don't they keep the nice big chunky one so I don't keep hitting # or R-Shift? mad


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#6 2019-10-29 10:34:53

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I just got redragon kumara the other day, set to constant backlight (green of course), but one can go all Disco on it. I do wonder if I can make it so that backcolor is similar to main wallpaper color?
https://brontosaurusrex.github.io/2019/ … on-Kumara/

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#7 2019-11-02 07:53:24

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I bought nationally just to have a proper Enter key on my laptop - and no, I'm not English - it's a Scandinavian layout. And a German layout. And, AFAICS, almost everything except US American...

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#8 2019-11-02 10:06:36

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Re: S11's Keyboard & Mouse

damo wrote:

New work keyboards have a small Enter key - I HATE it!

This, and when they put Fn key left from Ctrl.

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#9 2019-11-02 12:34:14

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nore wrote:

...and when they put Fn key left from Ctrl.

Don't say that... yikes
Honestly, that's a much better place for the CTRL key cos you don't have to stretch your pinky to reach the far corner. Just drop it down and there it is, the ctrl key. The fact is, we are all used to the ctrl key at the edge of the keyboard that we hate the swap. Use it like that for a few weeks and you'll rewiring your muscle memory. You'll be doing your pinky a favor infact.


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#10 2019-11-02 13:08:35

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Re: S11's Keyboard & Mouse

Different strokes for different folks.
My old MS International Keyboard Pro was a "latam" layout.
Somewhere over the years they dropped that for the "Español" layout. Which is a little different.  I remember people complaining as they lost some "Brasilian"  Portuguese functions.

Well my new one is a Spanish Layout keyboard configured to "latam" and works as i am use to.  Typos and all.  And like damo: I love my fat "Enter" key, it also makes room for keys that a US Layout just does not have.  smile


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#11 2019-11-02 13:17:04

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Re: S11's Keyboard & Mouse

brontosaurusrex wrote:

I just got redragon kumara the other day, set to constant backlight (green of course), but one can go all Disco on it.

Turned the lights off and played with that.  Not a clue how people could possibly type with all that action going one.  Wife likened it to Christmas tree lights.  big_smile

B-rex wrote:

I do wonder if I can make it so that backcolor is similar to main wallpaper color?
https://brontosaurusrex.github.io/2019/ … on-Kumara/

Hahahaha I sure if anyone can, you are the guy.


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#12 2019-11-02 16:55:49

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You have a much fancier keyboard and mouse than I do.

Here is my mouse (my model is 5 years old now) and here is my keyboard (it has backlit keys!). I've played with getting an old cherry external keyboard though...


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#13 2019-11-02 22:18:49

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nore wrote:

when they put Fn key left from Ctrl.

I have that on my newly purchased laptop - it's actually exactly the same as twoion's image up there.
And would you believe it, the BIOS has an option to swap Fn and Ctrl keys... now if it also had an option to swap the labels on the keys... smile

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#14 2019-11-03 03:37:13

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ohnonot wrote:
nore wrote:

when they put Fn key left from Ctrl.

I have that on my newly purchased laptop - it's actually exactly the same as twoion's image up there.
And would you believe it, the BIOS has an option to swap Fn and Ctrl keys... now if it also had an option to swap the labels on the keys... smile

Now that would be neat trick:
Bios: swap Fn / Ctrl ~ commands | keys.  smile


My Fn and Ctrl keys are identical in size so I could just swap them.  But I'm use to them and they have the "Menu" key between them

This is turning into a nice thread.  smile


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#15 2019-11-03 08:01:35

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Re: S11's Keyboard & Mouse

Sector11,ohnonot wrote:

swap Fn and Ctrl

Yes, if it was your own kb or you are running *nix...

linux_user wrote:

rewiring your muscle memory

...but at work, I have to use at least four different types of laptops, plus standard external keyboards, on Windows 7 & 10. In a mixed and fixed environment there is no way of retraining  muscle memory, when even A-Z keys vary in size and placement.

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#16 2019-11-03 08:31:24

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nore wrote:

...but at work, I have to use at least four different types of laptops, plus standard external keyboards, on Windows 7 & 10.

Ouch.
Come to think of it, my cheapo mechanical keyboard has the Fn key to the right of the right Alt key. That seems to actively resist muscle memory.
I'm just going to have to live with it - two keyboards, that's not so bad - but 4+...

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#17 2019-11-03 08:49:29

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twoion wrote:

...and here is my keyboard (it has backlit keys!). I've played with getting an old cherry external keyboard though...

They actually sell usb (and bluetooth, at double the price) versions of that Think keyboard now, though they only have the US layout where I live.

....and keyboard backlights are fun. Muck about with Dunst and some Bash, and you'll get flashy disco shit every time you get notifications.

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#18 2019-11-03 08:51:18

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ohnonot wrote:

ouch

Ouch indeed. It even affects my conventional key combinations at home: I guess eventually I have to start switching my desktops in Windows 10 manner with Ctrl+Super instead of Ctrl+Alt. At work, I end up  tilting my screen; at home, I frustatedly hit various keys thrice before completing action.

At home, I have Fn to the right froms AltGr too. It's not the worst place for it. Ideal would be in top row with function keys, or anywhere far from my fingers. I only use it when adjusting keyboard backlight.

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#19 2019-11-03 08:56:01

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Sector11 wrote:

This is turning into a nice thread.

It's obviously time to show some care for BL Keyboard discussion thread too!

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#20 2019-11-03 12:17:28

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glittersloth wrote:

Muck about with Dunst and some Bash, and you'll get flashy disco shit every time you get notifications.

a. Do we have an example?

b. I haven't actually bothered to change the layout from my old one, so that might be a problem but FN+something combos are not returning any kind of system event (xev, xinput). < That would be a road to quick hack btw.

c. I have also read someplace that FN is actually system agnostic (whatever that  means).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fn_key wrote:

...the operating system has no notion of the Fn key, the key can not normally be remapped in software, unlike all other standard keyboard keys.

d. So for any programmable action I assume some sort of keyboard specific 'driver' is needed? The kind that is not FN-key specific.

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#21 2019-11-03 14:56:46

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Re: S11's Keyboard & Mouse

I like how this thread went from "Sector11's Keyboard" to "Everyone's Keyboard" to "A Day in the Life of Nore" to "The Juju behind Fn Keys". Good job, peeps.


brontosaurusrex wrote:
glittersloth wrote:

Muck about with Dunst and some Bash, and you'll get flashy disco shit every time you get notifications.

a. Do we have an example?

https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comme … backlight/


brontosaurusrex wrote:

c. I have also read someplace that FN is actually system agnostic (whatever that  means).

I think Fn keys are handled by the BIOS, or maybe Embedded Controller, although the OS does make some interpretation of what the Fn key combos do. For example, the little graphic I see on my laptop whenever I apply Fn+Esc for FnLock or Fn+Space for kb-backlight is different on Windows and Linux. If it were exclusively handled by the BIOS/EC with no relay to the running OS, the graphic would've been exactly the same, right? At least that's my understanding channeled via my Doge-like "I have no idea what I'm even talking about" pseudo-confidence.

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#22 2019-11-03 15:55:20

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Mkay, this will make capslock blink

xset led on; sleep 1; xset led off

and not getting any further, possibly due to missing definitions in /sys/class/leds

input1::capslock  input1::compose  input1::kana  input1::numlock  input1::scrolllock

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