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#1 2019-06-07 01:06:54

pamir
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Does Bunsenlabs folllow the Free GNU/Linux distribution guidelines?

This webpage defines the GNU rules for truely free linux distributions.

http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html

I can see spying tools like google, flash, which spy are optional already.

The websites is down to the user choice, where flash is a program.

Does Bunsenlabs have any known grey areas, or does Debian at the heart have an overlap like Ubuntu into releasing user data to a server?

Ubuntu has the Amazon connection in meta data.

Can Bunsenlabs be considered are truely Stallman concept?

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#2 2019-06-07 01:20:41

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Re: Does Bunsenlabs folllow the Free GNU/Linux distribution guidelines?

pamir wrote:

Does Bunsenlabs folllow the Free GNU/Linux distribution guidelines? This webpage defines the GNU rules for truly free linux distributions.

http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html

No. We take full advantage of Debian's stable contrib and non-free repositories, we use those to include video and audio codecs and WiFi drivers (for example) that the distros in your link will never include. We are not a "purist" derivative, we strive to be a practical one instead.

Does Bunsenlabs have any known grey areas, or does Debian at the heart have an overlap like Ubuntu into releasing user data to a server?

Ubuntu has the Amazon connection in meta data.

Bunsenlabs shouldn't have that, please report the issue if you find it. We are based on Debian stable, not Ubuntu sid. Our packages are compatible sometimes, but direct install is not recommended, but rather backporting...

https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=58

Can Bunsenlabs be considered -edit- to be a /edit truly Stallman concept?

No. We are basically giving the foot-callus chewing freak the finger. Personally, even though I see his point, I hate his GNU/Linux crusade. If he had just said Linux/GNU, Linus might have considered it.

Every beginner helped, every practical shortcut taken, the oldest piece of hardware you have, the better. We want to make Debian work for you. I was done with Linux elitism after a week with it, back when I was installing Feisty Fawn onto an XP virtual disc via Wubi. Never again. Never! No elitism.

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#3 2019-06-07 02:15:42

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Re: Does Bunsenlabs folllow the Free GNU/Linux distribution guidelines?

hhh wrote:

We are basically giving the foot-callus chewing freak the finger.

Don't presume to speak for the whole team when it comes to personal attacks. I have the highest respect for RMS, what he's done for us and what he's trying to do. His take on privacy, for example is spot-on IMO. eg: http://magazine.factor-tech.com/factor_ … of_privacy Without privacy, there can be no whistleblowers. (See what's already been achieved in China.) His personal website also has some good stuff. eg https://stallman.org/uber.html

But at the same time I don't choose to follow all his advice, nor want to insist that BunsenLabs users do so. The original CrunchBang developer, Philip Newborough, had a very pragmatic attitude to getting things to work, even if it sometimes meant having to use non-free drivers or codecs. BunsenLabs inherits that approach, but does not ship any non-free software except what is available from the Debian non-free repository. Our own packages are all open-source, and can be inspected: https://github.com/BunsenLabs We certainly don't introduce any kind of data-sharing.

So no, BunsenLabs (like the vast majority of Linux distributions) would not qualify as 100% Stallman-compatible, although by uninstalling all the non-free software it would be possible to make it so. (The package vrms will help.) However, there is a good chance that your hardware would stop working as a result. roll


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#4 2019-06-07 04:16:04

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Re: Does Bunsenlabs folllow the Free GNU/Linux distribution guidelines?

johnraff wrote:
hhh wrote:

We are basically giving the foot-callus chewing freak the finger.

Don't presume to speak for the whole team when it comes to personal attacks.

A cheap shot, to be sure. Sorry for that.

I like him in his MIT days, I don't hold Stallman in such high regard after that.

Everyone's a critic, right?

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#5 2019-06-07 04:27:08

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Re: Does Bunsenlabs folllow the Free GNU/Linux distribution guidelines?

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#6 2019-06-11 14:13:24

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Re: Does Bunsenlabs folllow the Free GNU/Linux distribution guidelines?

hhh wrote:

No. We are basically giving the foot-callus chewing freak the finger. Personally, even though I see his point, I hate his GNU/Linux crusade. If he had just said Linux/GNU, Linus might have considered it.

elitism.

Lol, Nice one. foot-callus chewing, LOL.

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#7 2019-06-12 07:28:49

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Re: Does Bunsenlabs folllow the Free GNU/Linux distribution guidelines?

It was a cheap shot, I'm not proud of that comment. That video is something, though.

Moving this thread to BL General Discussion, because it's gross. Mea culpa.

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#8 2019-06-12 07:56:19

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Re: Does Bunsenlabs folllow the Free GNU/Linux distribution guidelines?

Just to put things into context:
According to RMS, Debian is not completely free, either.
...so how could BL be?

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#9 2019-06-12 08:17:14

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Re: Does Bunsenlabs folllow the Free GNU/Linux distribution guidelines?

Debian wrote:

Debian is the only common non-endorsed distribution to keep nonfree blobs out of its main distribution. However, the problem partly remains. The nonfree firmware files live in Debian's nonfree repository, which is referenced in the documentation on debian.org, and the installer in some cases recommends them for the peripherals on the machine.

Debian's wiki includes pages about installing nonfree firmware.

Instead of this nonfree distribution, use one of the free distros which are made from it: gNewSense, and PureOS.

http://www.gnewsense.org/

https://www.pureos.net/

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