When will Linux be ready for mass adoption?

BLizgreat! · 2019-02-09 18:05:05

This further devolved into a systemd discussion? Wth? Ironically think moves like systemd are in ways aimed at exactly what you're supposed to be championing in this thread. Getting gnu/nix more consistent, thus ready for the masses.

Also personally somewhat understand, corps like Redhat volunteer untold man hours annually( has to total out to being a huge sum of money.) The people who pay for full time kernel developers and other major upstream projects. Of course they are going to want to see their interests are taken care of and have agendas.

Make choices, somebody will and it has to be done at some point anyway. While of course these may not be warmly received by the users. Which let's face it that's what the overwhelming majority of us are. People using something awesome, other people created and yet others continue to develop and maintain.

While not having contributed a single line of worthwhile code (and couldn't), nor much of anything else to any of it. Yet still think apparently we know best, any/all our desires or even whims given priority and every decision cleared through-by us. Wake up and smell reality. That's not how it is and thank the gawds for the sake of gnu/Linux it's not.

Some developer/s haven't created a free backup utility that meets my every criteria, therefor the platform isn't ready. I haven't figured out how to do xyz, because some highly gifted tech people have developed and implemented something I don't agree with on behalf of an organization which has contributed more to open source, than I ever could in a 100yrs, thus the world is ended.

Imo that's an integral part of being a nixer. If you want something, you research, learn and experiment until it's figured out. Not sit around whining n griping others haven't made it simple for you, thus again it's not ready.

One of the reasons I do respect folks like Hoas. When he wants something techie, tends to do his homework and get it figured out. Sheesh that would be more productive. Join Debian forum and send him a pm. He very well may point you in the right direction. Though Hoas from all I've seen is a fairly vocal systemd supporter and I like it too, shrugs. Just cause someone hasn't posted (or you haven't found yet) an easy step by step for you to follow, to do something you want, doesn't mean it's over complicated and intentionally by techno snobs. Think it means you have work to do.

BLizgreat! · 2019-02-09 18:22:49

Also the group hug offer stands. Not mad at anybody.

ohnonot · 2019-02-09 19:57:35

BLizgreat! wrote:

Also the group hug offer stands. Not mad at anybody.

I also want a TV in my belly!

BLizgreat! · 2019-02-09 20:09:34

^Lmao, that's what I'm taking about.

brontosaurusrex · 2019-02-10 00:58:43

Hm, Dispy definitely doesn't look right, should be green. Laa-Laa, Po, and Tinky Winky do look fine imho.

Bearded_Blunder · 2019-02-10 05:54:28

This further devolved into a systemd discussion?

If S7.L hadn't introduced the subject I wouldn't have been reminded & gone back to that comment regarding init, it's completely unrelated to the backup issue, well almost unrelated, init=/bin/bash would pretty much give you a quiet enough file system to back it up live. Not that helpful for continuing your work at the same time though.

At no point have I said Linux isn't ready for *me* to use, only that it's not ready to recommend to an average PC user, the learning curve is a little too steep for getting ongoing live backups running *for them*. Everyone seems to think I have an issue over it or can't be bothered to sort my own strategy out. Not the case. Having looked at it though, it's too complex for me to recommend the platform to others is all.

I see nothing wrong with wishing it had reached the point I could recommend it.

BLizgreat! · 2019-02-10 06:31:20

Hey don't miss out on the group hug!

Bearded_Blunder · 2019-02-10 06:33:21

Hugs make me uncomfortable, if it's all the same & nobody's offended, I'd really rather give it a miss.

S7.L · 2019-02-10 11:00:54

Bearded_Blunder wrote:

This further devolved into a systemd discussion?
If S7.L hadn't introduced the subject I wouldn't have been reminded & gone back to that comment regarding init, it's completely unrelated to the backup issue, well almost unrelated, init=/bin/bash would pretty much give you a quiet enough file system to back it up live. Not that helpful for continuing your work at the same time though.

Re-introduce perhaps, i didnt realise @nobody posted the same video i did!

https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic … 039#p82039

Anyhow its worth a watch, it doesn't bash systemd, its rather a constructive criticism with many points saying to those who dont like it to at least take something away from it and learn from it as it is a complex piece of software that is in heavy use throughout the linux world.

Bearded_Blunder · 2019-02-10 11:25:57

I have watched as it goes, & no amount of persuasion, presentations, arguments etc. are going to cause me to like it, any more than they'll make me like avacados (taste like soap), & don't care if the chef did spend many hours carving them into sailing ships, or how dedicated & talented he's alleged to be, avacados are still nasty & so is systemd. There's no philosophical argument involved, it arrived with Jessie, caused me more hassle in the first month using it than I'll save in faster boot times in the entire rest of my life, it simply grates on me every time I have to interact with it now, technical merits or otherwise aside.

S7.L · 2019-02-10 11:34:02

I dont believe that was the aim of the video to make people like it, after all the person speaking is a freebsd advocate. There are some clever componants to systemd as was mentioned in the video, pretty much take the good with the bad so to speak, some think it is all bad and most think it is all good to a point, it's not great of course.... i was called out for that yesterday, never call something great or try to make great again...lol

Who is this chef you speak of who can make sailing ships from avacados?

Bearded_Blunder · 2019-02-10 11:47:53

I'm sure systemd has good points, I'm sure there were good points to Windows ME, I hated that too.

S7.L · 2019-02-10 12:03:01

Im no fan of systemd either, i mostly use artix linux with openrc, systemd as init for a simple personal home desktop is a bit overkill imo. But in the scheme of things with mass adoption of something like windows or mac you have these software suites like journald and svchost, that is part of how linux will be ready for mass adoption, when systemd has taken total control of gnu/linux with the big players like debian, fedora etc, i suppose that is a good reason to dislike it. But there are a lot of good people behind the scenes working on making sure linux doesn't get gobbled up by systemd and that is where the good of systemd needs to be looked at moving into the future i believe. You never know, in 10 years time we all maybe using completely different init systems, there is always some clever clogs out there working hard to make something ingenious and keeping it hidden from the world until the right time comes along.

Bearded_Blunder · 2019-02-10 12:21:31

Could have called it ready with Debian Wheezy for most folks, apps have gotten more polished since but convenient disaster recovery options aside, the rest was pretty functional. So the stuff systemd glommed all together was done by separate things Debian did a good job hooking those things up. Your average non geek wouldn't know the difference between it had one init or the other, you don't see it till you try to tweak stuff they wouldn't be trying to tweak.

damo · 2019-02-10 12:53:31

Well we know where people stand on [init system of choice], so can we quit the tedious repetition now?

TGN beckons....

glittersloth · 2019-02-10 13:03:24

Well, I've heard sex still sells.

Paris Hilton Linux - So Easy, Anyone Can Use Her

Let's try that to test market penetration. Heck, even if it fails, it'd be much cheaper than IBM's epic failure back in that Superbowl.

S7.L · 2019-02-10 13:15:13

^ dont you mean Kardashian linux, the big ass end of linux, more bloat than you can twerk too!

Paris hilton linux would be so yesterday, like tiny core linux..... lmfao!

glittersloth · 2019-02-10 13:26:03

^ well, whatever's big now, I suppose.
It's been years since I turned on the TV to watch anything other than news or sport.

S7.L · 2019-02-10 13:32:47

^ yeah i know what you mean, im just being facetious. I generally detest tv and there is only a few shows ill watch, old reruns of mash are my fave. Used to be into the motorsport but couldnt be bothered anymore, indy cars were my fave but they no longer show them on free to air where i am.

Hipparkhia · 2019-02-10 13:35:22

Bearded_Blunder wrote:

At no point have I said Linux isn't ready for *me* to use, only that it's not ready to recommend to an average PC user, the learning curve is a little too steep for getting ongoing live backups running *for them*. Everyone seems to think I have an issue over it or can't be bothered to sort my own strategy out. Not the case. Having looked at it though, it's too complex for me to recommend the platform to others is all.

But what makes you think the "average PC user" wants or needs ongoing live backups? Such things may be available on Windows and for all I know they might be easy to set up but I don't know any average PC user who uses them. i never have, on Windows or Linux, and I can't say the issue is one I've even thought about when deciding which operating system to use. I can understand that ongoing live backups have their uses in certain situations but why should I bother at home? I'm not a geek, I don't work in IT, I'm not responsible for anybody else's work - all I want to backup is personal stuff and some configuration files and I can do that manually now and again. Ongoing live backups are not a factor for me and I find it hard to believe they would be a factor for most users - so this seems a quite strange argument when discussing mass adoption.

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