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#1 2018-09-17 21:57:59

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Linus is sorry for being a jerk.

He's going to get help to work on his "empathy" skills. I love the guy, personally. EFF YOU NVIDIA! That put a fire under nVidia's ass and things are better now, unless I'm mistaken.

Anyway, here it is...

https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/9/16/167

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#2 2018-09-17 22:01:37

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Re: Linus is sorry for being a jerk.

^

Linus Torvalds wrote:

Maybe I can get an email filter in place so that when I send email with curse-words, they just won't go out.

I'm crying, he is flipping hysterical.

@ohnonot, you know what to do.

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#3 2018-09-18 06:15:28

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Re: Linus is sorry for being a jerk.

Linus is a legend and he is probably a perfectionist.  I get his mindset ...


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#4 2018-09-18 06:52:43

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Re: Linus is sorry for being a jerk.

Why not just blame the parents like everyone else? He could just take some lines from kernel changelog, for example:

Iterate over parent nodes for finding quirks

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#5 2018-09-18 15:29:42

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Re: Linus is sorry for being a jerk.

This is the consequence of a never ceasing, bullshit SJW siege of highly competent people in key tech positions.

Linus' verbal attacts were never ad hominem, they are directed at the abstract persona who wrote shitty code and submitted it.

He does not say 'you people' who wrote code are incompetent airheads, he's saying that 'people' who write shitty code in general are incompetent jerks, because they should have known better as there are literally millions of lines of prior art code in the kernel, millions of lines of discussion on LKML and millions of git commits and patch sets plus comments freely available, and there're people to get feedback from first.

If you make a stupid mistake or have a stupid idea nevertheless, you suck it up, get better from it and solider on.

If your boss pays you to create shit nobody wants, you continue creating that shit or get another job.

If you're a special snowflake who provokes rejective reactions because you submit gargabe, it's your cross to bear and only your fault. There's literally an army of smart people just standing by to congratulate you millionfold if you submit excellent work.

Instead you spin up some meta discussion about phrasing instead of fixing your code? Linux is running on medical equipment, phones people need to call 911 with, cars, aircraft, hazardous industrial plants, and probably a toilet somewhere. Feelings don't matter there.

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#6 2018-09-18 18:23:51

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Re: Linus is sorry for being a jerk.

Linus is the "guardian" of Linux and he wants it to continue to grow and and be the code that powers mission critical systems. When he has a problem with some piece of code submitted he makes it crystal clear why it's unacceptable. It's his way to criticize bad code yet he will be happy with well written code.

In one word: Perfectionism.


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#7 2018-09-18 19:38:54

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Re: Linus is sorry for being a jerk.

I'd be willing to bet that with zero feelings or hugs being exchanged Linus and Theo would get along just fine.

Perfectionists. Nothing wrong with that and people need to stop whining.


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#8 2018-09-19 02:16:56

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Re: Linus is sorry for being a jerk.

earlybird wrote:

... bullshit SJW siege...

The slave/master outrage is truly WTF material.

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#9 2018-09-19 04:57:49

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Re: Linus is sorry for being a jerk.

hhh wrote:

He's going to get help to work on his "empathy" skills. I love the guy, personally. EFF YOU NVIDIA! That put a fire under nVidia's ass and things are better now, unless I'm mistaken.

Anyway, here it is...

https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/9/16/167

code of conduct? blergh, i've hated these ever since i realised that google & ubuntu use them to exploit volunteers.

oh and just in case you were wondering:

This is not some kind of "I'm burnt out, I need to just go away"
break.  I'm not feeling like I don't want to continue maintaining
Linux. Quite the reverse.  I very much do want to continue to do
this project that I've been working on for almost three decades.

This is more like the time I got out of kernel development for a while
because I needed to write a little tool called "git".  I need to take
a break to get help on how to behave differently and fix some issues
in my tooling and workflow.

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hhh wrote:

^

Linus Torvalds wrote:

Maybe I can get an email filter in place so that when I send email with curse-words, they just won't go out.

I'm crying, he is flipping hysterical.

@ohnonot, you know what to do.

indeed.
i will gladly make an exception for this hysterical historical moment.
i will fix the typo, and maybe add the next sentence also:

Maybe I can get an email filter in place so at when I send email with curse-words, they just won't go out.
Because hey, I'm a big believer in tools, and at least some problems going forward might be improved with simple automation.

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@twoion, you're probably right, too.
contact him and tell him that.
i'm not joking.
he might be loosing touch because linux is just growing and growing, mainstream interest, big money, etc.

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#10 2018-09-19 08:16:43

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Re: Linus is sorry for being a jerk.

inb4 they rename it to the Hallmark Channel Kernel.

Meh... at least we still have Theo.

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#11 2018-09-19 16:17:28

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Re: Linus is sorry for being a jerk.

glittersloth wrote:

Hallmark Channel Kernel

We could refer to Linus as "The Good Witch". I mean, he's no Catherine Bell, but still...

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#12 2018-09-19 20:53:10

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Re: Linus is sorry for being a jerk.

hhh wrote:
glittersloth wrote:

Hallmark Channel Kernel

We could refer to Linus as "The Good Witch". I mean, he's no Catherine Bell, but still...

Lol. Will we see a kinder gentler reboot of Linus? Maybe!


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#13 2018-09-20 13:34:18

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Re: Linus is sorry for being a jerk.


"Voilà! In view, a humble vaudevillian veteran, cast vicariously as both victim and villain by the vicissitudes of Fate."...Voilà!

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#14 2018-09-22 19:46:04

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Re: Linus is sorry for being a jerk.

ohnonot wrote:

code of conduct? blergh, i've hated these ever since i realised that google & ubuntu use them to exploit volunteers.

oh, but the world has moved on since i averted my eyes frome these CoCs!
keywords: SJW, that unspeakable community of everything that's not clearly male or female heterosexual... suddenly they claim to own FOSS? Calling in "Post-meritocracy"?
(commits from members of minorities will be prioritised from now on, if they had their way)

and there's one person in particular that i learned to hate after a long afternoon reading reddit & clicking links:
https://mobile.twitter.com/CoralineAda/ … 9746643968
https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941
and lastly
https://www.contributor-covenant.org/ve … nduct.html
and of course endless r/linuxmasterrace and r/linux threads.

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#15 2018-09-22 19:55:04

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Re: Linus is sorry for being a jerk.

Can someone tell me what a SJW is please?


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#16 2018-09-22 21:10:26

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Re: Linus is sorry for being a jerk.

Social Justice Warrior.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice_warrior

slave/master is insulting to a micro-aggression against those whose ancestors were enslaved and/or those who practice bondage. You've invaded my safe-space! REEEEEE!!!!!

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#17 2018-09-22 21:12:44

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Re: Linus is sorry for being a jerk.

hhh wrote:

Social Justice Warrior.

Ah those.  The "your opinion doesn't agree with mine so I shall label you something you are not" people. Or the "Hurt Feelings Brigade" as I like to call them in places I can't swear.


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#18 2018-09-22 21:16:12

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That'd be them. The highest ranking members are black female transgender Jewish paraplegic furries.

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#19 2018-09-22 21:21:26

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Re: Linus is sorry for being a jerk.

hhh wrote:

The highest ranking members are black female transgender Jewish paraplegic furries.

There are some truly incredibly idiotic people out there.


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#20 2018-09-22 21:26:13

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Re: Linus is sorry for being a jerk.

Dobbie03 wrote:
hhh wrote:

The highest ranking members are black female transgender Jewish paraplegic furries.

There are some truly incredibly idiotic people out there.

And, in the other corner...

https://www.reddit.com/r/beholdthemasterrace/

-edit- Moving to OT.

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#21 2018-09-22 21:48:07

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Re: Linus is sorry for being a jerk.

Bloody hell.  Dropkick central.


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#22 2018-09-22 22:14:38

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Re: Linus is sorry for being a jerk.

To be fair, I don't think online criticism of those developers who act like no-social-skills-having misogynistic assholes when they're at work or at conventions is the wrong move at all. But this, this is people with too much time on their hands.

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#23 2018-09-23 00:01:40

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Re: Linus is sorry for being a jerk.

hhh wrote:

To be fair, I don't think online criticism of those developers who act like no-social-skills-having misogynistic assholes when they're at work or at conventions is the wrong move at all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

I don't use twitter. Is that person having a conversation with herself, or is it a filtered view of some sort?

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#24 2018-09-23 02:03:01

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Re: Linus is sorry for being a jerk.

Most of her posts have one comment. I don't want to log in and see that it's her commenting. Cover me, I'm going in...

I don't see any responses, just likes and a few retweets. Maybe I'm using The Twitter wrong. GET OFF MY LAWN!!!

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#25 2018-09-23 05:18:36

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Re: Linus is sorry for being a jerk.

Coraline was having a bad 13/08. Me thinks Coraline is a few sandwiches short of a picnic, wow.


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