Enlightenment

unklar · 2024-01-14 08:59:22

johnraff wrote:

hhh wrote:
...still too many legacy apps that are great but don't work well on Wayland.
Is it up to the apps to cope, or will wayland eventually support them?

I think it's up to the applications.

PackRat · 2024-01-14 10:25:35

unklar wrote:

johnraff wrote:
hhh wrote:
...still too many legacy apps that are great but don't work well on Wayland.
Is it up to the apps to cope, or will wayland eventually support them?
I think it's up to the applications.

That's correct. The application has to code for wayland.

hhh · 2024-01-14 13:05:24

johnraff wrote:

hhh wrote:
...still too many legacy apps that are great but don't work well on Wayland.
Is it up to the apps to cope, or will wayland eventually support them?

As far as I can tell, it's up to the app devs. Wayland provides XWayland as a "plugin" and says "deal with it".

https://wayland.freedesktop.org/faq.html

johnraff · 2024-01-15 03:00:38

So it's probably safe to say that some of our favourite apps will never work on Wayland. Can't be helped. XWayland will be around for the few that people can't live without, but it would be cludgy to be relying on that for a Wayland-based Bunsenlabs IMO.

There will likely be a major clearout at Wayland Time. Think of all those nice little "x" utilities for operating on windows or the clipboard...

BL might be somewhat lean, but its underlying base ought to be solid and up to date. As far as a Debian Stable base can be.

hhh · 2024-01-15 08:42:06

^ Any command line tool with x at the start is useless. You cannot xkill a window on Wayland.

Colonel Panic · 2024-01-15 20:59:35

PackRat wrote:

Colonel Panic wrote:
If you want to use Enlightenment, you're probably better off just downloading Bodhi instead.
That's true.
For BL, going with labwc would be the route to go - https://labwc.github.io/index.html
Stable and highly compatible with openbox. User can basically drop in their existing configs. It's currently available in Sid repos.
@malm is the main developer; don't know if he still comes to this forum.

I don't know about labwc, but the current version of enlightenment has as an option one of my favourite features; "thumbnail" preview windows on the taskbar, similar to the ones Windows 11 apparently has.

Fvwm used to be able to display something very similar, especially on variants such as fvwm-nightshade which however hasn't been updated since about 2016.

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PackRat · 2024-01-16 00:40:37

Colonel Panic wrote:

Fvwm used to be able to display something very similar, especially on variants such as fvwm-nightshade which however hasn't been updated since about 2016.

Fvwm can still do that; you just need to code the function which is what fvwm-nightshade did. Same with fvwm-crystal.

Last time I was on the Fvwm forum, Thomas Adam (Fvwm dev) made this comment:

As for fvwm dying a silent death… well, I’m still “working” on it in the sense that people keep finding bugs and logging them in Github , but I am trying to write a compositor for Wayland which mimics fvwm.

I have no idea if he's made any progress on that; but an fvwm-wayland would be nice.

Colonel Panic · 2024-01-16 19:58:37

Thanks for replying. I haven't been on the fvwm forum in ages but from what I recall, Thomas's code minimised windows by shrinking them down to smaller windows on the desktop itself rather than on the taskbar. Nothing wrong with that; it's what Windows 3 used to do, after all.

Someone called Pierre Merchandet used to have a couple of fvwm configurations that also did this (minimising to the desktop), probably by using Thomas's code unless he wrote it independently. Although these config files only worked intermittently when I tried them (maybe I installed them wrongly), it was great to see windows minimising in slow motion and winding up as smaller versions of themselves.

I also haven't used fvwm-crystal for a while. I used it in ArchBang about ten years ago and it worked well even with only 512 MB of RAM to work within, but I tried it a couple of times more recently and both times the automatic menu generator failed so I was left trying to launch applications by typing their names into terminal, which was a bit pointless.

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Colonel Panic · 2024-01-16 20:17:28

There are a couple of other distros that use Enlightenment as their main desktop manager. One is ELive, a Debian-based distro which requires a donation before you can download the 64-bit version.

https://www.elivecd.org/download/beta/

The other one is AV, a multimedia ("studio" distro based on MX;

http://www.bandshed.net/2024/01/14/av-l … -released/

At 5.2 GB the ISO is too big to fit on a DVD though.

hhh · 2024-01-16 20:32:17

Install BunsenLabs Boron...

https://sourceforge.net/projects/bunsen … o/download

sudo apt install enlightenment

https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/enlightenment

PackRat · 2024-01-16 21:53:42

hhh wrote:

Install BunsenLabs Boron...
https://sourceforge.net/projects/bunsen … o/download
sudo apt install enlightenment
https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/enlightenment

Since libwayland-client and libwayland-server are both dependencies, it should run in Wayalnd or X.

I may give that a go later .....

hhh · 2024-01-17 03:03:13

Screw it, I'll try it on my Ubuntu box.

sudo apt install enlightenment
[sudo] password for rachel: 
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
The following additional packages will be installed:
  acpid enlightenment-data fprintd libddcutil4 libecore-audio1 libecore-bin libecore-con1
  libecore-drm2-1 libecore-evas1 libecore-fb1 libecore-file1 libecore-imf1 libecore-input1
  libecore-ipc1 libecore-wl2-1 libecore-x1 libecore1 libector1 libedje-bin libedje1
  libeet1 libeeze1 libefreet-bin libefreet1a libeina1a libeio1 libelementary-bin
  libelementary-data libelementary1 libelput1 libembryo-bin libembryo1 libemile1
  libemotion1 libethumb-client-bin libethumb-client1 libethumb1 libevas-loaders libevas1
  libevas1-engines-drm libevas1-engines-fb libevas1-engines-wayland libevas1-engines-x
  libfprint-2-2 libfprint-2-tod1 libpam-fprintd libscim8v5
Suggested packages:
  gdb
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  acpid enlightenment enlightenment-data fprintd libddcutil4 libecore-audio1 libecore-bin
  libecore-con1 libecore-drm2-1 libecore-evas1 libecore-fb1 libecore-file1 libecore-imf1
  libecore-input1 libecore-ipc1 libecore-wl2-1 libecore-x1 libecore1 libector1 libedje-bin
  libedje1 libeet1 libeeze1 libefreet-bin libefreet1a libeina1a libeio1 libelementary-bin
  libelementary-data libelementary1 libelput1 libembryo-bin libembryo1 libemile1
  libemotion1 libethumb-client-bin libethumb-client1 libethumb1 libevas-loaders libevas1
  libevas1-engines-drm libevas1-engines-fb libevas1-engines-wayland libevas1-engines-x
  libfprint-2-2 libfprint-2-tod1 libpam-fprintd libscim8v5
0 upgraded, 48 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 434 MB of archives.
After this operation, 489 MB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n]

Y, what the hell.

hhh · 2024-01-17 03:18:14

Very pretty, but I couldn't figure out how to do anything. Like, open Thunar and click on a folder, nothing. Take a scrot and try to upload it to Imgur, click the field, nothing.

Uninstalling. I don't want to struggle to use a desktop.

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  Package:                      Version:                                             Size:  
  enlightenment                 0.25.4-2                                           11.8 MB  
                                                                                            
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 Disk space to free  487.7 MB   
                                
Do you want to continue? [Y/n]

Y

hhh · 2024-01-17 03:23:58

48 installed, 44 removed. Guess I have some new lib packages.

johnraff · 2024-01-17 04:13:14

^That always seems to happen, even if you run 'sudo apt autoremove' afterwards. Recommends of some other packages that were previously installed --no-install-recommends?

hhh · 2024-01-17 04:33:21

Meh, four new libraries isn't hurting anything. Changing my username from rachel to rachael on the other hand... searching for Sector11 as I type. I might fly to Argentina. Never change your desktop username.

rbh · 2024-01-17 08:02:59

hhh wrote:

Very pretty, but I couldn't figure out how to do anything. Like, open Thunar and click on a folder, nothing.

Yeah, like when I many years ago installed blackbox. Was glad when i found #! and got sensible config files.
About Enligtment, I think it would be possible to boot live Elive and copy users configfiles...
I did a search on github.com but could not find dotfile repo for Enlightment.

PackRat · 2024-01-17 11:07:14

rbh wrote:

hhh wrote:
Very pretty, but I couldn't figure out how to do anything. Like, open Thunar and click on a folder, nothing.
Yeah, like when I many years ago installed blackbox. Was glad when i found #! and got sensible config files.
About Enligtment, I think it would be possible to boot live Elive and copy users configfiles...
I did a search on github.com but could not find dotfile repo for Enlightment.

Check the version of enlightenment; they are not entirely backwards compatible.

@hhh - your right; enlightenment takes some getting used to.

hhh · 2024-01-17 17:46:54

@PackRat, thanks for confirming my idiocy. I'll sleep well tonight.

Colonel Panic · 2024-01-17 22:55:42

I've not been keeping up with the debate re XOrg / Wayland and probably couldn't understand a lot of it anyway, but the gist of what I've seen on the subject is that XOrg has essentially passed its sell-by date and can't realistically bee kept going for much longer. Some replacement has to be found and soon, and it seems that the powers that be in the tech world have decided that Wayland is the one.

If it were my choice though I'd like to see the two run side by side with each other so that we can choose between them, just as we can with systemd and SysInit, Open RC etc. today.

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