Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

Head_on_a_Stick · 2017-11-18 22:40:12

BLizgreat! wrote:

it's clear to me you don't have the knowledge/experience to have a valid opinion

Hmmm, OK, perhaps this thread will change your mind:

http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=114130

Now that's evidence...

EDIT: I will freely admit that I lack experience with GNU/Linux as I only started using it in October 2013 but I think I know how Debian works by now.

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BLizgreat! · 2017-11-18 22:46:24

Nopers, not even wading through that, I'VE DONE IT, have no interest in what some Debian fanboi has to say about xyz gnu/Linux subject(s.) Though could very well be valid and pertenient info scattered through-out that thread. I already know, so have no need to read till eyes bleed having someone point out something to me ... I already know, possibly more about than they do, shrugs.

As stands to reason, they are either talking w/o having much experience themselves in actually doing it or did it and had bad experiences, very likely due to their own inexperience, lack of knowledge or Pebcak actions, then promptly concluded and said, hey this is horrible, nobody else should do this. EVER ... though people with more knowledge-skill and experience are bound to just shake their heads and keep on doing whatever works best for them and whatever they prefer.

Also no shortage of nixers who will regurgitate something they've seen others say on something too. They have NO real degree of knowledge or experience related to the subject matter themselves. What I like to call regurgitated-FUD. Anyway ... no insult/argument meant, am gonna shut-it on this. Topic of thread, browsers ( and while this is a related topic imo, also as person who started the dang thread.) It's kinda getting off track.

VlFF! Yep Viva la/Firefox !

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Head_on_a_Stick · 2017-11-18 23:29:16

BLizgreat! wrote:

they are either talking w/o having much experience themselves in actually doing it or did it and had bad experiences, very likely due to their own inexperience, lack of knowledge or Pebcak actions

That is certainly true of the victims in that thread but the regulars over at forums.debian.net tend to be highly skilled users even if they do get annoyed and flame you when you post babble over there

BLizgreat! · 2017-11-19 00:00:27

They don't flame me and when the few fudinista's have, they lived to regret it, not like I haven't learned how to handle myself in a flame war either. I post credible info, from revered sources and information I have extensive knowledge/experience with showing them to be the fools, they are. Mentioned one id10t systemd fudster says Linus Torvalds said xyz, I post the full quote and convo from him, in which he's actually saying, hey I like systemd and use it myself.

FUDster goes dratz, he quickly debunked my bs in 20secs or less AGAIN !!!! Dam him, he's the devil ! I asked Debian to close my account there and they won't do it. Haven't and won't be logging in on that forum again and actually think the reason they refuse is some forum software deletes all a users posts, if you delete that account, so it throws off whichever threads they've been participating in. Whereas other/better forum software, you can deactivate a user but it retains the post history. Reason I gave up on Debian forum, I don't want to interact with many of the trolls and fudinista's, self proclaimed gnu/Nix experts, which clearly have no idea what they're talking about etc types. Who tend to be very active on that forum. While are no doubt TONS of highly skilled/kickarse nixer's in that community too, shrugs.

ie: Recently requested close of a level 5 Linux Mint forum acct(as I had formerly closed a level 7 acct), was quickly granted and all my post history retained. Not going into why requested close there anyway. Not that anyone should have any reason to care and still think Linux Mint is kickbutt gnu/Nix.

Lol, PS, dang I need to slow caffeine intake, sorry Hoas, am stuck in taking things too seriously mode fellow nixer. Need to lighten up a bit eh. Funny, could actually post the link to the systemd-FUD thread, we both participated in it, am sure you likely recall. We were both pro-systemd, the FUDSTERS got their digital butts kicked in it too.

PS2 babble: Also not like I'm above fighting out right dirty in a flame-war, ie: You (and your momma) think window$ vista is the best operating system on the planet !

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MALsPa · 2017-11-19 01:06:39

BLizgreat! wrote:

I don't just type for practice or type outta my buttocks

You don't?

BLizgreat! · 2017-11-19 02:08:34

^LMAO, heya MALsPa, long time, no read/see fellow nixer. Hope you're doing well.

BLizgreat! · 2017-11-19 02:40:45

DAMMIT !!!!! One more, fully on-topic.

Often I don't like talking about the content of the last several posts, letting people know how easy it is to get xyz-version(s) of Firefox or whichever others, because some distro's use a branded browser to earn passive revenue to support the distro itself. So if I like the distro, try to bite my tongue due to that. Though all of this is easy enough to find/figure out for yourself anyway. Also for whatever reason like helping people and saving other nixers time learning whatever junk.

DEFINITELY like and support BL and could come a day when they have such an arrangement where they recieve some passive income from the browsers. Which hey, imo NOTHING wrong with that if so. The answer to this I think is simple, KEEP updated browsers in the dang repos !!!! Make the revenue features integrated into said branded browsers USEFUL to people and then they'll use em and goes without saying voluntary and non-intrusive. Then the users, properly informed will actually use it.

ie: Corenominal had such a branded browser in #!, though he screwed up the effort, didn't keep latest version in the #! repos and even went so far as to pin #! repos @ 1001. I'd long quit using #! when I figured out what was going on and yep, posted in the forums to let people know about it and how to fix it if they didn't like Core's choices on the matter. Many #!'ers were having all manner of odd problems upgrading iceweasel and finally got curious why such a simple thing was causing so much trouble. Installed Waldorf or whichever in virtual-machine and investigated the problem.

Note: A pin-priority of 1001 will actually DOWNGRADE packages, even if newer are available in other repositories in your sources.list. It was lazy and craptastic on his part and after much debate, decided to call him out on it in #!'s forum.

Sighs, more babble ... Same time if you create/maintain x-distro, then you get to decide what's what, how this or that is config'ed. Even kind of understood why, think Core got tired of people taking and downloading #! using his bandwidth, then promptly turning around, changing sources and turning #! into #!whatever. So he said hey, I'll show you people, WHAM repos and #! default packages are pinned @ 1001, how ya like me now ? This speculation was taken into consideration while debating saying anything about it. In the end decided it was still crappy and so went public on #!'s forum about it.

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BLizgreat! · 2017-11-19 03:30:04

Yep more, Oct 2013 ? Oh ... thought you came along many years after me, not the case, started 2011-ish here. Also jmo ... Ian Murdock, almost surely died still having much to learn about Debian gnu/Linux and he invented it. Not like gnu/Nix isn't a moving, ever changing platform and mind numbing in it's scope subject. Don't get too big for ye britches ya young whipper snapper. You are strong in the Nix, yet as do I, you still have much to learn about the POWER of da source.

HOAS, I am your father, cherrrrrrrrr, < supposed to be that noise D-Vader makes while breathing, lmao, ok ... well technically I'm not Hoas's father this is still funny, so leaving it posted.

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BLizgreat! · 2017-11-19 05:13:12

Also, I do definitely agree with the following part of Hoas's link.

Answer: This is a very risky thing to attempt, and is generally regarded as a bad idea for all but the most advanced Debian users.

Is nice to know that I'm one of "the most advanced Debian users" alive on this rock, lmao and yeah right, are ya kidding me ?!?!?! Sighs, anyway shutting it, as the topic is browerage, though branch/repo mixing and apt-pinning can in fact be utilized as regards this, also mentioned 3 easy ways to do this, which don't involve any such thing. Get it from Mozilla(directly downloaded from website, or via Archive) or use the repo's of another FULLY Debian stable compatible distro which is smart/considerate enough to keep latest Firefox available in it for the users.

Oops, afterthought babble or if you prefer running FF v12 go for it, makes ya happy, who is anyone to say your preferences are wrong, however my posts are for those who want latest Firefox and in this case it's not available via backports, even if you went with option d in my babble method list, getting a couple select package(s) + depends from unstable's branch will cause ZERO problems. You start dorking with MAJOR system packages, that's something else entirely. I've selectively installed packages from Debian's experimental repo's and had no issues out of it.
Also got some serious laughs skimming that thread Hoas linked to, one guy said "oh ... I went out and bought a used computer to try Sid out on", just in case it blows up my computer or kills my entire family while we sleep. Again are you friggin kidding me ?!?!?! It's fricken software, not a nuclear bomb you're handling. He must surely be another of those "most advanced Debian users."

Forum members like ^that, exactly the reason I quit participating in the Debian forum. I don't have time to read such mindless nonsense, shrugs or could've just put the forums ignore feature on red alert and started PLONK'ing such people like it was going out of style. Sadly think I'd end up with 1/4 of the Debian forum community on ignore.

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BLizgreat! · 2017-11-19 06:01:13

Though lookee over this too, almost none of these (if any of them) are even installed on my gnu/Nixiness OS's but here ya go. Even if they were ... installing or later removing firefox wouldn't be a problem anyway.

$ apt-cache rdepends firefox
firefox
Reverse Depends:
 |xul-ext-uppity
  hunspell-en-us
  xul-ext-tabmixplus
  xul-ext-tabmixplus
 |xul-ext-tabmixplus
 |lxqt-core
 |lxqt
 |libreoffice
  zotero-standalone
  xul-ext-zotero
  xul-ext-zotero
 |xul-ext-zotero
  xul-ext-y-u-no-validate
  xul-ext-y-u-no-validate
 |xul-ext-y-u-no-validate
  hunspell-eu
 |xsane
  xul-ext-webdeveloper
  xul-ext-webdeveloper
 |xul-ext-webdeveloper
  hunspell-uz
  xul-ext-useragentswitcher
 |xul-ext-useragentswitcher
  xul-ext-uppity
 |xul-ext-reloadevery
  xul-ext-ublock-origin
  xul-ext-ublock-origin
 |xul-ext-ublock-origin
  xul-ext-treestyletab
  xul-ext-treestyletab
 |xul-ext-treestyletab
  xul-ext-toggle-proxy
 |xul-ext-toggle-proxy
  task-xfce-desktop
  task-mate-desktop
  task-lxqt-desktop
  task-lxde-desktop
  task-kde-desktop
  task-gnome-desktop
  xul-ext-tabmixplus
  xul-ext-tabmixplus
 |xul-ext-tabmixplus
  xul-ext-stylish
  xul-ext-stylish
 |xul-ext-stylish
  xul-ext-status4evar
  xul-ext-status4evar
 |xul-ext-status4evar
  xul-ext-self-destructing-cookies
  xul-ext-self-destructing-cookies
 |xul-ext-self-destructing-cookies
  screenlets
  xul-ext-scrapbook
 |xul-ext-scrapbook
  xul-ext-scrapbook
  xul-ext-sage
 |xul-ext-sage
  xul-ext-sage
  xul-ext-requestpolicy
  xul-ext-requestpolicy
 |xul-ext-requestpolicy
  xul-ext-reloadevery
  xul-ext-reloadevery
 |xul-ext-pdf.js
  xul-ext-refcontrol
 |xul-ext-refcontrol
  xul-ext-pwdhash
 |xul-ext-pwdhash
  xul-ext-perspectives
  xul-ext-perspectives
 |xul-ext-perspectives
  xul-ext-personasplus
  xul-ext-personasplus
 |xul-ext-personasplus
  xul-ext-pdf.js
  xul-ext-pdf.js
 |xul-ext-lightbeam
  xul-ext-openinbrowser
  xul-ext-openinbrowser
 |xul-ext-openinbrowser
 |mozilla-nukeimage
 |nip2
 |xul-ext-mozvoikko
 |mozplugger
  xul-ext-password-editor
  xul-ext-password-editor
 |xul-ext-password-editor
  xul-ext-noscript
  xul-ext-noscript
 |xul-ext-noscript
  xul-ext-gnome-keyring
  xul-ext-gnome-keyring
 |xul-ext-gnome-keyring
  xul-ext-dom-inspector
  xul-ext-dom-inspector
 |xul-ext-dom-inspector
 |gnome-core
 |lxqt-core
 |lxqt
 |lxpanel
 |lxde-core
 |lxde
  xul-ext-livehttpheaders
 |xul-ext-livehttpheaders
  xul-ext-lightbeam
  xul-ext-lightbeam
 |xul-ext-itsalltext
 |libreoffice
 |libknopflerfish-osgi-java-doc
  jclic
  xul-ext-itsalltext
  xul-ext-itsalltext
  hunspell-bo
  hunspell-de-de
  hunspell-de-ch
  hunspell-de-at
  hunspell-gl-es
  hunspell-en-us
 |xul-ext-https-everywhere
 |webhttrack
  xul-ext-https-everywhere
  grcompiler
 |hoteldruid
  xul-ext-greasemonkey
  xul-ext-greasemonkey
 |xul-ext-greasemonkey
 |xul-ext-foxyproxy-standard
  gnome-do-plugins
 |garmin-plugin
  xul-ext-foxyproxy-standard
  xul-ext-foxyproxy-standard
 |xul-ext-form-history-control
  xul-ext-form-history-control
  xul-ext-form-history-control
 |xul-ext-firegestures
  xul-ext-flashgot
 |xul-ext-flashgot
  xul-ext-flashblock
 |xul-ext-flashblock
  xul-ext-flashblock
  xul-ext-firexpath
  xul-ext-firexpath
 |xul-ext-firexpath
  xul-ext-firetray
  xul-ext-firetray
 |xul-ext-firetray
  xul-ext-firegestures
  xul-ext-firegestures
 |xul-ext-kwallet5
  xul-ext-kwallet5
  xul-ext-kwallet5
 |xul-ext-firebug
  xul-ext-iceweasel-branding
  xul-ext-iceweasel-branding
 |xul-ext-iceweasel-branding
  xul-ext-firebug
  xul-ext-firebug
 |xul-ext-custom-tab-width
  xul-ext-downthemall
 |xul-ext-downthemall
  djview-plugin
 |djview-plugin
  xul-ext-debianbuttons
 |xul-ext-debianbuttons
  xul-ext-custom-tab-width
 |xul-ext-cookie-monster
  xul-ext-cookie-monster
  xul-ext-cookie-monster
 |xul-ext-classic-theme-restorer
 |conkeror
  xul-ext-classic-theme-restorer
  xul-ext-classic-theme-restorer
  xul-ext-certificatepatrol
 |cinnamon-desktop-environment
  chrome-gnome-shell
  chrome-gnome-shell
  xul-ext-certificatepatrol
 |xul-ext-certificatepatrol
 |xul-ext-autofill-forms
  xul-ext-automatic-save-folder
 |xul-ext-automatic-save-folder
  xul-ext-autofill-forms
  xul-ext-autofill-forms
 |xul-ext-all-in-one-sidebar
  xul-ext-all-in-one-sidebar
  xul-ext-all-in-one-sidebar
 |xul-ext-adblock-plus
  xul-ext-adblock-plus-element-hiding-helper
  xul-ext-adblock-plus-element-hiding-helper
 |xul-ext-adblock-plus-element-hiding-helper
  xul-ext-adblock-plus
  xul-ext-adblock-plus

Ok last babble tip or post for awhile, this can come in handy for this AND a lot of other situations to detect or avoid problems BEFORE you get into trouble. Use the -s flag, if you really want to be cautious, -s for simulate, it simulates installing/removing or upgrading/dist-upgrade'ing ... or whatever, without actually applying it. So if you'd added Lmde2's repo to sources.list ie: "sudo apt-get install -t betsy firefox -s".

Watch the output, what's going to be installed, what's to be removed, does apt or anything else complain of impending doom ? If all is well, then go ahead and run that command without the -s flag, to actually install Firefox to your OS.

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MALsPa · 2017-11-19 06:47:53

BLizgreat, I don't know, man, I keep Firefox ESR in Stable and BL, and Chromium in Arch and Antergos, but I mainly use Pale Moon these days, as noted earlier in the thread. I keep those browsers updated via the repos, except for Pale Moon, which I update from their site, via pminstaller.

I don't spend a lot of time worrying about any of this, though.

In the past, I'd get the latest Firefox directly from Mozilla instead of from the repos. And I've run outdated browsers here, in certain situations, like one time I had a Kubuntu installation (gawd, that was Kubuntu 6.06 -- seems like a lifetime ago!) on a computer that I couldn't keep updated anymore, and I ran outdated Firefox there, although not often. As Head_on_a_Stick noted, "The plural of anecdote is not evidence," but I haven't seen, in my personal experience, where any of this is such a huge issue. Maybe it comes down to what one does on the computer. I ponder that whole "Privacy is an Illusion" concept, sometimes. Anyway, to each their own.

BLizgreat! · 2017-11-19 06:57:11

^ PLONK ... kidding around MALsPa.

Any and all preference driven choices in gnu/Linux can't be wrong imo. If x-nixer prefers or likes whatever, they can't possibly be wrong, it's what they like. If x-nixer decided to format their /root partition as fat32 or ntfs, depending it'd probably still run better than a window$ OS and while I can't see any reason why anyone would ever want to do such a thing, they wouldn't be wrong, it's what they like. Shrugs ... reason for all this, getting to be painful babble is to share some FF or general gnu/Nix know-how with others. In this case ... particularly those among BL's community which don't want to be stuck with firefox-esr v 52.

Just making it very clear they don't HAVE to do that, if they want something else. Think did a 1/2 arse fairly decent job here, of condensing 7yrs of Mozilla gnu/Nixishness into a bunch of stupe forum posts too. Yay ! ... GO ME !!! Breaks arm patting self on back.

On second thought, nah, no point.
OK NOW WILL SHUT-IT !!! Arghhhh !

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MALsPa · 2017-11-19 08:20:41

Yeah, it's kinda entertaining at times, checking out all the "painful babble" and "ridiculous trash" that gets posted at Linux forums...

BLizgreat! wrote:

Just making it very clear they don't HAVE to do that, if they want something else.

Yeah -- to each their own, for sure.

BLizgreat! wrote:

7yrs of Mozilla gnu/Nixishness

Wow. A blink in time.

Anyway, not a bad thread, some good info in here. Lol, I've never "plonked" anyone; it's easy enough to ignore someone if I want to, or to simply turn off the computer and go do something more interesting, like trim my fingernails or take a walk in the park.

BLizgreat! · 2017-11-19 09:39:18

^ Ye speaky da wisdom MALsPa and thanks, we've actually spent A LOT of time together in various forums/communities over the years. Came to feel I somewhat know ya fellow nixer. Even though never seen ya face or heard voice etc. Odd the way you come to consider some people in gnu/Nix forums to be friends, never having met them.

The plonking thing, I hardly ever actually do it. Used to reserve it only for the worst offender types, dedicated help vamps, particularly virulent forum trollz, major league azzhatz etc. Though honestly am getting to where I'm uber intolerant of more and more types of nixers. Funny though yep, true scenario. Here's the setting xyz-gnu/Linux forum. I'll post some stupid thread expounding the virtues of WM's and advising hey, why not give it a try fellow nixers, here we go.

Random example Nixer: Person with a 10yr old join date and 1,000's upon 1,000's of posts in the forum says, hey thanks <my-user-name-there>, I bookmarked this, I'll try this sometime. Never tried a windows manager, this openbox thing or fluxbox deal of which ye speak sounds somewhat interesting.

Me: Ummmmm, yeah a bunch of WM's in gnu/Linux, can be some really cool stuff. If ya want definitely give some a try.

I don't want to be a cyber-ahole, so don't let on, noncommital and nice reply post to them but ... Now in my mind, am thinking FOR REAL, you've been using gnu/Linux for a damn decade and haven't tried a distro with a FRIGGIN WM !?!?! Are you fricken kidding me, then almost as if my mouse pointer has a mind of it's own, look down and see it edging towards the few clicks it'd take to put this person into PLONKville.

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Martin · 2017-11-19 09:47:59

Trying to restore FF ESR after having fooled around with v57 I fail to make ABP work. There is no block-list subscription and it is 'impossible' to subscribe to any list. Is ABP broken in the latest FF ESR?

/Martin

BLizgreat! · 2017-11-19 09:54:22

^ Yep ... probably Martin( in esr ? No it's not, someone else in the course of the thread noted they'd installed Quantum and it disabled their extensions in the default profile esr had been using, they also said they couldn't re-enable them afterwards either. Or may've been another thread, even in another forum for that matter.) Noscript hasn't made it over to Quantum yet either. I've come to consider Noscript a must have. Also due to changes some extensions will no longer be supported in newer FF versions period/EVER. The changes to the new FF will not allow them to be ported to it or won't allow them to be anything like as powerful as they used to be if they are.

Anyway, don't panic, follow the posts about profile manager, if you need to create a new profile for firefox-esr and reinstall or whatever your fave extensions. Did notice using firefox-esr's profile with Quantum disabled the noscript I had installed on it. Didn't care, it's easy enough to fix and I have v56.0.2 as my main FF browser that I use majority of the time, which does fully support noscript anyway. Also have v57 on the OS as well. Could run em all, at same time, side-by-side with no issues. CREATE a seperate mozilla profile for each of them to use. DO NOT have 3-12 diff versions of FF and have them all use the same profile and expect it to work out well for ya.

So as mentioned, you could upgrade to v56.0.2 in which ABP is no doubt still fully supported and keep the firefox-esr v52 installed too w/o any problems. Sheesh also go ahead and keep v57 as well, no harm in it. Just follow the posts about setting up a dedicated/seperate mozilla profile for each of them to use.

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Steve · 2017-11-19 10:06:50

On my arch machine adblock ultimate came over to quantum.

Some of the themes look really good too.

BLizgreat! · 2017-11-19 10:08:08

The keybind command or terminal command to launch them is different. ie: In run dialogue/terminal, rc.xml etc to launch esr thing "firefox-esr" will do it, to launch FF v57, just flatout "firefox" will do it. As noted use the dang -p "nameofprofile" in rc.xml, menu.xml etc to tell whichever version of FF, which mozilla profile it's supposed to use.

Also edit, note this is pretty much desktop and windows manager agnostic, meaning it'll work on any or all of them, Gnome/Kde, Lxde, Xfce, fluxbox, ratpoison-WM ya friggin name it. Each is gonna have it's slightly different way to setup custom keyboard shortcuts/keybinds though. Won't be rocket science getting it done in any of them.

Afterthought, though thought the newer versions of FF are supposed to be compatible with Chrome extensions, are ya telling me Chrome doesn't have adblock plus ? Haven't actually tried installing any such Chrome extensions yet to FF v57. Just a possibility to explore if ye so desire ABP on it.

Ah screw it, going to fire it up and see about it myself. BBL and VLL! On the other hand, do ya own googling, no offense intended .. see stuff like this. Just am not really interested in researching the how's of it atm.

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BLizgreat! · 2017-11-19 11:15:25

Yep more babble, o course was going to dork with the webextensions thing and installing Chrome extensions on FF v57, am sure it's totally doable, gave up on it for time being. Still have some random babble about a subject of interest for meself. No noscript !

The temp stand-in extension I installed for Quantum, errrr for lack of more eloquent words ... errrr SUKS. By default it automatically let's a webpage load javascripts, though it's one click to disable it, reloads and blocks them and the thing seems to remember if you've decided a site shouldn't be allowed to run them anymore, or another click on block to turn it from red=blocked to green=approved again.

There's another extension for Quantum that says it's like noscript + https everywhere and uses anon proxy servers provided by Google Inc of all people. To protect you from all imaginable web nasties and privacy invaders known to humankind. I don't want all that, I do want an easy to use extension that blocks javascript-etc on websites unless I give the ok for them.

I remember when FF had a simple check box in it's settings to enable/disable .js globally, though would be a pita. Also don't doubt could just search through about:config to find the config which does this. No doubt one of the things noscript does, just makes it more convenient to do it, shrugs. Typing this on Quantum anyway. Mentioned personally holding off on really messing with it much for a bit. Continues being no, noscript ... sheesh will roll up sleeves and figure out one or more easy work-arounds to doing what noscript does and still keeping it convenient etc.

Or at least that'll be the goal and is going onto the 2dork-list post haste.

PS, Watching cpu stats (top) and RAM with ps_mem, temp with lm-sensors, thing seems to be behaving itself well. BL forum is cleared for the crappy js blocker I've got installed. Though doubt BL team runs 332 javascript's to smash your cpu(s), as some other websites will. While briefly dorking with Quantum hit such a site and watch in horror as 40% of my dual-core got eaten alive by it. Noooooooooo !
Also to be fair it may've settled down had I watched it for a lil bit, though closed the dang site almost immediately and didn't give it/Quantum much of a chance to see how it'd behave.

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Martin · 2017-11-19 12:42:40

What about Vivaldi and privacy/safety?

/Martin

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