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#276 2017-12-27 10:12:48

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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

martix wrote:

...
There is one more thing with FF and google: There will be always a google (NID) cookie - which is basically a form of tracking. The option "Block dangerous and deceptive content" has to be unchecked to get rid of this cookie.

Checking

about:telemetry

is interesting.

+1, Yes, that used to be called "safe browsing" or something like that and it relies on accessing (and updating) a list prepared by Google so ...

And re. telemetry, someone suggested going through about:config and messing with most entries containing "http" or "https". I haven't done anything as yet in this regard but will look into it in the near future.


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#277 2017-12-29 01:31:48

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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

Didn't know about the about:telemetry thing, thanks Martix. Have long since taken to unchecking the boxes in FF settings mentioned anyway. Also dang it, Quantum just updated again, it's already v57.0.3 ! Still not overly impressed with the rapid release cycle but understand Mozilla was kind of pushed into it in ways and did expect there to be some bumps/bruises while they rolled out this multiprocess Firefox. Will have to check and see what this latest is supposed to address and hopefully some of it does apply to gnu/Linux users too. At least if it's something beneficial anyway. smile

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#278 2017-12-29 01:47:52

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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

BLizgreat! wrote:

..., it's already v57.0.3... Will have to check and see what this latest is supposed to address and hopefully some of it does apply to gnu/Linux users too. At least if it's something beneficial anyway. smile

Release notes for all versions here: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/releases/


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#279 2017-12-29 02:04:18

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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

^ Yeah ... thanks, looked it up too, ummmm, kinda underwhelming, was hoping for something impressive but hey, they fixed it, so all's well. smile

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#280 2018-01-05 21:25:29

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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

I should probably restart FF in order to install the latest update. big_smile

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#281 2018-01-08 19:51:32

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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

BLizgreat! wrote:

Didn't know about the about:telemetry thing, thanks Martix.

You're welcome. It's also good to check it in about:config (for those who like to disable it):

toolkit.telemetry.enabled - false
toolkit.telemetry.server - (blank) 

Edit: Btw there is also

about:networking

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#282 2018-01-11 23:03:44

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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

Thanks x2. smile Didn't know about that one either.

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#283 2018-01-22 15:55:37

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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

BLizgreat! wrote:

Thanks x2. smile Didn't know about that one either.

Yeah, those were new for me too. Recently I just found the ultimative line for Firefox:

about:about

Time for dorking, hehe! I think it's kind of hidden, e.g. about:profiles seems to be a good way to open easily a new profile in a new browser, but I'm not sure how many users actually know about this option.

Just try

about:mozilla

and

about:robots

Something else from wiki: "Google maintains the Safe Browsing Lookup API, which has a privacy drawback: "The URLs to be looked up are not hashed so the server knows which URLs the API users have looked up". ... Safe Browsing also stores a mandatory preferences cookie on the computer[10] which the US National Security Agency allegedly uses to identify individual computers for purposes of exploitation.[11]"  Well, safe browsing á lá g* turns out to be not so safe browsing....

When you think you've seen them all, there are always new ones in the linux world: Is anyone maybe using the Otter browser?

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#284 2018-01-22 16:39:05

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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

^Noice  smile Thanks!

I especially like warning on the about:network page:

This is very experimental. Do not use without adult supervision.

(on Palemoon ...)

Hilarious  big_smile  big_smile

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#285 2018-01-23 04:34:44

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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

about:about lmao, Mozilla may be getting a bit carried away. Oh well better more options than less I think. smile

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#286 2018-01-24 17:44:03

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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

I suppose I'll add my two cents to this discussion, for those who may be interested. I run a lot of older hardware, and as such, I am pretty keen on lightweight apps. Also very cool that Bunsen still maintains a 32 bit ISO, as many "light" distros have dropped 32 bit support. So the oldest hardware that I have run BunsenLabs on is my now ancient HP Pavilion XE783. Swapped it's original Celeron for a true Pentium III @ 700 Mhz and 512 MB RAM. Obviously, most of my cli apps work just fine on this machine, but graphical apps can be too much sometimes. One of the biggest problems with this box was finding a browser to work. Believe it or not, Firefox launched and ran fine, until you went basically anywhere. Modern sites would just bring the whole system to a grinding halt until FF would finally crash, which to it's credit, took a long time.

Trying to find a balance of light and usable proved very difficult. I found dillo works, but obviously you will be seeing your favorite websites "without their makeup on". Opera actually seems to work the best for me so far, as most of the lighter websites load up and look correct. You still aren't going to be able to go to any "heavy" sites, and some sites whose https methods aren't supported in Opera will simply be refused. I did not try Midori on this box, as my experience with Midori in the past have all been bad - basically it's very crashy-crashy.

Open to suggestions or any recommendations on hardware this old. Also, I should point out that this is not my main rig.


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#287 2018-01-24 18:11:09

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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

m1rr0r5h4d35 wrote:

Open to suggestions or any recommendations on hardware this old

links2 launched in "graphical" mode:

xlinks2

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#288 2018-01-24 20:49:16

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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

Anyone tried out DuckDuckGo's new toys already?

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#289 2018-02-25 17:06:49

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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

Just came across an interesting browser project called Poseidon.

For the Poseidon browser there is a .deb file here.

It works fine on #BĹ. Actually it was one of the best experiences I ever had with a lightweight browser.

It has a script and an ad blocker out-of-the-box and even a user agent changer.

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#290 2018-02-25 17:14:19

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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

martix wrote:

It works fine on #BĹ

It appears to be webkit-based and so should _not_ be used against untrusted sites, as per https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/ … r-security

Anyway, I bet it's not as light as links2 wink


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#291 2018-02-25 17:35:12

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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

I lately really like :
qutebrowser
Once you know the controls it's light and fast.


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#292 2018-02-25 17:43:30

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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

voids wrote:

And again: webkit-based so you will be wide open if you visit any dodgy sites.

Message from the BunsenLabs (and Debian) developers:

The only secure browsers are firefox and chromium.

_All_ of these "lightweight" browsers are webkit based and so should only be used with a bleeding-edge distribution (such as Arch Linux), they are _not_ suited to Debian stable based distributions.


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#293 2018-02-25 18:36:56

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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
voids wrote:

And again: webkit-based so you will be wide open if you visit any dodgy sites.

Message from the BunsenLabs (and Debian) developers:

The only secure browsers are firefox and chromium.

_All_ of these "lightweight" browsers are webkit based and so should only be used with a bleeding-edge distribution (such as Arch Linux), they are _not_ suited to Debian stable based distributions.

Thanks for the information.
I used it with a sid Debian, and I got hacked; might have been the entry point.
I shall be more careful in the future.


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#294 2018-02-26 13:59:45

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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

voids wrote:

I used it with a sid Debian, and I got hacked;

How did you find it out?

Often it's hard to notice if something happens in the background.

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#295 2018-02-26 21:01:30

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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

martix wrote:
voids wrote:

I used it with a sid Debian, and I got hacked;

How did you find it out?

Often it's hard to notice if something happens in the background.

First time it happens to me and he/she/they were not subtle about it, more like mocking me and breaking obvious stuff and laughing at my lack of skillz, which show since I still haven't managed to undo the most annoying stuff they changed and am really struggling to get the laptop back on its feet.
It was for some dumb lulz by some basement kiddie or bored agency cs i would wager.
Anyway my private stuff is secured on a bl desktop and this tablet suffices for my needs on the road so idc but still ft.


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#296 2018-02-26 22:37:21

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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

voids wrote:

mocking me and breaking obvious stuff

yikes

Please tell me you've wiped the laptop after that?

I would use a hardware reset for the drive, this will work for SSDs:

sudo blkdiscard /dev/sdX

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#297 2018-02-27 02:11:12

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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
voids wrote:

And again: webkit-based so you will be wide open if you visit any dodgy sites.

Message from the BunsenLabs (and Debian) developers:

The only secure browsers are firefox and chromium.

_All_ of these "lightweight" browsers are webkit based and so should only be used with a bleeding-edge distribution (such as Arch Linux), they are _not_ suited to Debian stable based distributions.

Isn't Safari (as found on the iPhone/iPad and on the Mac) also webkit based?


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#298 2018-02-27 07:36:27

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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

DeepDayze wrote:

Isn't Safari (as found on the iPhone/iPad and on the Mac) also webkit based?

I would think so, given that is was developed by the devil incarnate Apple.

Is that even available on Debian?

To clarify: as long as the platform is using the latest webkit libraries then those browsers should be "safe" but Debian stable ships outdated webkit versions and so should not be used.


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#299 2018-02-27 13:05:48

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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

voids wrote:

mocking me and breaking obvious stuff and laughing at my lack of skillz

Oh, and I've been thinking that's standard behavior of all linux based operating systems.

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#300 2018-02-27 17:47:54

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Re: Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

martix wrote:
voids wrote:

mocking me and breaking obvious stuff and laughing at my lack of skillz

Oh, and I've been thinking that's standard behavior of all linux based operating systems.

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