Your views/experiences with web browsers fellow nixers ? :)

BLizgreat! · 2017-12-01 02:11:57

^ Message received, general sign of courtesy and/or respect. Ya never know, things have gotten so politically correctized, someone might get offended if first letter in their name isn't capitalized, arghhh ! Lol ... or the grammar nazi's of the world too. Sheesh, sometimes it all makes we wanna grab my favorite teddy bear and curl up into a ball in the corner as well.

hhh · 2017-12-01 02:13:28

BLizgreat! wrote:

That being, yeah a lot of time/effort and it's a nixer's wet-dream to make a decent living dorking with gnu/Nix. Also tends to result in a better final distro me thinks because volunteering vs making a living, has to mean someone doesn't have as much time to focus on xyz-project either. Blahblahblah, just saying absolutely something to keep in mind and occasionally revisit imo. Also the old, those who fail to plan, plan to fail saying, shrugs.

My mom pressured me to monetize BL when I showed her what we had done, when she saw the website. I shrugged it off, I have a job and this was never a business project and our discussion of that among the Team has reinforced that. We've been planning, the reaction to our output will dictate our interest in continuing. The open-source market in a nutshell.

BLizgreat! · 2017-12-01 02:33:06

^ Don't blame her but still think it's premature for now and BL team has other stuff to focus on, still though, it's a realistic possibility, so why not keep it in mind, ya know ? Was mentioning at some point even starting ventures involving the better skilled techies in x-distro's community. They need/like money and have to make a living too, plus obviously like gnu/Linux and tech ... or the true nixers/geeks here, wouldn't be here in the first place.

Stuff like web-dev, security auditing/penn testing, remote support etc. There's too many tech-niche's, that have good profit potential to mention. While of course that involves everything any other business venture requires, admin, accounting, recruitment/HR, advertising and promotion, client aquisition etc etc blahblah. Still though if somebody is good at tech, given an opportunity to make good money doing something in a field they enjoy, shrugs.

Got plans myself for various junk, if can ever stop drinking and babbling long enough anyway. Still something I like to babble about, whether it be individually or collectively/group effort type of venture(s) .. whichever. Still has real possible potential in my view.

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BLizgreat! · 2017-12-01 02:38:22

Gotta do it, more #! babble. Also something which annoyed me about Core/#!. He had people lining up that would've stepped in and taken some of the load. Long time and qualified people, many of which volunteered to Mod or help and nope, Core would never let go of the reins. I can't really say he's wrong, started out a one nixer show, ended that way too. Though MANY contributed much to the community, peeps like you and too many to mention that made the #! forum what it was. Seen plenty of alternatives to how it could've gone but guy/Core decided to discontinue #! and that's just how it is.

End of dy, how many can say they did, what he did ? Not many me thinks, so he left a mark in da nixsand for sure, shrugs.

hhh · 2017-12-01 02:54:13

I can't comment on papanom, except to say that it was his project for a very long time, he created something special, and it was obviously a very personal choice for him to let it go.

Pretty cool what happened, though. The default Hydrogen desktop and applications are 99% Crunchbang, a completely conscious homage to core's #!. We have a different installer config, a better bl-welcome script, an adaptation of debian-alternatives, bl-alternatives, which is customized for our desktop (props, @johnraff), more pre-installed drivers and it has all newer packages. We have an almost spam-free forum with great members, and an effective website (props, @nobody).

We have HoaS! And we have Helium to look forward to. Not bad.

BLizgreat! · 2017-12-01 03:02:27

^+10 hhh, brings to mind the oldish thing about building starts with a good foundation. So yeppers, hoping BL has a long and bright future. Somebody has to preserve kickbutt Debian minimalism, keeping it alive and kicking ! Glad you guys in BL team present n future stepped into the void #! left. Have heard nature abhors a void.

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BLizgreat! · 2017-12-01 03:11:13

Oops, nother thought, sorry folks, dragging my own friggin thread OT, errrrr ... as usual. This isn't a Firefox dedicated thread by any means, know something cool about Chrome/ium, Opera any others ? Feel like sharing whatever, by all means fellow nixers.

hhh · 2017-12-01 03:50:26

I've been curious about the new FF, but ESR is really all I need on my laptop. I use Chrome on my phone for most browsing.

BLizgreat! · 2017-12-01 04:08:26

^ Yeppers was a stroke of genius on the part of Goog Inc, making Chrome default on Android, many people said hey, may as well install on my other form factors too, is a good browser and I want easy sync or blahblahblah. Will NEVER say the people behind Google Inc aren't imo fricken brilliant, in pretty much everything they do, from their techies to everyone else, 20+ BILLION/Yr. buys some very talented people eh.

Firefox current ? Atm don't really know myself, seems fine, ESP now that Noscript extension has made it over. Yep ... much tamed from brief dorking in terms of wasting my precious RAM/cpu(s). Think it's fine, think it'd be fine for majority untamed or tweaked. As repeatedly seen it stated out-of-box, it uses comparable or even less system resources than majority of users are used to seeing with any other browser(s.) So added security, multiprocess, faster, lighter than some others etc. Brief 1st-hand and research findings strongly suggest it's a step forward. Glad Mozilla finally started firing back in the browser wars. Long been rooting for them, long been longing for the gloves to come off. Long been hoping to see them do much they could've been doing (still aren't) to leverage and take full advantage of all the kickbutt browserage and skills they had/have.

Mozilla !!!! When da damn bell rings, I want you to come out SWINGING. Rip Chromes head off and <censored> down it's NECK !!!!

BLizgreat! · 2017-12-01 04:29:57

Pointless babble cont: Hey, at least it's browser related. Sadly kinda thinking, this may be a too little, too late, Firefox is dying situation. Though it'll always keep enough dedicated users to at least keep it on life-support or one or another fork(s) whichever hang on to whatever browser share. Hope not ... but it'll take a miracle to ever see Firefox regain the browser presence it had.

Chrome's already hit them with a virtual blitzkrieg and been steadily stomping all crap out of them for a long time. ie: Mentioned Android, same thing happened for a long time with window$, people kept using IE, even though it sucks forever, window$ came with a working browser, (ignorant/tarded)people felt no need to go looking for anything else. To this dy, it's still that way for window$, still has a respectable browser share due to this and other basic junk. So on mobile FF is fighting a battle that's probably already lost anyway.

They'll get some small niche out of it and considering mobile's supposed to be the wave of the future, long out selling more conventional form factors blahblahblah. It's obviously a serious thing for Mozilla. Imo. Again Google Inc, being the key developers of Android, have to have some serious advantages on the platform too. Again ... they are NOT stupid and will take advantage of opportunities surely.

Firefox on desktop, pretty much same thing, overrun, under-gunned and out-manned, outflanked, in da cross-fire and Goog Inc is continuing to close in on them. Mentioned the resources and motivations to continue developing and improving xyz-software, will have to dwindle along with the user-share too. Ya never know, Mozilla ended up taking a large chunk out of M$'s buttocks, who says they can't/won't do it again with Goog Inc. Though think they clearly need all the help and ally's they can get. Ahhhh, end stupid babble.

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hhh · 2017-12-01 04:58:29

I'm running FF57 from my home folder using my old profile folder now, the stuff is friggin' fast.

BLizgreat! · 2017-12-01 05:05:47

^Awesome, hope/know you'll be keeping an eye on it. It's always good to get impressions and observations by other nixers on stuff. Also, as babbled, long since taken to using a seperate profile for each instance of Firefox/IW-whichever. (Gawds, starting to get sick of my own babblings.) Gonna shut it for awhile and yay, grab some brew here in a bit !

Hmmmm, not browser related, should put this in suggestions me thinks. Does BL forum have a drunk emoticon yet ? If not please get a cool one, ASAP!

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hhh · 2017-12-01 05:09:48

Yes, we do. :monkey: <-- that's it

Head_on_a_Stick · 2017-12-01 20:04:05

I do not like FF v57, here is why:

301.6 MiB +  46.8 MiB = 348.5 MiB	firefox
619.3 MiB +  82.9 MiB = 702.3 MiB	Web Content (4)

Eight tabs open and e10s eating all the RAM it can find, great...

ESR FTW!

hhh · 2017-12-01 20:46:37

I wonder if it's an extension that's causing that, I haven't noticed any problems here yet.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2017-12-01 20:50:35

hhh wrote:

I wonder if it's an extension that's causing that

I'm not using any.

FF's new sandbox runs each tab as a separate instance now, just like Chrom{e,ium}.

hhh · 2017-12-01 20:52:50

What's your RAM usage with ESR and the same tabs open? It is slightly less for me with ESR, but the speed difference is dramatic.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2017-12-01 21:39:00

hhh wrote:

What's your RAM usage with ESR and the same tabs open?

I can't make a direct comparison because I'm using Arch (+GNOME) and that only has firefox-esr in the AUR (which means I would have to compile it locally)

I will compare www/firefox-esr and www/mozilla-firefox next time I'm booted in OpenBSD but there's no seccomp there [1] so it won't be exactly the same as a Linux system.

[1] OpenBSD has pledge(2) instead.

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Head_on_a_Stick · 2017-12-01 23:28:44

This is from my SharpBang live system (stretch base, liquorix kernel, firefox-esr):

190.7 MiB +  41.7 MiB = 232.4 MiB	x-www-browser
242.0 MiB +  36.0 MiB = 278.1 MiB	Web Content

Hmmm...

BLizgreat! · 2017-12-02 04:26:49

Ah I see I got here, just in time to babble, errrr well technically, not so much, having a bit of trouble typing and kinda wishing knew the monkey emoticon thingy. Atm not sure even what I was going to type but think it was going to be profound, not sure though.

Errrr, yes by all means try latest Firefox. Now if you'll excuse me gonna go puke, kidding already did that part earlier, so it's covered.

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