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#1 2017-02-28 08:18:59

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[DONE] RFT experimental beep-free Deuterium amd64 and i386 isos

A new iso:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7BNzo … sp=sharing
sha256: 55e9321348d46ba6128a31bd0a21e09d25bbb15609dbf2884be3499ba88f708a 
live-image-amd64-170227-stretch_build.hybrid.iso

Edit: i386 version:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7BNzo … sp=sharing
sha256: 5027c987c50fcb24767bb06cf7c8e3feb31512b1d4dd22f168977358541fa827
live-image-i386-170304-stretch_build.hybrid.iso

I think these no longer have the loud beep on bootup. @damo, you definitely had it with the last build - when you have a moment I wonder if you could confirm that it's now gone? Anyone else too of course.

Other changes:
A popup message window appears in the live session, but the message hasn't yet been written - this is just a proof-of-concept. (Size a bit too big?)

I've put together a bunsen-configs-live deb package that is baked into the iso and adjusts any configs we want, only in the live session - it doesn't go into the hard-disk install. Originally I was thinking this would be good for implementing a direct "install" option from the live session using debian-installer-launcher, but the more I look at that package the less appealing it seems. It is orphaned,  has many bugs and looks likely to be dropped from Stretch. What we can do is put some instructions in that popup about rebooting and choosing your install option from the boot menu. At the moment bunsen-configs-live modifies the user autostart, menu and tint2 files (no changes actually implemented so far except for that popup) but in principle it could change anything...

Also tried a little branding tweaking. Most noticably, the iso name is

Debian GNU/Linux 8.7 "Bunsen-hydrogen" - Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20170227-17:47

This will appear (commented out) in /etc/apt/sources.list, for example. I thought the previous "Official Snapshot" was wrong, considering it's not standard Debian, and "Jessie" is replaced by "Bunsen-hydrogen". The CD volume ID is now 'BUNSENLABS_HYDROGEN'. Does that all seem right?

Anyway, as before, any feedback is most welcome!

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#2 2017-02-28 12:53:43

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Looking forward to testing this, thanks!

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#3 2017-02-28 13:55:19

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Re: [DONE] RFT experimental beep-free Deuterium amd64 and i386 isos

Beep-free, and the popup placeholder appeared OK.

I still have an issue with Conky geometry  - I'm guessing it is due to my nvidia graphics stack though.

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#4 2017-03-01 03:06:20

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Re: [DONE] RFT experimental beep-free Deuterium amd64 and i386 isos

Nothing has been changed in the user config files, except for the message popup in openbox/autostart (only for live sessions). I guess the conky position issue is the graphics driver - I had a few pixels displacement once which was fixed by using the Nvidia driver, but don't ask me any more on this topic please!


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#5 2017-03-01 04:05:57

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BTW, the idea of having a notification that appears when the LIVE desktop boots explaining how to install it to disk is brilliant. big_smile

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#6 2017-03-03 21:06:13

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Posting from the test ISO in Live mode now on non-EFI hardware. I'm in a library, so thankfully there was no beep. The test window opened as expected. All hardware is working as expected on this box, meaning everything works except two-finger tap (fixable with a 50-synaptics.conf file). Awesome!

-edit- I hadn't seen the new bl-exit yet, that looks so cool!

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#7 2017-03-05 06:30:55

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Re: [DONE] RFT experimental beep-free Deuterium amd64 and i386 isos

i386 version

live-image-i386-170304-stretch_build.hybrid.iso
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7BNzo … sp=sharing
sha256: 5027c987c50fcb24767bb06cf7c8e3feb31512b1d4dd22f168977358541fa827 

Seems OK in a VM, and I'll install it in an old 32bit laptop soon.
Meanwhile, any bug reports welcome!


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#8 2017-03-10 19:50:12

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Re: [DONE] RFT experimental beep-free Deuterium amd64 and i386 isos

Posting from the 64bit Live session on an Inspiron 20. It booted fine in both Legacy and UEFI modes. No beep, conky looks normal, everything I can test seems fine. The boot screen in UEFI mode is themed the same as in Legacy (bunselabs w/ flame logo, grey on grey).

I don't see th ISO name in /etc/apt/sources, I assume that's because I haven't installed it. The sources in Live mode are all normal (jessie, jessie security, jessie updates, bunsenlabs).

Great job, @johnraff!

I'm going to reboot now and see if the installer will start in UEFI mode and then cancel the installation, it's not my computer to mess with. Assume that it started running fine if I don't post back. ;P

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#9 2017-03-16 15:00:10

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hhh wrote:

I'm going to reboot now and see if the installer will start in UEFI mode and then cancel the installation, it's not my computer to mess with. Assume that it started running fine if I don't post back. ;P

I didn't post back! big_smile

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I did 2 installs recently of the amd64 ISO. The first I didn't take notes on and immediately upgraded it to stretch. Nothing major to report (conky now needs argb=yes, I think). It should be easy for us to post a walk-through as stretch approaches its release. xfce4-volumed is removed in jessie, but that's an issue for another thread.

The second one I made some notes. lspci for my old ThinkPad...

00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Memory Controller Hub (rev 07)
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)
00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)
00:03.0 Communication controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset MEI Controller (rev 07)
00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82567LM Gigabit Network Connection (rev 03)
00:1a.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #4 (rev 03)
00:1a.1 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #5 (rev 03)
00:1a.2 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #6 (rev 03)
00:1a.7 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #2 (rev 03)
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port 1 (rev 03)
00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port 2 (rev 03)
00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port 4 (rev 03)
00:1c.4 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port 5 (rev 03)
00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 03)
00:1d.1 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 03)
00:1d.2 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 03)
00:1d.7 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #1 (rev 03)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev 93)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation ICH9M-E LPC Interface Controller (rev 03)
00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 82801IBM/IEM (ICH9M/ICH9M-E) 4 port SATA Controller [AHCI mode] (rev 03)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 03)
03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN [Shiloh] Network Connection
15:00.0 CardBus bridge: Ricoh Co Ltd RL5c476 II (rev ba)
15:00.1 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller (rev 04)
15:00.2 SD Host controller: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host Adapter (rev 21)
15:00.4 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C592 Memory Stick Bus Host Adapter (rev 11)
15:00.5 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd xD-Picture Card Controller (rev 11)

Standard install on this old box (no UEFI support needed). No beep, no issues, reboot.

bl-welcome... sudo apt-get uprade --with-new-packages ? I haven't seen that switch before...

       --with-new-pkgs
           Allow installing new packages when used in conjunction with upgrade. This is useful if the update of a installed package requires new dependencies to be
           installed. Instead of holding the package back upgrade will upgrade the package and install the new dependencies. Note that upgrade with this option will
           never remove packages, only allow adding new ones. Configuration Item: APT::Get::Upgrade-Allow-New.

Nice!

After the upgrade, I said no to everything... laptop-detection, bunsen-backports, jessie-backports, etc... The script plainly says that you can run it at anytime, and doing what I did gets you back to the desktop in just a few minutes (@Jessie at DistroWatch, nya!).

So, OOTB BL... I was on AC power, which means there's a nasty gap in the systray because fdpowermon has no icon for that. I've noticed this in many a scrot but never said anything. Will fdpowermon even recognize that icon if we include it, I wonder?

xfce4-power-manager-settings (and light-locker), the default 'laptop-lid closed>Suspend' setting  works as it should, the Lock Screen option does nothing. An upstream issue that we've discussed and hence our backports, so nothing else we can do, I guess.

bl-exit... this is worth some consideration, I think, and I hate it that @Xaos is M.I.A. It's lovely and I love the way it honors both light and dark themes, but what happened to keyboard shortcuts? Alt does nothing. There are tooltips, but that's not terribly intuitive. The icons are clear, sort of, they're open to some interpretation. Admittedly, a user will figure out how to end the session soon enough, but I thought it was worth mentioning.

A couple of minor menu points...

Mirage under Graphics, can we rename the menu entry to "Mirage Image Viewer" for clarity? If you install GIMP, Inkscape, etc... I'd expect you to know a bit about it, but Mirage comes OOTB, making the entry a bit cryptic IMO.

@damo, same with BLOB. I don't think the description you see when it opens is enough, that it saves various configuration settings. How is it different from just saving those settings via lxappearance, Obconf, etc...? I was thinking that a Help file for it under "Help & Resources" would be appropriate, and a mention of that in the description. What do you think?

Small points, all of them. Awesome job, @johnraff and everyone involved (the Team, cpoakes, tknomanzr, other Special Mentions that I'm forgetting, and the entire BL Forum community). It sure was nice to have only 3 packages upgraded after install! big_smile

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#10 2017-03-16 15:37:29

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@damo, same with BLOB. I don't think the description you see when it opens is enough, that it saves various configuration settings. How is it different from just saving those settings via lxappearance, Obconf, etc...? I was thinking that a Help file for it under "Help & Resources" would be appropriate, and a mention of that in the description. What do you think?

I don't see how the explanation could be much more explicit: "Save and Restore settings for ...."? There is also section about it in Introduction to the BunsenLabs Desktop BTW. How could a helpfile add much more information? Feedback from new users would be great here I think.

You can save all those settings manually of course, but BLOB does it all for you, and keeps each set available as a library of theme combos ("Theme Manager", not just a "Theme Saver"). And a screenshot to remind you what the desktop looks like with those configs cool


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#11 2017-03-16 19:14:14

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^OK, it's my first time playing with BLOB (yipes! the time has flown).

The description says "Save or restore settings", I didn't register the restore part. I should have actually fired it up, duh! Anyway, very cool!

I see "Exit dialog theme" as one of the settings. That must have been developed while I was MIA. I saved the default setup as "Default" but didn't see anything about it saving the exit-dialog setup.

I read "Forum Basic Help & Support" as help on how to use the forums, I wonder if it shouldn't read something different. Tossing ideas out, everyone, feel free to ignore or criticize.

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#12 2017-03-17 03:37:18

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^all good ideas @hhh and valid points. Many thanks for the feedback.

Can we look into all those details with Helium and get the Deuterium isos out, or do you think some of them need action now?


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#13 2017-03-17 03:52:53

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^ The bl-exit keyboard shortcuts, or lack of, has been mentioned before. Maybe it needs investigating sooner rather than later. Also, I dislike the full width dialog - it looks much better IMO if about 30% of the screen width.


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#14 2017-03-17 03:59:12

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^^ agrees with the above.. particularly the width.


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#15 2017-03-17 05:09:54

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damo wrote:

^ The bl-exit keyboard shortcuts, or lack of, has been mentioned before. Maybe it needs investigating sooner rather than later. Also, I dislike the full width dialog - it looks much better IMO if about 30% of the screen width.

Screenshot_2017-03-17_exit.th.png

(ATM the exit dialog is restricted to a minimum height of 100px)


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#16 2017-03-17 09:42:13

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@johnraff, rename Mirage in the menu and let's see what @damo can do with bl-exit. BLOB is his baby, any changes can wait till Helium.

I'd love it if Deuterium was released on April 29th, Helium's 1 year anniversary.

@damo, that looks much better. Another thing, maybe easier than shortcuts... Could left arrow bring the cursor from the Cancel icon to the farthest right Shutdown?

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#17 2017-03-20 19:33:31

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@damo, can you post your bl-exit config? I'm growing weary of the full-width one. smile

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hhh wrote:

@damo, can you post your bl-exit config? I'm growing weary of the full-width one. smile

It is super-simple - there are good instructions by @xaos52 in the script header comments. Edit '~/.config/bl-exitrc', and adjust the setting for whichever theme you are using (value in px).

# windowWidthAdjustment - subtract this value from monitor width to get window width
windowWidthAdjustment=620

Note that ATM the icons' size are fixed, so the window won't reduce below 100px height, and you can get some lovely strange overlapping effects if the width is too narrow  cool

(Note to devs - we should do something about that  ops )

You can add your own icons as well, as detailed in the comments.


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#19 2017-03-20 23:26:27

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Look at the script comments?!!? That's just crazy-talk!

Thanks for the hand-holding while I get up to speed, damo (and everyone). smile

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#20 2017-03-20 23:57:49

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Hi and great work JRaff!  Think I"ll try installing Deuterium on my netbook tonight...  Does this confirm though that Stretch for it's liveiso and netinstall iso's/installers will support uefi booting?


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#21 2017-03-21 00:10:29

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^These ISOs are built via stretch's live-build packages. Yes, stretch Live supports UEFI. I don't know the status of the netinstall images.

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damo wrote:
hhh wrote:

@damo, can you post your bl-exit config? I'm growing weary of the full-width one. smile

It is super-simple - there are good instructions by @xaos52 in the script header comments. Edit '~/.config/bl-exitrc', and adjust the setting for whichever theme you are using (value in px).

# windowWidthAdjustment - subtract this value from monitor width to get window width
windowWidthAdjustment=620

Thank you, sir! I was looking at the actual script in /bin, I forgot that we had configs in /etc/bl-exit now. I'm back to the classic theme for the time being so I can have my shortcuts.

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^ I meant the instructions were in bl-exitrc, as opposed to the actual script  monkey

EDIT: I made a new, small bl-exit theme here: https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic … 437#p47437

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damo wrote:

... there are good instructions by @xaos52 in the script header comments. Edit '~/.config/bl-exitrc', and adjust the setting for whichever theme you are using...

That should be ~/.config/bl-exit/bl-exitrc btw.
Do you think maybe we should put a copy of the default config dir in ~/.config/bl-exit (copied from /etc/bl-exit) OOTB? It would just be ignored if bl-exit (ie bunsen-utilities) wasn't installed.


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@hhh thanks for the careful review!

hhh wrote:

conky now needs argb=yes, I think.

What I thought. I don't know if that would have implications elsewhere though.

xfce4-volumed is removed in jessie, but that's an issue for another thread.

We don't use xfce4-volumed any more. Unless you want to bring it back for some reason?

I was on AC power, which means there's a nasty gap in the systray because fdpowermon has no icon for that. I've noticed this in many a scrot but never said anything. Will fdpowermon even recognize that icon if we include it, I wonder?

Good question. I was assuming that fdpowermon was simply not putting anything in the systray if there was no battery. You're saying that the battery icon disappears when the power cord is plugged in? We should try adding an icon to see what happens.

bl-exit... this is worth some consideration, I think, and I hate it that @Xaos is M.I.A.

Me too.

It's lovely and I love the way it honors both light and dark themes, but what happened to keyboard shortcuts?

Till Doctor Xaos returns, maybe someone who knows python could have a look?

Mirage under Graphics, can we rename the menu entry to "Mirage Image Viewer" for clarity? If you install GIMP, Inkscape, etc... I'd expect you to know a bit about it, but Mirage comes OOTB, making the entry a bit cryptic IMO.

The  "Graphics" submenu is made by bl-graphics-pipemenu. Menu names are generated automatically from package names, so that would mean coding in a special exception for Mirage - not impossible but... a bit messy. But, how often do people open an image viewer without passing it a file to open? That's why there's no top-level menu item for "Image Viewer".


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